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[Eurogamer] Employees at FromSoftware owner Kadokawa reportedly "thrilled" about possible Sony takeover; UPDATE: Sony confirms acquisition interest.

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
How is that moronic? Killjoy specifically referred to the usual complaints about the lack of first-party Japanese games this gen for Sony, which From Software being part of SIE would help to fix.
You just didn't understand at all what he was talking about, and see, if you don't care about this very specific issue it's okay, but it was clearly about how people wanted for Sony to invest more in Japanese production, but now it's suddenly a problem.
It completely misses the point. People want Sony to produce more Japanese games. They don't want the same amount that just don't come to other platforms. If Sony were to open a new studio in Japan, no one would bitch because a new studio would mean more games. That's what people want. Acquiring From doesn't mean more games.
 
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After all the people here cheered for the MS acquisition of Activision Blizzard, no one has a leg to stand on now in terms of being against Sony acquiring Kadokawa

agreed high quality GIF
 

nial

Member
It completely misses the point. People want Sony to produce more Japanese games. They don't want the same amount that just don't come to other platforms.
They don't care as long as there's a PlayStation Studios logo. Sony investing in From equals to Sony investing in Japan, that's literally it.
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
They don't care as long as there's a PlayStation Studios logo. Sony investing in From equals to Sony investing in Japan, that's literally it.
Nonsense. They don't care so long as it comes to PlayStation. You're here trying to tell us all they give a fuck about is the PS logo on a splash screen. Fanboys might care about that, most people don't.
 
Corporate takeovers never go the way employees think they will go unfortunately. These big companies don't want the workers they just want the big name I.Ps & most of the workers will be tossed aside as the company tries to cut their losses.

How did it work out for

Naughty Dog
Guerrilla Games
Sucker Punch
 

Topher

Identifies as young
Those guys are talking as if the reason we haven't been getting Sony Santa Monica or ND's level of polish from From Soft is because they're multiplat. From's exclusives have the same jank quality as their multiplat. Being exclusive didn't stop From from having terrible frame pacing, outdated-ass graphics, ugly-as-sin character models, and still no lip synch in their games.

Bloodborne and Demon's Souls aren't any more polished than the average multiplat, so are we expecting Sony to step in and make them give us TLOU production values once they acquire From? Because I'm expecting identical levels of jank.

I think From fans, for the most part, are fine with all that jank. I seriously doubt they would be willing to sacrifice what makes From games special to them in favor of higher production values. If Sony can assist with more tech, resources, etc. then that's fine, but involvement from Sony beyond that is probably going to make From fans nervous.
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
As expected. Suddenly exclusives are bad again. “But won’t someone think of the poor Xbox and PC gamers!”.
MS didn't make anything exclusive. Sony would make shit stuff like locking games to crap resolutions, performances, no mods... like with Demon's Souls and Bloodborne.
 
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Astray

Member
MS didn't make anything exclusive. Sony would make shit stuff like locking games to crap resolutions, performances, no mods... like with Demon Souls and Bloodborne.
Because they got completely clapped in the console market and basically had no hope of getting marketshare.

Phil himself has been leaked talking about how he wants all Zenimax games to be exclusive.

 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
I asked you how I can buy it for ps5. Since you said MS didn’t make anything exclusive.
It's not an exclusive if it's on PC. Evidently, the point you're making isn't really about exclusives, but taking games off other platforms.
 
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Astray

Member
So far there are no exclusives. 🤷‍♂️
Because he got fucked after HiFi Rush Starfield and Redfall came and went with no one buying machines for them (2 of these games is still exclusive btw), and realized he has to pivot asap.

We know what he wanted in 2020/2021 when he thought he held all the cards. The intent was very clearly there and you can even see it in how the Xbox podcasters lost their shit when HiFi Rush came out, what's happening right now is very clearly not what he was thinking 3 years ago.
 
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TheSHEEEP

Gold Member
Guess that's goodbye for Souls games on PC (at least FromSoft-made).
Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
 
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rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
I can buy previous Bethesda games on ps5 so I should be able to buy starfield right? Since ms didn’t make anything exclusive according to you.
You can't buy Arena, Daggerfall or Morrowind on PS5. And again, Starfield is on PC and Xbox Series, so not exclusive. Need a drawing??
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Because he got fucked after HiFi Rush Starfield and Redfall came and went with no one buying machines for them (2 of these games is still exclusive btw), and realized he has to pivot asap.

