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[Eurogamer] Employees at FromSoftware owner Kadokawa reportedly "thrilled" about possible Sony takeover; UPDATE: Sony confirms acquisition interest.

And? You say as PS4 was a cheap machine for 2015.

You are not doing your argument any favors sir.


lmao. Elden Ring on PS5 runs better than Elden Ring on PS4.

You must be mistaking Elden Ring PS5 using PS4 BC.
I'm saying the game was benefitting from only having to run on one machine vs having to run on multiple that were lower performing in comparison to the ps4. Nothing controversial here I assume.

And yes, the PS4 version of Elden ring was running at 60 fps pretty much all the time, while the PS5 version of the game had way worse performance. But those are separate topics.
 
No. You mean that the PS5 version of Elden Ring runs worse on PS5 than the PS4 version of Elden Ring runs on PS5.

Elden Ring on PS4 runs straight up worse than any version on PS5.
Correct, I misspoke. Indeed I meant to say the backwards compatibility of the PS4 version ran better than the native PS5 version.
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I'm saying the game was benefitting from only having to run on one machine vs having to run on multiple that were lower performing in comparison to the ps4. Nothing controversial here I assume.
But that's false. The PS4 version runs better on PS5 because the PS5 is far more powerful than the PS4 the game is meant for.

So what are you arguing here? Bloodborne and Demon's Souls are both exclusives and neither runs any better than other multiplat games.
 
But that's false. The PS4 version runs better on PS5 because the PS5 is far more powerful than the PS4 the game is meant for.

So what are you arguing here? Bloodborne and Demon's Souls are both exclusives and neither runs any better than other multiplat games.
I was arguing your point on the From Software jank... It comes with their engine, regardless of the game being exclusive or multiplat. It obviously makes things harder the more hardware the game releases. I think that's kind of inarguable really. Releasing on 1 platform allows all the resources to focus on optimizing to the best of their ability to that platform. The more platforms you release, the less optimization you can achieve with the same resources.

1+1=2
 

Roronoa Zoro

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Funny dynamic as I'm usually against buyouts especially with the manga stuff being controlled by Sony even moreso yet this seems so much more organic and NOT Sony trying to Hoover up IP. Hell if Miyazaki leaves the gaming IP don't really have any value by themselves
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I was arguing your point on the From Software jank... It comes with their engine, regardless of the game being exclusive or multiplat. It obviously makes things harder the more hardware the game releases. I think that's kind of inarguable really. Releasing on 1 platform allows all the resources to focus on optimizing to the best of their ability to that platform. The more platforms you release, the less optimization you can achieve with the same resources.
Yet Bloodborne is arguably the worst performing game of the series. From doesn't bother optimizing whether it's single or multiplat, so them going exclusive won't suddenly make their games perform better.
 

Guilty_AI

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It obviously makes things harder the more hardware the game releases. I think that's kind of inarguable really. Releasing on 1 platform allows all the resources to focus on optimizing to the best of their ability to that platform. The more platforms you release, the less optimization you can achieve with the same resources.

1+1=2
That's usually the case only if the game uses top-of-the-shelf tech that requires specialized hardware or custom engines designed for a specific platform. Not exactly a thing with From games.
 
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Funny dynamic as I'm usually against buyouts especially with the manga stuff being controlled by Sony even moreso yet this seems so much more organic and NOT Sony trying to Hoover up IP. Hell if Miyazaki leaves the gaming IP don't really have any value by themselves

Yea but what why would Miyazaiki leave? He's already worked with Sony multiple times so he's clearly ok working with them. In fact he said Bloodborne was his favorite game because he got to do what he wanted to.

I don't want this buyout to happen but seems like Kadokawa is looking to be purchased so if someone has to buy them I prefer Sony do it.
 
Yet Bloodborne is arguably the worst performing game of the series. From doesn't bother optimizing whether it's single or multiplat, so them going exclusive won't suddenly make their games perform better.
lol... sure... you must have not played dark souls on PC... and I'm including the "prepare to die" edition in the mix, not even the baseline :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Just stick to the point, I'm not seeing any demonstration as to why the game being exclusive makes it worse than being multiplatform. I can see the advantages I pointed out thought.
 
