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Eurovision Song Contest 2015 |OT| Austro-Australovision
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Mavromatis
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France had apparently impressed a bit a couple days ago in the pre-show, I'd be curious to know whether they would have indeed missed the finals. Very possible, though...
Here was the journalists votes :
What I find interesting is that the bookmakers top 5 (Sweden, Russia, Italia, Belgium, Australia) was right, if I'm not mistaken.
I liked France's song but with that much competition they didn't have a chance. Though Austria and Germany getting 2 points from their guests there is too honest. I imagine some head would roll if we hosted a contest and flunked right at the pre-vote.
Oh man, now I am intrigued. Did some shady shit go on?
That feeling when you realize that a bad attempt at a joke you made is so horrendous, it would fit right into TV Total...
uncleniccius
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I still struggle to believe that people take this seriously.
It is a fun watch - especially in the UK with the sarcastic commentary, but the goofyness makes it because it is actually pretty shit music wise.
It is a fun watch - especially in the UK with the sarcastic commentary, but the goofyness makes it because it is actually pretty shit music wise.
Mavromatis
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Weird. What's the role of the jury from those two countries? Can ESC say "fuck your jury" and make 100% of the televote count even though the country intended to do some type of 50/50 split?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6IYKJQd7P0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPl3mjTd9u0
I should've watched the deaf edition, this is fantastic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPl3mjTd9u0
I should've watched the deaf edition, this is fantastic
Never thought they had a chance... But passing the semifinals could have been doable, I think.
The 50/50 split between a jury of 5 persons (never understood who the where) and televoting is mandatory for the ESC:
http://www.eurovision.tv/page/about/voting
If I understood correctly, only the televoting (no jury) has been used for those two countries, and that's the reason for the problem?
SecretMoblin
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Jury votes have been nullified before, like last year when Georgia's 5 jury members voted the exact same way for every single act. There are also persistent grumblings about Armenia and Azerbaijan's juries, which reliably give each other 0 points every year.
Red Arremer
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The 5 jurists are people from the music industry of the respective country - musicians, producers, writers, that kinda stuff.
And no, they observed some stuff with the Montenegrin and Macedonian juries, so they excluded their votes and only used the televotings for those 2 countries.
Man I want to talk to one of those ladies doing the deaf version. Probably interesting/funny.
Yes, I've seen a couple names for my national jury, but I'm still wondering how it works... (how they're chosen, in particular)
Yes, after re-reading, that's what I finally concluded. That's strange...
That, or ESC made televoting count for 100% because the jury was already disqualified because the weren't the same people who voted for the semifinals:
This rule basically says Eurovision calculates the final score by combining the 50% from the jury (which was already done before the final based on the second dress rehearsal, as said in the quote above) and the 50% the country reports from the televote:
There are also these rules:
Maybe someone was found to be related to an artist or they were all 55-year-old men who judged entries based on how hot the singer was.
Like NeoGAF did.
I dunno, I've been thinking about this a bit, and even though a lot of people see Eurovision as corrupt and subject to political bias etc., I still really like the concept and presentation of the show. It's awesome, seeing countries of all sizes and 'influence' come together like this in creative expression.
It's one of the rare moments in the year where I have genuine thoughts like "Y'know what, the Moldavians are alright", or "Hey, Azerbaijan are pretty cool".
Heh.
It's one of the rare moments in the year where I have genuine thoughts like "Y'know what, the Moldavians are alright", or "Hey, Azerbaijan are pretty cool".
Heh.
Mavromatis
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Maybe their jury voted for Austria and Germany and the independent observer noticed their obvious lie.
SecretMoblin
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Übermatik;164973597 said:
You can be cynical and still enjoy the spectacle and celebration of different cultures, etc.
The way the EBU handled the Azerbaijan contest was all kinds of gross, but the show itself was still fine. And it's obviously a huge deal for the performers, who usually don't deserve to be caught up in the external political firestorms.
I am dying here .
The thing is...the guy that actually won didn't want go and he beat Ann Sophie convincingly. Without him, Alexa probably would've won, because he gobbled up all the "singer/songwriter" votes.
Also, she would've sung in German, that would have been a big plus I think.
Yeah this is it really, it's good seeing people from around the world perform.
What happened here?
Red Arremer
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Sixth. There's already 5 Big Five.
Absolutely agreed. I was so touched by Conchita and Alice Tumler (one of the narrators) standing up for Polina when she was getting boo'd a lot by the crowd.