We know what he wanted in 2020/2021 when he thought he held all the cards. The intent was very clearly there and you can even see it in how the Xbox podcasters lost their shit when HiFi Rush came out, what's happening right now is very clearly not what he was thinking 3 years ago.
The "becauses" are irrelevant.
 

Ebrietas

Member
It's not an exclusive if it's on PC. Evidently, the point you're making isn't really about exclusives, but taking games off other platforms.
Great. So we’ve apparently established that there is no problem excluding platforms from previously multi platform developers. So I guess we can stop crying about future From games possibly not being on Xbox or PC, right?
 

Astray

Member
Guess that's goodbye for Souls games on PC (at least FromSoft-made).
Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
Too big of a market to ignore imo.

The reason I'm saying Xbox will likely be the one to go is because if the deal closes, Sony gets %100 of From's PS instead of %30, that alone gives them a lot of possibilities when it comes to modeling the impact of withholding Souls games from Xbox and comparing alternatives.

Even if they exclude entirely (meaning no delayed ports even), they still won't lose enough to decide against it, if they even lose money.

PC is not a market they're ignoring to begin with, nor do they see a threat in it either. So the story is different there.
 
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Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Great. So we’ve apparently established that there is no problem excluding platforms from previously multi platform developers. So I guess we can stop crying about future From games possibly not being on Xbox or PC, right?
Don't know what you mean. I wasn't happy with the Bethesda acquisition either, but most of their games are shit. I generally dislike when a good third-party gets gobbled up by one of the big 3 and they start taking games off other platforms following this. Thankfully for Sony, their market share is so large that Microsoft cannot really afford to do that.
 

Nonehxc

Member
UPDATE 12/12/2024: Sony has now confirmed its interest in acquiring Kadokawa.

"It is true that we have made an initial statement of intent," said Sony in a report from Yahoo Japan (via IGN). "We would appreciate it if you would allow us to refrain from further comment."

This means both sides have now acknowledged the possible acquisition, though no further details are currently known.

ORIGINAL STORY 11/12/2024: Employees at FromSoftware owner Kadokawa are reportedly optimistic about a potential buyout from Sony due to frustration with current management.

Kadokawa suffered a ransomware cyberattack earlier this year, but employees were left disappointed by the response from current president and CEO Takeshi Natsuno.

As a result, employees are said to be "thrilled at the prospect of an acquisition by Sony", according to a new report from Japanese outlet Bunshun (via Automaton).

"The people around me are thrilled at the prospect of an acquisition by Sony," a veteran Kadokawa employee told Bunshun.

"That's because there's a certain number of employees who are dissatisfied with the Natsuno administration, which didn't even bother to hold a press conference after peoples' personal information was leaked in the cyberattack. They expect that if Sony were to acquire the company, they would get rid of the president first."

The cyberattack against Kadokawa included video streaming platform NicoNico, as well as personal employee information as part of 1.5 terabytes of stolen data.

Former chairman Tsuguhiko Kadokawa - part of the company's founding family - was reportedly "surprised, but appeared positive" about a Sony acquisition, according to a Bunshun source at the company.

Kadokawa himself resigned from the company in October 2022 following allegations of bribing an official of the Tokyo Olympic Games. Kadokawa denied the charges.

Conversely, economic analyst Takahiro Suzuki told Bunshun Kadokawa had little to gain from the acquisition. "Kadokawa will lose its independence, and management will become stricter," he said. "If they want to keep developing their business as freely as they have until now, [the acquisition] would be a bad choice. They'd have to be prepared for publications that don't lead to IP creation being put under scrutiny."

News of Sony possibly acquiring Kadokawa emerged from a Reuters report last month. The following day, Kadokawa acknowledged the takeover interest from Sony.

"The Company has received an initial letter of intent to acquire the Company's shares, but no decision has been made at this time," said Kadokawa at the time.

Still, the news has in part led to a sharp increase in Sony's stock value in Japan, which is currently the highest since 2000. As the Wall Street Journal reported, stock value has been on the rise for the past month following strong financial results from Sony and its profitable game segment.