Edmynion said Sony Japan is winning the war against woke Sony too
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That's usually the case only if the game uses top-of-the-shelf tech that requires specialized hardware or custom engines designed for a specific platform. Not exactly a thing with From games.
All games require levels of optimization and compromises depending on the platforms they are releasing on. We've had plenty of recent examples with Black Myth Wukong and BG3 being so compromised that they completely skipped an entire platform due to hardware limitations.
Obviously only having to build a game for 1 piece of hardware will make the job easier and faster.
 

Gaiff

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lol... sure... you must have not played dark souls on PC... and I'm including the "prepare to die" edition in the mix, not even the baseline :messenger_tears_of_joy:
I have and it changes nothing to the point you're making.

Just stick to the point, I'm not seeing any demonstration as to why the game being exclusive makes it worse than being multiplatform. I can see the advantages I pointed out thought.
I said it wouldn't benefit us and it won't. From is doing just fine without Sony, so what will Sony buying them out do for us exactly? The advantages you spoke of have never happened.
 
I said it wouldn't benefit us and it won't. From is doing just fine without Sony, so what will Sony buying them out do for us exactly? The advantages you spoke of have never happened.

Bluepoint is technically far ahead of FromSoftware. Their assistance as a support studio would make a technically much more proficient game than From can make on their own.

Nixxes makes far more polished PC ports than FromSoftware. Their assistance porting games to PC would mean significantly better games on PC, even if they aren't day 1.

These are advantages of Sony buying Kadokawa.
 
I have and it changes nothing to the point you're making.


I said it wouldn't benefit us and it won't. From is doing just fine without Sony, so what will Sony buying them out do for us exactly? The advantages you spoke of have never happened.
Why should it "do" something for "us". Neither you nor me are the ones buying the asset. It won't hurt me in any way and I can see a path that even improves the cadence of their output, which is all I care about really.
 

Three

Gold Member
But that's false. The PS4 version runs better on PS5 because the PS5 is far more powerful than the PS4 the game is meant for.

So what are you arguing here? Bloodborne and Demon's Souls are both exclusives and neither runs any better than other multiplat games.
In fairness I think Bloodborne was far more polished on PS4 than Elden Ring is.
1080p 30fps was a good target for base PS4. Some other games from that era were running near 720p and still dropping frames.
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Why should it "do" something for "us"
Because we're the ones buying the product?
Neither you nor me are the ones buying the asset. It won't hurt me in any way and I can see a path that even improves the cadence of their output, which is all I care about really.
At the expense of removing those releases from other platforms or delaying them. Great.

Bluepoint is technically far ahead of FromSoftware. Their assistance as a support studio would make a technically much more proficient game than From can make on their own.

Nixxes makes far more polished PC ports than FromSoftware. Their assistance porting games to PC would mean significantly better games on PC, even if they aren't day 1.

These are advantages of Sony buying Kadokawa.
So they'll be treated just like any Sony exclusive. The cons far outweigh the pros in this scenario.
 
Because we're the ones buying the product?

At the expense of removing those releases from other platforms or delaying them. Great.


So they'll be treated just like any Sony exclusive. The cons far outweigh the pros in this scenario.
1- We're still buying their product just the same, so what's the point?
2- What the fuck do I care about other platforms? I buy the game where the game is. Are we taking a moral stand against exclusives now?
3- Meaning a polished product with high production value? Oh man, the humanity... :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
For whom?
For PC gamers, those you just tried selling the pros to.

1- We're still buying their product just the same, so what's the point?
You asked why does it matter. It matters because we're the consumers.
2- What the fuck do I care about other platforms? I buy the game where the game is. Are we taking a moral stand against exclusives now?
When said exclusives were multiplat and you have a big corporation buying them off and removing them from other platforms, you fucking bet we are.
3- Meaning a polished product with high production value? Oh man, the humanity... :messenger_tears_of_joy:
Yeah, Demon's Souls and Bloodborne were totally polished with high production values...not. You're going in circles.
 

Calverz

Member
I have and it changes nothing to the point you're making.


