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Etrian Odyssey IV: Legends of the Titan |OT|: Fight & Heal Brings 3D To Europe!
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Added some reviews and QR codes to the OP (got in a little later than I thought I would last night), not sure of some of the quest requirements I added though. Again, feel free to quote this post or PM me with details that you would like me to add. Probably a few QR codes here and there I haven't added, but I should be able to get around to them today.
I think nightseeker is right out when you realize that the double skill thing isn't 100% damage. I think it might be based on your dual wield level so even maxed the 2nd hit is only doing 50% damage 41% of the time.
Bushi and Runemaster are more debateable. I personally think Bushi is the way to go but runemaster is capable of higher damage if the thing you are fighting has a large elemental weakness to begin with. You'll also have access to higher TP, and the protection of the runes if you don't already have a runemaster. But Unless you are willing to rest to change your skills around for each boss maxing the elemental skills takes 28 points as apposed to accel's 8 points.
The reason I like the bushi subclass is because I just ignore the elemental drives and go for all accel all the time. 900% untyped damage works on all things and the bushi's blood surge + charge makes for a small setup into huge multipliers. Blood surge also lasts the entire battle so you don't need to keep reapplying it.
Auto surge also helps with TP management in normal dungeon crawling because if it triggers at the start of battle my imperial takes the fight off to take a a deep breath and regain his TP. Between deep breath and impulse edge my imperial has basically infinite TP.
Thanks for the tips! Though the reason I thought of Nightseeker sub was to increase cooldown and use Ignition sooner. But then, you have point there. Dual-wielding would leave the Imperial with low def. I then thought of Runemaster since I realized it can help boost the Imperial Drives. But right now, Im planning to put back a Runemaster into my party so Elemental damage will be covered. Guess I'll also stick to my original plan of Imperial/Bushi.
Imperial/Nightseeker is basically there because someone wants Nightseeker/Imperial but wants to use the Imperial portraits. The short of it is that /Runemaster gets you safer Damage, /Bushi gets you more damage with a risk to it.
Pureauthor
Member
As promised, maxing out my Arcanist's Healing March really did the trick and let me bench my Medic. So, my party setup becomes LFN/RA. The Fortress' Auto-Taunt/Cover and Lankskamp's Sword Breaker helps take some of the damage off my squishy dual-weilding Nightseeker. That means I've got two good sources of elemental damage between regular rune attacks and Link Mastery which seems to be sufficient for now.
But the Arcanist is unbelievable; when Poison Zone lands, it hits for 300HP per round, the Nightseeker gets a massive damage boost and the whole party gets a big chunk of healing per round even if the zone doesn't land, or I can cancel the zone anytime for an even bigger chunk of healing. And Poison Zone lands an awful lot of the time against the random stuff wandering the third maze.
Can't wait until I finally get around to unlocking subclasses for the 5 skill point bonus if nothing else.
But the Arcanist is unbelievable; when Poison Zone lands, it hits for 300HP per round, the Nightseeker gets a massive damage boost and the whole party gets a big chunk of healing per round even if the zone doesn't land, or I can cancel the zone anytime for an even bigger chunk of healing. And Poison Zone lands an awful lot of the time against the random stuff wandering the third maze.
Can't wait until I finally get around to unlocking subclasses for the 5 skill point bonus if nothing else.
My NS landed venom for the first time yesterday, it hit for 700 hp. Venom is so effective in this game..
Everyone aboard the Arcanist+Nightseeker train, choo choo.
Just so you know, you don't have to dual wield to use the double skill Nightseeker skill.
Just so you know, you don't have to dual wield to use the double skill Nightseeker skill.
How are people with arcanists/nightseekers spreading their skill points? I thought about it but ended up going arcanist/runemaster just to have someone with 1 point in the runes for defense. But I find I don't have enough skill points just to get everything I want in the arcanist tree let alone spend any on a subclass.
oh, you probably mean having 1 of each in the party. well nevermind.
The main downside is that the Nightseeker is sometimes waiting around for status effects to take hold, especially against FOEs/bosses. But Dual Weilding means it can contribute more elemental Link Mastery hits so those turns aren't wasted while the Zone does its work.
