The end is bad. So fucking bad
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Etrian Odyssey Community Thread: The Ongoing Adventures of Fight and Heal
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The end is bad. So fucking bad
I finished Classic Untold mode but haven't finished Story.
Is it even worth it? haha
I wouldn't consider it "worth it", but I did it for the sake of complexion. I didn't find it particularily awful, just rather forgettable.
(I wouldn't advise any newcomer to begin with Story mode though, as it completely ruins the best twist of the entire series.)
Ricky and Raquna are pretty neat addition to my Classic party at least.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
I finished Classic Untold mode but haven't finished Story.
Is it even worth it? haha
For moar Raquna oh yes. With jokes aside was having a good time with the story though had stopped since another title came along that i did an OT for i think?
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Screw Raquna
At least both of the Untold 2 girls seems to be awesome.
What did they fuck up, and why are there extra floors?
Ricky forever.
At least both of the Untold 2 girls seems to be awesome.
The end is bad. So fucking bad
What did they fuck up, and why are there extra floors?
E_Darkness
Member
At least both of the Untold 2 girls seems to be awesome.
I can get down with Chloe definitely, but I really hope the characters don't suck as much as Untold's did.
What did they fuck up, and why are there extra floors?
Basically, you
magic sacrifice power-up fight against the bonus boss
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Basically, you.magic sacrifice power-up fight against the bonus boss
Fuck Story mode.
Screw Raquna
Ricky forever.
Man, I thought you were cool.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Man, I thought you were cool.
I can't like Canada, Ohlawd is from there.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
How do you appear so fast when I mention you.
Ohlawd, Ohlawd, Ohlawd
Fuck Story mode.
Oh the bad guy is good in this one
Oh and we have to fight the post game boss.
And we get teleported to it
And a character sacrifices to weak it or make you stronger or whatever
And the fucking fight is the same thing as in the 5th stratum boss
And after you are done everyone is like yep we killed the boss, we have to go back to the library and you 2 have to go have kids or something, good bye!!!
and then the game goes like yeah you finished it, now we revive the character that died and you can actually explore the dungeon and do it properly now
Oh and we have to fight the post game boss.
And we get teleported to it
And a character sacrifices to weak it or make you stronger or whatever
And the fucking fight is the same thing as in the 5th stratum boss
And after you are done everyone is like yep we killed the boss, we have to go back to the library and you 2 have to go have kids or something, good bye!!!
and then the game goes like yeah you finished it, now we revive the character that died and you can actually explore the dungeon and do it properly now
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I love lawdy-chan, but I have too much fun teasing him.
gdi why?
Ohlawd, Ohlawd, Ohlawd
Oh the bad guy is good in this one
Oh and we have to fight the post game boss.
And we get teleported to it
And a character sacrifices to weak it or make you stronger or whatever
And the fucking fight is the same thing as in the 5th stratum boss
And after you are done everyone is like yep we killed the boss, we have to go back to the library and you 2 have to go have kids or something, good bye!!!
and then the game goes like yeah you finished it, now we revive the character that died and you can actually explore the dungeon and do it properly now
gdi why?
I love lawdy-chan, but I have too much fun teasing him.
gdi why?
becasue the game hyped up the "we have to kill the core or it will kill us all" thing, like they forgot that the core is post game. so they had to destroy the ending and put it back together somehow to make it work
its really stupid. They should have made it so they discover the "real" core is a thing in the post game, making players go "oh shit we actually have something important to do here"
its really stupid. They should have made it so they discover the "real" core is a thing in the post game, making players go "oh shit we actually have something important to do here"
Oh the bad guy is good in this one
To be fair,
he kind of was in the original game as well.
To be fair,he kind of was in the original game as well.
I would not have a problem with just that, its just.. everything in the ending, Its like they really didnt know how to finish the game imo
Also, the virus that visil gives you, I remember it had a different effects every time I tried it, like it took much more health from the boss one time and i could never figure out why
Also, the virus that visil gives you, I remember it had a different effects every time I tried it, like it took much more health from the boss one time and i could never figure out why
To be fair,he kind of was in the original game as well.
I like that in the original game the "heroes" are actually causing the fall of Etria with their actions. Then again, I don't know why couldn't Visil made them sign an NDA or something.
I would not have a problem with just that, its just.. everything in the ending, Its like they really didnt know how to finish the game imo
Also, the virus that visil gives you, I remember it had a different effects every time I tried it, like it took much more health from the boss one time and i could never figure out why
Oh, I agree.