I said it wouldn't benefit us and it won't. From is doing just fine without Sony, so what will Sony buying them out do for us exactly? The advantages you spoke of have never happened.
People here just have a hard on at the thought that future souls games will be locked to PlayStation hardware. Thats the advantage. But they won’t admit that and will attempt mental gymnastics to say otherwise. It’s quite entertaining 😂
 

Guilty_AI

Member
All games require levels of optimization and compromises depending on the platforms they are releasing on. We've had plenty of recent examples with Black Myth Wukong and BG3 being so compromised that they completely skipped an entire platform due to hardware limitations.
You're talking about the Series S though, which is a platform with very clear lower capabilities. Completely different from a situation like ps5 vs equivalent pc hardware.
 
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Gaiff

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I didn't say those are the Pros for you. I said those are the Pros.
And I said the cons far outweigh the pros, so if it's still a net negative, we don't benefit much, do we? So amazing that we'll get 1-2 years late ports of games we used to get day 1.
Sorry Gaiff, but it was like 100% obvious that he meant more Japanese games within Sony's production pipeline and not just more Japanese games on PS5 overall...
And that's so utterly moronic, I don't even know what to say. People want MORE Japanese games. They don't want the same amount that will just happen not to release on other platforms anymore. Come on man.
 
For PC gamers, those you just tried selling the pros to.


You asked why does it matter. It matters because we're the consumers.

When said exclusives were multiplat and you have a big corporation buying them off and removing them from other platforms, you fucking bet we are.

Yeah, Demon's Souls and Bloodborne were totally polished with high production values...not. You're going in circles.
We're consumers and that doesn't change anything. They will keep producing the same quality games you seem to enjoy, so keep enjoying them. What the hell is the problem?

I have no fake outrage to give, the other competitors to sony have their own exclusives and that's what makes you (or not) buy their hardware. That's how the game's played since the very start. I haven't seen any Mario or Zelda on playstation. I haven't seen any Halo there either (yet :messenger_winking:). So when a multi trillion dollar company decides to buy half the industry on a whim, you're here pretending to be angry that sony defends their interests? Give me a break...

Bloodborne is the GOAT, an exclusive. More of that please, thank you.
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
We're consumers and that doesn't change anything. They will keep producing the same quality games you seem to enjoy, so keep enjoying them. What the hell is the problem?
The problem is I don't want to be forced to get them on a specific platform when the same quality could be enjoyed on any platform of my choice.
I have no fake outrage to give, the other competitors to sony have their own exclusives and that's what makes you (or not) buy their hardware. That's how the game's played since the very start. I haven't seen any Mario or Zelda on playstation. I haven't seen any Halo there either (yet :messenger_winking:). So when a multi trillion dollar company decides to buy half the industry on a whim, you're here pretending to be angry that sony defends their interests? Give me a break...

Bloodborne is the GOAT, an exclusive. More of that please, thank you.
We've been over that already. Stop going in circles.
 
People here just have a hard on at the thought that future souls games will be locked to PlayStation hardware. Thats the advantage. But they won’t admit that and will attempt mental gymnastics to say otherwise. It’s quite entertaining 😂
You mean like T Three reminded us of the hard on you had when you assumed MS would lock COD to Xbox?? It was extremely entertaining, except this time it might actually happen :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
The problem is I don't want to be forced to get them on a specific platform when the same quality could be enjoyed on any platform of my choice.

We've been over that already. Stop going in circles.
1- Sorry, that's not up to you. And it was extremely obvious this was your problem with the whole thing. So it's not "our" problem, sounds like a "you" problem :messenger_winking:
2- Going in circles because you refuse to understand the most obvious observation. Exclusive does not mean worse.
 

Three

Gold Member
Yet Bloodborne is arguably the worst performing game of the series. From doesn't bother optimizing whether it's single or multiplat, so them going exclusive won't suddenly make their games perform better.
Disagree there. Bloodborne on PS4 performs better than Dark Souls 3 on PS4 for example (the later having framerate drops in addition to frame pacing issues) and much better than the 900p 25fps of the xbox one version.

From has never really been good at polishing framerate but Bloodborne is actually one of the better games there. This might not change at all with the acquisition. If they start using Bluepoints Demon's Souls engine as the groundwork for new souls games then it could mean some amazing looking/performing FromSoftware games with their amazing artstyle.
 

bitbydeath

Member
People here just have a hard on at the thought that future souls games will be locked to PlayStation hardware. Thats the advantage. But they won’t admit that and will attempt mental gymnastics to say otherwise. It’s quite entertaining 😂
It’s also the only con.
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
1- Sorry, that's not up to you. And it was extremely obvious this was your problem with the whole thing. So it's not "our" problem, sounds like a "you" problem :messenger_winking:
Nah, it's not a "you" problem. It's a everyone that's not a fanboy problem.