I really hope the girl will be alright, after the shit she went through with the media lately and what she said... :c
fushi
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SecretMoblin
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Übermatik;164974488 said:
Lots of stuff, but basically:
the EBU's platform is clear that its participating members have certain basic standards, such as press freedoms, support for basic human rights, etc. When Azerbaijan won the contest and got the right to host in 2012, their abhorrent human rights record was put under the spotlight and EBU officials spent that entire year making excuses for Azerbaijan's government and sidestepping difficult questions.
They tried to soften the criticism by not punishing Loreen (that year's eventual winner) when she met with local human rights groups, but the whole thing was a mess. The EBU was probably much happier when the contest went to the more politically safe Sweden the following year.
Mavromatis
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I always wondered what would happen if Armenia won at Azerbaijan or Cyprus won in Turkey, Kosovo won in Russia?
How would they handle that, I assume they'll have a plan for it.
He declined immediately after winning the spot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr4pRZoN-Lc
So they send the 2nd place, but the whole contest was pretty complicated. She sprobably wouldn't have gotte 2nd place without Andreas.
SecretMoblin
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Armenia didn't even participate in Baku, it was one of the many controversies that year. They were fined by the EBU for pulling out before the contest. I imagine there would be similar awkward arrangements re: Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, Russia, etc.
It sucks for those of us who just want a fun, big party
Red Arremer
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Armenia didn't even participate in Baku, it was one of the many controversies that year. They were fined by the EBU for pulling out before the contest. I imagine there would be similar awkward arrangements re: Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, Russia, etc.
It sucks for those of us who just want a fun, big party
Georgia withdrew from the contest in Russia 2008, actually, that was when that whole South Ossetia thing happened.
VibratingDonkey
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Why can't Europe appreciate a good piano burning?
SecretMoblin
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was that the "We Don't Wanna Put In" year?
It was somewhere around there, iirc
I also wish Lebanon/Morocco/etc. would participate, lots of talent in those countries
I hope the EBU officially recognizes Kosovo at some point, too
Red Arremer
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For the same reason Austria can't appreciate a good Electrococo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DNbKMAgKIo
Man I'm still so upset they didn't get chosen. They had everything a good Eurovision song needs: dancey-ness, great stage show potential and that little weirdness you need.
was that the "We Don't Wanna Put In" year?
It was somewhere around there, iirc
I also wish Lebanon/Morocco/etc. would participate, lots of talent in those countries
I hope the EBU officially recognizes Kosovo at some point, too
Yeah.
I hope that newer, second Moroccan broadcaster becomes a member of the EBU, apparently they're more liberal than the current one, and apparently there's been expressions of interest from them to have Morocco return to the contest as well.
I'm surprised Egypt hasn't taken a shot though. Their relationship with Israel is more stable than any other country's (iirc), and they've been fairly Euro-friendly as well.
Red Arremer
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She should be given political asylum.
Remembrance
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I've been reading post-show Eurovision recaps since... I think it was the year with "you have never been to my show" but I followed the whole finals live this year for the first time. Admittedly it wasn't one of the "fun" years, but that helped to get a feel for how everything worked, you know?
Put me down in the Belgium camp. And this thread is truly one of the best.
Put me down in the Belgium camp. And this thread is truly one of the best.
SecretMoblin
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Full voting results released.
Time to comb through and find all the crazy discrepancies between the televote and the juries.
"The first Semi-Final saw Russia placed first with 182 points, followed by Belgium with 149 points, and then third was Estonia with 105 points.
The second Semi-Final saw Sweden placed first with 217 points, followed by Latvia with 155 points, and then third was Israel with 151 points."
Time to comb through and find all the crazy discrepancies between the televote and the juries.
"The first Semi-Final saw Russia placed first with 182 points, followed by Belgium with 149 points, and then third was Estonia with 105 points.
The second Semi-Final saw Sweden placed first with 217 points, followed by Latvia with 155 points, and then third was Israel with 151 points."
Red Arremer
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How the hell did San Marino get more points than Switzerland? I mean ok, Switzerland was boring, but it wasn't out of sync and outright badly composed like San Marino's song lol.
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Didn't get to see the final-final (since it's on waaaaay too early in Australia), but I really liked Latvia's entry. Was sad to hear she didn't get it in the end. Sweden's entry was cool because of the background images/choreography, and the song wasn't bad, but Latvia > Sweden for sure.