It's just that this point wasn't really anything new, just that the execution was... unpleasant compared to the original.
I like that in the original game the "heroes" are actually causing the fall of Etria with their actions. Then again, I don't know why couldn't Visil made them sign an NDA or something.
Yep. It's part of why the first game's plot remains my favorite. So many things that go against your expectations, from what at first glance seems to be your classic fantasy setting dungeon crawler.
I like that in the original game the "heroes" are actually causing the fall of Etria with their actions. Then again, I don't know why couldn't Visil made them sign an NDA or something.
The "best" ending where you get 100% book completion is the saddest thing.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Lets play a game guys
How would you fix Untold story mode? Change whatever you need to change it to make it work, all 5 characters stay and you must keep the alternate dungeon, though you can change when you start exploring it
By patching it out of the game.
By patching it out of the game.
lol, I knew you would say that.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
lol, I knew you would say that.
because you know it's true.
Lets play a game guys
How would you fix Untold story mode?
Only fix under those conditions is to not have Ricky be a gunner stuck in cold sleep, but just another explorer in the team, maybe a friend of the trio, another Canadian, whatever. That way they're all in the dark until the twist and so is the player. But the best fix would be to have no indication of sci-fi at all until the reveal.
because you know it's true.
I dont dislike it....
I just dont want them to make it the main part of EO and forget about classic
Only fix under those conditions is to not have Ricky be a gunner stuck in cold sleep, but just another explorer in the team, maybe a friend of the trio, another Canadian, whatever. That way they're all in the dark until the twist and so is the player. But the best fix would be to have no indication of sci-fi at all until the reveal.
I think the reveal has 2 parts, first is the "there was an ancient civilization with advanced tech", kind of like in Skyward Sword. Then you get to the 5th stratum and realize you are in Japan.
There should be a way to make both reveals work, sadly Raquna being from Canada is a big hint (or a small nod for some I guess)
The whole Canada thing is stupid. Couldn't they have made it less obvious, like not use real place names.
I guess she's from Hokkaido in the JP version?
She's from Ontario in every version.
The Canada thing is LITERALLY the best thing about Story Mode in Untold. Full Stop. Not even how cool it is to have a Gunner in EO 1 comes close.
I guess it works if you dont know what an ontario is
SliceSabre
Banned
Senpai is harsh on poor story mode.By patching it out of the game.
As for the question stated I'd just make it so that character classes could be changed though that presents a lot of other problems as well I guess.
She's from Ontario in every version.
Huh, I wonder how she made it all the way to
Tokyo
I think the best possible solution to story mode is to make it Dynamic. Have five presets with full VA and an engrossing story and allow you to generate premades at will, and every one you replace for one of the pregens takes out their dialogue. So if you bond with one or two of them, great keep them around. If you want your five homies to do all the stomping and none of this nonsense, great, do that too.
I like that in the original game the "heroes" are actually causing the fall of Etria with their actions. Then again, I don't know why couldn't Visil made them sign an NDA or something.
Well, the game wants you to think that anyways. Considering what was discovered though, Etria is about to become the most technologically advanced city in the world.
Meh, I don't really have much to say about the story in Etrian Odyssey games, but the first's bothers me the most. The twist lost a lot of its appeal when I realized it required everyone to be really stupid. :/
Well, the game wants you to think that anyways. Considering what was discovered though, Etria is about to become the most technologically advanced city in the world.
Meh, I don't really have much to say about the story in Etrian Odyssey games, but the first's bothers me the most. The twist lost a lot of its appeal when I realized it required everyone to be really stupid. :/
Isn't the main point of the twist of the first game that
everyone who got below a certain level was killed anyways and you're just the baddest of the bad who finally unveiled the whole thing?
Meh, I don't really have much to say about the story in Etrian Odyssey games, but the first's bothers me the most. The twist lost a lot of its appeal when I realized it required everyone to be really stupid. :/
Uh, no, it only required everyone else to be less awesome than your guild, because
Ren and Tlachtga (or anything past them) killed everyone before you got there and emerged victorious
Uh, no, it only required everyone else to be less awesome than your guild, because.Ren and Tlachtga (or anything past them) killed everyone before you got there and emerged victorious
This is kind of a problem in all of the games except 4 though as you're supposedly heading into uncharted territory pretty quickly in 1-3 yet quests pop up almost immediately about a baker or something wanting something that they could never possibly know about from the new strata, or a long lost teammate or other junk.