Clockwork5
Member
Giant Bomb has a Quick Look posted of EO4. Not a bad video, Patrick seems to enjoy the game even though he is new to the series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsX6BPPuBNw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsX6BPPuBNw
Really? my read from watching it was that he thought it was awful and grindy (take a drink every time Patrick says grind... if you want to die) but was trying his best to not be really negative about it.
Basileus777
Member
I don't think he thinks it's awful. It came across as him having preconceptions about the game and just repeating them ad-nauseum to Vinny because he hadn't played enough of the game to have a better feel for it.
Yeah, I don't think he gets the game flow yet. There isn't so much the need to grind in the game unless you are anal about getting every drop and buying every item along the way or trying to get to level X before you move on. Just making treks into the dungeon and exploring them, fighting the monsters along the way, challenging FOEs when you are able to, fulfilling quests and missions -- these are basically enough to go by that money, exp, and loot will be sufficient. Grinding in this game is especially subject to diminishing returns.
That and the "best" way to be grinding is outside the realm of just "fighting a lot." Sitting there just fighting regular enemies over and over is the least efficient way to go about it, honestly.
Something that people do need to be aware of for these things: Nightseeker Poison, by virtue of being a later skill (tree-wise), is superior to Arcanist Poison for damage. On top of that, Nightseeker's skills have a higher base chance of landing than Arcanist ones (though Arcanist has the flat increase that is applied after Resistances).
The same applies to Sniper Binds, for the record.
I kind of miss my Nightseeker starting a fight with Auto-Spread right into an all-target Poison (or Sleep or whatever). Random encounters were so much fun :x
UncleSporky
Member
What do you guys think of the viability of this:
Fortress/Dancer tossing up Chase Samba, Bushi/Nightseeker getting two normal attacks in to raise their TP and HP while raging, and Landsknecht/Runemaster in the typical chaser setup with his elements buffed. I don't know about the back row besides Arcanist/Medic.
How well will that work? Pretty bad, or has a shot at end game stuff?
Fortress/Dancer tossing up Chase Samba, Bushi/Nightseeker getting two normal attacks in to raise their TP and HP while raging, and Landsknecht/Runemaster in the typical chaser setup with his elements buffed. I don't know about the back row besides Arcanist/Medic.
How well will that work? Pretty bad, or has a shot at end game stuff?
Off-hand, Chase Samba doesn't trigger Links. The same for Trick Samba. I'd have to double-check though, I dropped Trick Samba from my buff rotation on the Dancer so it's been awhile.
Just my assessment from running the Nightseeker + Arcanist all game (and now Arcanist + Sniper and testing binds). Similar LUC levels (actually, less on the Sniper and no Affliction bonus) has her just being more consistent on landing them. The same for the Nightseeker.
Nightseeker is a really fun class, honestly. I had both Auto skills and he'd spend most fights with auto-invuln and AoE status effect chance (that lasts more than one turn due to it being Auto'd). Status Mastery along with the Nightseeker passive has him pushing really extreme damage. Shadow Bite has an extremely high multiplier (nearing 1300% on an afflicted target, I believe, though counting the Class Passive is cheating I guess) and the multi-hit skill that I just forgot the name of is a nice "neutral" skill to have when you can't get a status going.
It's really just nice seeing that Status Effects are usable, really.
UncleSporky
Member
Yeah, as things get more resistance, Arcanist becomes the better one. On a neutral, or relatively neutral, target the Nightseeker/Sniper skills have the better base chance.
It's not a thorough testing by any means, though. And it's probably only 10% or so of a base difference most likely.
It's not a thorough testing by any means, though. And it's probably only 10% or so of a base difference most likely.
CornBurrito
Member
Subclassing sounds complicated. Do I have to do it or can I have my characters remain pure?\
Also for my class setup I'm thinking:
Bushi, Fort, Dancer: front line
Runemaster + Sniper/Nightseeker: back line
thoughts?
Also for my class setup I'm thinking:
Bushi, Fort, Dancer: front line
Runemaster + Sniper/Nightseeker: back line
thoughts?
You don't have to subclass, but it's 5 free skill points that you can spend on either class. So there's no harm in using it.
You don't "have" to use it but ... there's really no reason not to. It's pretty simple. Select a class as your subclass and you get access to their skill-tree (sans their Class Passive, the Proficiency line) with half of the points possible (e.g., a skill that goes to 8 can only take 4 points if it's subbed) as well as a free +5 Skill Points to use however you want.