And, compared to the butter churning entry I heard about from some other year, my first taste of Eurovision seemed really tame. A fun night full of snarky commentary, though.
And, compared to the butter churning entry I heard about from some other year, my first taste of Eurovision seemed really tame. A fun night full of snarky commentary, though.
lol, the best thing to happen to eurovision sadly noone realised that it was a joke:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVdf7KrevF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVdf7KrevF0
This jury business is bollocks. The televote put Lithuania as the first result. But when combined with the jury they were 7th for the UK.
What's the point of the voting if it doesn't represent the voters?
Red Arremer
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The point is so the bloc/diaspora voting is reduced.
Granted, it doesn't matter anyway, because it still sorta happens, and a lot of it is perceived anyway (i.e. the songs that take the lead normally do so even without diaspora/bloc help), it really only helps countries in the center areas.
But you know, if the big spenders like Germany or the UK threaten to pull out of the contest (and their funding is substantial for it), you'll do whatever makes them happy, too.
Azerbaijan's participation in Eurovision has always been irritating because:
1) Azerbaijan have been busted for cheating in Eurovision by offering bribes. In fact Eurovision had to change their rules because of Azerbaijan's shady bribery tactics (and stop Azerbaijan from trying to cheat again).
Here's an undercover documentary from the BBC (from the UK) called "Eurovision's Dirty Secret Azerbaijan"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oea2XGsIbvI
2) If someone in Azerbaijan votes for Azerbaijan's neighbouring country Armenia, the police have tracked those people down, dragged them to a police station, and questioned those people for why they voted for the "enemy" (and have also tried to arrest them).
Azerbaijan television have also in the past blocked Armenia's entry in Eurovision airing on Azeri television (they literally block the video & sound when it's Armenia's turn to perform).
For the police to get involved and drag people to police stations for simply voting for a song, and for the television bosses to shut down the television signal when a country they don't like is performing....what the fuck is this country thinking, are they another Iran or Saudi Arabia?
3). Nearly all the time, Azerbaijan pays a shitload of money to have non-Azeri's from around the world - put together Azerbaijan's Eurovision entry. The song-writer, song producer, song composer, music video producer, dancers on stage, etc....are 99% of the time foreigners and not Azeri's - and I don't think that's what Eurovision is about.
Since Azerbaijan's entry in Eurovision, just 1 song was actually written and composed by an Azeri. Every other song, Azerbaijan have had to pay other people from other countries to write and compose Azerbaijan's Eurovision entry (and that includes this years entry from Azerbaijan - yet again another song that has been written, produced, and composed by someone in Sweden on behalf of Azerbaijan ).
It's terrible because it makes Azerbaijan look like a joke (and uncreative) that they can't write and compose their own songs, and need to rely on non-Azeri's to do it for them.
1) Azerbaijan have been busted for cheating in Eurovision by offering bribes. In fact Eurovision had to change their rules because of Azerbaijan's shady bribery tactics (and stop Azerbaijan from trying to cheat again).
Here's an undercover documentary from the BBC (from the UK) called "Eurovision's Dirty Secret Azerbaijan"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oea2XGsIbvI
2) If someone in Azerbaijan votes for Azerbaijan's neighbouring country Armenia, the police have tracked those people down, dragged them to a police station, and questioned those people for why they voted for the "enemy" (and have also tried to arrest them).
Azerbaijan television have also in the past blocked Armenia's entry in Eurovision airing on Azeri television (they literally block the video & sound when it's Armenia's turn to perform).
For the police to get involved and drag people to police stations for simply voting for a song, and for the television bosses to shut down the television signal when a country they don't like is performing....what the fuck is this country thinking, are they another Iran or Saudi Arabia?
3). Nearly all the time, Azerbaijan pays a shitload of money to have non-Azeri's from around the world - put together Azerbaijan's Eurovision entry. The song-writer, song producer, song composer, music video producer, dancers on stage, etc....are 99% of the time foreigners and not Azeri's - and I don't think that's what Eurovision is about.
Since Azerbaijan's entry in Eurovision, just 1 song was actually written and composed by an Azeri. Every other song, Azerbaijan have had to pay other people from other countries to write and compose Azerbaijan's Eurovision entry (and that includes this years entry from Azerbaijan - yet again another song that has been written, produced, and composed by someone in Sweden on behalf of Azerbaijan ).
It's terrible because it makes Azerbaijan look like a joke (and uncreative) that they can't write and compose their own songs, and need to rely on non-Azeri's to do it for them.
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