As for what's next from FromSoftware, president Hidetaki Miyazaki stated a sequel to Elden Ring is not in development, but the company does have multiple projects in the works.


This looks like a proper courtship.

'Hey Fromkawa, I'm interested in you, I write you letter' 👉🏻👈🏻:lollipop_neutral:

'I know. I like you're interested in me' 😏

'Can I make it public?' 😊

'Yes, and soon we will make it pubic' 🫣
 

SkylineRKR

Member
Because they got completely clapped in the console market and basically had no hope of getting marketshare.

Phil himself has been leaked talking about how he wants all Zenimax games to be exclusive.


Ofcourse this was their initial goal. They needed content to drive their Series consoles. Their plan wasn't to continue supplying the PS5. It was to bolster the Series. They obviously saw that in the long term it wouldn't be viable. So they backtracked their plans. Were vague about exclusivity, and then maybe yes or no would release games on competing systems.

Starfield was one of the first, it was exclusive and still is. Fast forward a year and Indy was announced for PS5 rather quickly and clear after the reveal.
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Why because they made some games that Sony published for them...? Like FromSoftware has?
"Some games". That's putting it mildly. And it's not even comparable to From Software, but I suspect you knew this already.
 
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It completely misses the point. People want Sony to produce more Japanese games. They don't want the same amount that just don't come to other platforms. If Sony were to open a new studio in Japan, no one would bitch because a new studio would mean more games. That's what people want. Acquiring From doesn't mean more games.

And what makes you say that? Why couldn't SIE simply expand From Software to have more internal teams after acquiring them (well, Sony Corp acquiring them and possibly placing SIE under/alongside SIE)?

Also odd of you to act like these companies have limited bandwidth in what they can do when it comes to internal startups & acquisitions. You can do both. SIE already somewhat started a new studio in Japan this gen with Team Asobi, comprised of some people from Japan Studio. But in the real world, you can't simply rely on internal startups in this modern gaming era if you're SIE and your competitors are companies like Microsoft and Tencent looking to buy up as many major 3P as possible.

Another thing...who are these "other platforms" that From Software games suddenly won't come out on? Xbox? Maybe. But then, who really cares? Xbox isn't owed games just because it exists, same with PlayStation or Nintendo or PC for that matter. But it seems some people who are really about Xbox feel their platform is the exception. It's not. If Microsoft got their way and could keep Zenimax games off PlayStation...then that'd of just been what it'd been. PlayStation wouldn't have been owed those games just because they exist.

There's no point trying to make any possible strategy of SIE removing games from Xbox as being anti-consumer either because first of all, a lot of the market have already voluntarily rejected Xbox as seen in sales declines the past 2+ years. Secondly it's not like SIE would be barring certain people from buying PlayStations to play the games. They DO need to fix the PSN availability issue big-time, but that's more a Steam-related problem and I strongly doubt SIE will remove From Software games from Steam or change anything in terms of release timing for those games to Steam, either.

So little chance they suddenly make Elden Ring 2 a 2+ year timed console exclusive before going to Steam, when the first game was already Day 1 there. But if they say do timed exclusivity for a new Demon's Souls or don't bring Demon's Souls or Bloodborne to Steam at all...then fine. Cool. Steam isn't owed either of those games and those aren't instances where SIE are taking something away from them, because those IP were never on Steam in the first place.
 
"Some games". That's putting it mildly.

Naughty Dog made 5 games with Sony before Sony bought them.
Guerrilla Games made 1 game with Sony before Sony bought them.
Sucker Puncher made 5 games with Sony before Sony bought them.

FromSoftware has made 3 games for Sony, not including games that Sony published for them in specific regions, which would increase that number to more games than probably any studio sony bought except for Insomniac.
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Naughty Dog made 5 games with Sony before Sony bought them.
And between 1995 and 2001, released no games on other platforms. That was basically a first-party studio.
Guerrilla Games made 1 game with Sony before Sony bought them.
Yeah, so they've basically always been a first-party studio.
Sucker Puncher made 5 games with Sony before Sony bought them.
And 1 game for the N64 way back in 1999. Basically a first-party studio.
FromSoftware has made 3 games for Sony, not including games that Sony published for them in specific regions, which would increase that number to more games than probably any studio sony bought except for Insomniac.
The argument being put forth is that those studios were basically first-party studios before Sony officially acquired them, which is true. No one would call From a Sony first-party studio at the moment, so why act like the situations are similar? They aren't.