Disagree there. Bloodborne on PS4 performs better than Dark Souls 3 on PS4 for example (the later having framerate drops in addition to frame pacing issues) and much better than the 900p 25fps of the xbox one version.
At the expense of having the worse frame pacing out of the bunch. It's certainly not any more "polished" than the others. It's simply pick your poison.
 

King Dazzar

Member
I'm not a souls fan. But what a play by Sony. Excellent move strategically. Maybe we start to see the technical rough edges improved. As I said before. Elden Ring 2 in Decima could be quite something.
 

Topher

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And I said the cons far outweigh the pros, so if it's still a net negative, we don't benefit much, do we? So amazing that we'll get 1-2 years late ports of games we used to get day 1.

And that's so utterly moronic, I don't even know what to say. People want MORE Japanese games. They don't want the same amount that will just happen not to release on other platforms anymore. Come on man.

I agree. If I'm Sony then I'm doing everything I can to ensure I keep Hidetaka Miyazaki on board. I don't think coming in and micromanaging their target platforms and schedules is the way to do that.
 

Gaiff

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I agree. If I'm Sony then I'm doing everything I can to ensure I keep Hidetaka Miyazaki on board. I don't think coming in and micromanaging their target platforms and schedules is the way to do that.
Those guys are talking as if the reason we haven't been getting Sony Santa Monica or ND's level of polish from From Soft is because they're multiplat. From's exclusives have the same jank quality as their multiplat. Being exclusive didn't stop From from having terrible frame pacing, outdated-ass graphics, ugly-as-sin character models, and still no lip synch in their games.

Bloodborne and Demon's Souls aren't any more polished than the average multiplat, so are we expecting Sony to step in and make them give us TLOU production values once they acquire From? Because I'm expecting identical levels of jank.
 
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Ebrietas

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From games will be higher quality when produced by Sony. BB music was recorded with a live orchestra and collaboration with Hollywood composers just as an example. Bamco did not give dark souls or Elden ring this treatment.

And I’m sure BP will share their tech with them so expect much better visuals and performance as well. Focusing only on ps5 means faster releases too.

Miyazaki will basically get a blank check from Sony to create whatever whenever he wants. Which is a luxury he doesn’t have even now.

The only people who lose out are the ones getting pissy that the originally exclusive PS series would go back to being exclusive. Tough shit. Every platform has exclusives, even PC.
 
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Gaiff

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From games will be higher quality when produced by Sony. BB music was recorded with a live orchestra and collaboration with Hollywood composers.

And I’m sure BP will share their tech with them so expect much better visuals and performance as well. Focusing only on ps5 means faster releases too.

Miyazaki will basically get a blank check from Sony to create whatever whenever he wants. Which is a luxury he doesn’t have even now.

The only people who lose out are the ones getting pissy that the originally exclusive PS series would go back to being exclusive. Tough shit. Every platform has exclusives, even PC.
The level of delusion.
 

onQ123

Member
Corporate takeovers never go the way employees think they will go unfortunately. These big companies don't want the workers they just want the big name I.Ps & most of the workers will be tossed aside as the company tries to cut their losses.
 
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Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
As expected. Suddenly exclusives are bad again. “But won’t someone think of the poor Xbox and PC gamers!”.
Nah, only Xbox fanboys were happy with that acquisition. Rest didn't like it or we didn't care. I personally was hoping Microsoft would mismanage COD and destroy the franchise so we could be rid of it.
 

nial

Member
And that's so utterly moronic, I don't even know what to say. People want MORE Japanese games. They don't want the same amount that will just happen not to release on other platforms anymore. Come on man.
How is that moronic? Killjoy specifically referred to the usual complaints about the lack of first-party Japanese games this gen for Sony, which From Software being part of SIE would help to fix.
You just didn't understand at all what he was talking about, and see, if you don't care about this very specific issue it's okay, but it was clearly about how people wanted for Sony to invest more in Japanese production, but now it's suddenly a problem.
 
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