Yeah, in that regard a lot of the quests in the first three games don't always make a lot of sense considering the drive of the main plot and setting.
However, I think they actually give a reason for what you're describing (or I'm just remembering something plausible that I made up myself lol), that being once your guild has cleared a floor, it becomes crawling with all the other less-awesome explorers following the trail you blazed.
However, I think they actually give a reason for what you're describing (or I'm just remembering something plausible that I made up myself lol), that being once your guild has cleared a floor, it becomes crawling with all the other less-awesome explorers following the trail you blazed.
Isn't the main point of the twist of the first game thateveryone who got below a certain level was killed anyways and you're just the baddest of the bad who finally unveiled the whole thing?
True, the reason you make it far enough is because you're the best to ever challenge the labyrinth. The problem I have is you were not always that good, and Visil would have had no problem keeping you from finding everything out if he just used his position in Etria to outlaw exploration of the labyrinth, and kill anyone who made it a few floors in. He would keep his secret, and have far less blood on his hands.
I don't really see any of the EO game's stories as anything special, and it isn't too big of a problem because after all, it's just a game and your party would have found a way around it anyways, but that and the whole thing with your party happily going along with Visil's order to kill the Forest Folk bother me.
I don't really see any of the EO game's stories as anything special, and it isn't too big of a problem because after all, it's just a game and your party would have found a way around it anyways, but that and the whole thing with your party happily going along with Visil's order to kill the Forest Folk bother me.
I thought it would be neat if some of the random encounters turned out to be other parties exploring the labyrinth. One could either trade with them, gather information or just let them go on their way. As these friendly encounters got more and more rare as the game goes on (and vanishing entirely at the end game) it would reinforce just how far into uncharted territory you've gotten by their absence.
True, the reason you make it far enough is because you're the best to ever challenge the labyrinth. The problem I have is you were not always that good, and Visil would have had no problem keeping you from finding everything out if he just used his position in Etria to outlaw exploration of the labyrinth, and kill anyone who made it a few floors in. He would keep his secret, and have far less blood on his hands.
The town only exists because of starry-eyed adventurers like yourself who explore the labyrinth and keep the economy going. When you beat the game the NPCs even lament the fact that now the town might die out.
The town only exists because of starry-eyed adventurers like yourself who explore the labyrinth and keep the economy going. When you beat the game the NPCs even lament the fact that now the town might die out.
I still don't understand why Visil, a man who would do anything to keep the past a secret, would value a town enough to try and keep it alive by allowing people a chance to get closer to the truth, but fair enough. Perhaps I'm thinking too much about an excuse for dungeon crawling.
Though the whole town dieing out after you beat the game shouldn't happen. There's gotta be plenty of things down in Shinjuku, outside that building we oddly decided not to explore, they can recreate and sell.
Though the whole town dieing out after you beat the game shouldn't happen. There's gotta be plenty of things down in Shinjuku, outside that building we oddly decided not to explore, they can recreate and sell.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
I thought it would be neat if some of the random encounters turned out to be other parties exploring the labyrinth. One could either trade with them, gather information or just let them go on their way. As these friendly encounters got more and more rare as the game goes on (and vanishing entirely at the end game) it would reinforce just how far into uncharted territory you've gotten by their absence.
or it can be terrible like elminage and high lv wandering parties stomp you lol
SatelliteOfLove
Member
or it can be terrible like elminage and high lv wandering parties stomp you lol
^^^
Words of truth
Heavenbringer brought me to heaven.
I imagine you saw the light
thanks to Holy Chest
They could build airships and start conquering the world...
You really want that connection to IV, huh?
Winnie the Pimp
Member
So i FINALLY beat Hollow Queen. Now i unlocked Arcanist class, however i am unsure whether the best course of action is to retire or rest my Medic who i want to replace/transform with an Arcanist? Resting gives me the same character with a different class, and all skillpoints available to that point minus 2 levels of the original one correct?
Retiring gives you a level 15 char. with some bonus stats? Not sure how hard it is to re-grind him up to par with the rest of the team who will then be even higher again hmmm or whether it's even necessary to do it this way if i just wanna clear the regular story mode?
Retiring gives you a level 15 char. with some bonus stats? Not sure how hard it is to re-grind him up to par with the rest of the team who will then be even higher again hmmm or whether it's even necessary to do it this way if i just wanna clear the regular story mode?
Barrylocke
Member
At least it's not a terribly difficult connection to make on a surface level. But I haven't played 4, so I don't know how easily that actually pans out.You really want that connection to IV, huh?