The difficulty of subclassing is just figuring out what skills are really, really good and benefit a your main class really well. For instance, an Elemental Landsknecht benefits greatly from subclassing Runemaster for the passive skills that give +Elemental Damage and +Damage when hitting a weakness.
Just to note, you don't start the game with access to Bushi so it'll be awhile before you have one.
Besides that, you'll most likely want a Sniper, not a Nightseeker, for the backrow. Nightseeker is a melee class. The only thing they can do from the back would be their throws and that's not really that good of a use for them, honestly.
CornBurrito
Member
They can, and I'm going to try right now but I believe knives are considered ranged. brb, testing now.
Edit: Nope, the throws are considered ranged, the knife still does half damage. Wonder why the game says that they are suitable for either line.
Well, they can attack from back there for a penalty. Just that the penalty really hurts!
I just remembered Dark Hunters in EO1/EO2 were considered both lane specialists despite having absolutely no back-row friendly abilities ;__;
Worth noting that the Throws are ranged so you can hit the enemy back-row so there's that.
Dandy Crocodile
Member
My copy had plastic on the outer box as well as the game case itself.
Goood, gooooooood. Thanks!
Ace Harding
Member
Am I going to be able to re-spec my skill points later in the game? I'm trying to pick skills I think could be useful, but its had to tell so early in the game. I'm probably spreading them out too much also. Should I not really worry about it and just go with what I think would be good? Throw all my points into one or two skills early on or spread them around to experiment with different skills?
You can respec at any point in the game at the cost of 2 levels, go to the Explorers Guild and choose Organize > Rest.
Read the skills and think a early party setup that covers the basics: Heals, Elemental Damage and whatever else you want. You'll be fine.
Edit: Also, as soon as you hit 20 you get acces to the next tier spells, and you don't need to spend all your points before getting a new spell from the next tier so you can save some points if you want. I didn't save any though, just used rest as soon as I hit 30 (half way the 2nd tier) and 42 (for the third tier)
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
You can re-spec your characters at the cost of 2 levels, which is nearly free. You have to rest to do so, which is an option available with the guy that let's you create characters.
leatherhat
Member
Would you guys say this is a big enough step up from 3 to buy a 3ds for? Or should I just get 3 on my ds?
Just go with whatever, you can reset your skills at the cost of 2 levels at anytime. Go to Organize > Rest in the Guild in Town.
What I did was once everyone got to level 22, I rested everyone to so that I could applies my points to tier to skills.
You can also try waiting until you get to subclassing unlocked (which is fairly early on in the 3rd Land) before resetting so you can try out putting more points into whatever subclass.
I don't think any one game is worth buying a console for but 4 seems 'better' in most ways. There are a few things I don't like but it's hardly game changing stuff.
Though if it's a matter of spending $30 vs $210, just go with 3.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
3 and 4 are amazing, but I'd just jump to 4. Every game improves a lot
I wouldn't buy a 3ds just for 4, but that's just me wanting more than one game to pick a console. Then again there are so many games for the 3DS that you may as well pick it up and get EO and some other games later, like FE or KI:U
Sea faring was waaaay cooler than that balloon thingy
at least based on the demo
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I played 3 for easily 100+ hours and never liked Sea faring, while I like how they implemented Flying in 4
They do some cool stuff with FOE manipulation in 4 with the airship/food later on. 3's sea fairing was basically a highly prescribed path with a thin veneer of freedom.
I'm not a fan how of the how levels are basically airship lands with pockets of dungeons vs a set of 4/5 floors but I'd prefer the airship stuff over discovering new dungeons via 3's ship stuff.
Sea faring is basically a navigation puzzle that leads to a boss fight, which is okay.
Overworld exploration with the balloon lets you find mini explorable mazes, complete FOEs and quests that make use of them. It's probably what they'd intended for EOIII if the DS had more memory to fit them.
While I get how the flying mechanic is better, I don't enjoy it as much as sea faring, the puzzle aspect was the best part about it. I guess it's because is different now and is not optional, the sea was a place I could go explore when I was tired of the laberynth and it was always fun. Fishing was never cost effective to me though =(