He's wrong that those acquisitions always go wrong though. They've worked out well for Sony. I also don't think Sony would ruin From. They're not incompetent like Microsoft.
 
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Ebrietas

Member
You can't buy Arena, Daggerfall or Morrowind on PS5. And again, Starfield is on PC and Xbox Series, so not exclusive. Need a drawing??
It’s excluding PS when Skyrim, the immediate predecessor, didn’t. Because MS ordered Bethesda to exclude it. Stop playing dense.

If you don’t have a problem with that then drop the pearl clutching over the next From game maybe not being on PC. It’s the same thing just in reverse. Or do you think only PC matters and anyone with ps5 can go F themselves?
 

Gaiff

SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And what makes you say that? Why couldn't SIE simply expand From Software to have more internal teams after acquiring them (well, Sony Corp acquiring them and possibly placing SIE under/alongside SIE)?

Also odd of you to act like these companies have limited bandwidth in what they can do when it comes to internal startups & acquisitions. You can do both. SIE already somewhat started a new studio in Japan this gen with Team Asobi, comprised of some people from Japan Studio. But in the real world, you can't simply rely on internal startups in this modern gaming era if you're SIE and your competitors are companies like Microsoft and Tencent looking to buy up as many major 3P as possible.

Another thing...who are these "other platforms" that From Software games suddenly won't come out on? Xbox? Maybe. But then, who really cares? Xbox isn't owed games just because it exists, same with PlayStation or Nintendo or PC for that matter. But it seems some people who are really about Xbox feel their platform is the exception. It's not. If Microsoft got their way and could keep Zenimax games off PlayStation...then that'd of just been what it'd been. PlayStation wouldn't have been owed those games just because they exist.

There's no point trying to make any possible strategy of SIE removing games from Xbox as being anti-consumer either because first of all, a lot of the market have already voluntarily rejected Xbox as seen in sales declines the past 2+ years. Secondly it's not like SIE would be barring certain people from buying PlayStations to play the games. They DO need to fix the PSN availability issue big-time, but that's more a Steam-related problem and I strongly doubt SIE will remove From Software games from Steam or change anything in terms of release timing for those games to Steam, either.

So little chance they suddenly make Elden Ring 2 a 2+ year timed console exclusive before going to Steam, when the first game was already Day 1 there. But if they say do timed exclusivity for a new Demon's Souls or don't bring Demon's Souls or Bloodborne to Steam at all...then fine. Cool. Steam isn't owed either of those games and those aren't instances where SIE are taking something away from them, because those IP were never on Steam in the first place.
No idea why you're typing all this. I'm saying that what people want from Sony is more Japanese games, not that they simply buy up existing studios and remove their games from other platforms. So them acquiring from and going, "but I thought you wanted Japanese games" misses the point that this won't increase their output. It's not more Japanese games on PlayStation. It's fewer games on other platforms going with the assumption that they stop releasing them on other platforms.

For the record, I don't think they will stop releasing them on PC or even delay them. Xbox is a different story.
 
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Very good play by Sony. Kadokawa and its employees want to be bought out and I can’t think of a better buyer than Sony. Both companies are perfectly aligned in their interests and have a strong partnership going back for decades. All the whining in the thread is absolute rubbish especially when some of it is coming from the same clowns that cheered on the ABK purchase by MS.

Acquisitions will always happen in the industry, they can’t be avoided. This is one of the few acquisitions that actually makes sense and has more positives than negatives. I’d rather see Kadokawa bought out by Sony than Tencent or MS. Sony isn’t gonna lock out PC from getting games, the only platform that has a risk of getting dropped is Xbox but Xbox itself is already on the way out after this gen so it’s kinda negligible.
 

Crayon

Member
This consolidation stuff bugs me enough that it's hard to even enjoy the drama. :/ Several of sony's are pretty benign because of previous relationships but From being under a platform holder is not my favorite.
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
It’s the same thing just in reverse. Or do you think only PC matters and anyone with ps5 can go F themselves?
2 platforms instead of only 1 and 1 of those platforms having much less limitations that the others is far from the same thing in reverse. 🤷‍♂️
 
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