Ever had an employee that refuses to look presentable, but has incredible potential?

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Maybe if you recommended a good stylist, he'd be more open to the idea. If you work where I think you do, I can get you in touch with a Brit who has alot of experience trimming beards, help you avoid the barrage of nebulous names and numbers.
 
Sunflower, how do you handle people with a bunch of showing tattoos or odd facial piercings? Personally, I think people like that would have more luck going independent. Maybe they could find some honor there.
 
CouldBeWorse said:
I'm 10 years into my career, have worked at numerous Fortune 500 companies as a consultant, and am currently in management.

I love the "let him express his creativity" posts so, so much. The ignorance is amazing.
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Yeah, every time I read GAF I'm more convinced that many of these people live in some alternate reality, or a delusional bubble. Appearance matters, deal with it people.

I wear cargo shorts, t-shirts and flip flops pretty much all the time, and I go from beard to goatee to clean shaven at least once a month, but when I'm working I'm cleanly dressed in proper clothing and my hair(head/facial) is well maintained. It's not stifling someone's creativity to make them come to work looking presentable. I like the "Dude" as much as the next guy but at the end of the day he's a fucking bum, and as cool as that plays out in a movie it's just the opposite in the real world.
 
CouldBeWorse said:
I'm 10 years into my career, have worked at numerous Fortune 500 companies as a consultant, and am currently in management.

I love the "let him express his creativity" posts so, so much. The ignorance is amazing.
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Heavens forbid someone wants to live their life not stuck with a dinosaur-era corporate dick shoved down their throat.

Sit down for this, it might be shocking: Some people value things other than money highly.

I know, I know. What the fuck right? Clearly freaks.

Someone should take a machine gun to the entire creative class.
 
andycapps said:
It's probably what most people refer to as a "real job." There's a big difference between a well groomed beard and some scraggly, unkempt beard.
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"Scraggly" has more to do with genetics than hygiene. Some dudes just have thinner, sparser beards and I know for a fact that many people find that look "dirty" even though it's really not. I suspect that feeling is the same one that guides accusations that someone's beard is not suited for the workplace, and that's straight-up wrong.
 
op if shit don't work out hire me. i might not be able to do the work but i'll look good while not doing it.

xtrasauce said:
"Scraggly" has more to do with genetics than hygiene. Some dudes just have thinner, sparser beards and I know for a fact that many people find that look "dirty" even though it's really not. I suspect that feeling is the same one that guides accusations that someone's beard is not suited for the workplace, and that's straight-up wrong.
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if you can't grow a good looking beard, don't grow a beard

jamesinclair said:
Heavens forbid someone wants to live their life not stuck with a dinosaur-era corporate dick shoved down their throat.

Sit down for this, it might be shocking: Some people value things other than money highly.

I know, I know. What the fuck right? Clearly freaks.

Someone should take a machine gun to the entire creative class.
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jeeze, what got caught in your beard?
 
jamesinclair said:
Heavens forbid someone wants to live their life not stuck with a dinosaur-era corporate dick shoved down their throat.

Sit down for this, it might be shocking: Some people value things other than money highly.

I know, I know. What the fuck right? Clearly freaks.

Someone should take a machine gun to the entire creative class.
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You can be creative and not be a slob.

And that corporate dick pays your bills, so don't forget to cup the balls, ok?
 
xtrasauce said:
"Scraggly" has more to do with genetics than hygiene. Some dudes just have thinner, sparser beards and I know for a fact that many people find that look "dirty" even though it's really not. I suspect that feeling is the same one that guides accusations that someone's beard is not suited for the workplace, and that's straight-up wrong.
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Some people can't pull off certain looks. If you have a shitty beard, shave.
 
Should have told him of the dress standards from the moment he was hired. Does this mean you guys don't have an enforced dress code ?
 
jamesinclair said:
Heavens forbid someone wants to live their life not stuck with a dinosaur-era corporate dick shoved down their throat.

Sit down for this, it might be shocking: Some people value things other than money highly.

I know, I know. What the fuck right? Clearly freaks.

Someone should take a machine gun to the entire creative class.
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Shave your neckbeard and get a job, bum.
 
I am SO glad I work in a place where appearance does not matter in the slightest. There is a guy making six figures and has tattoos on his hands...it's awesome. As soon as I'm done training and certified, I'm going crazy with tattoos.
 
i was legit shook when my boss told me i couldn't get a promotion cause my beard made me look like a goat face. i should really go back to a smaller, more homely company.
 
jamesinclair said:
Heavens forbid someone wants to live their life not stuck with a dinosaur-era corporate dick shoved down their throat.

Sit down for this, it might be shocking: Some people value things other than money highly.

I know, I know. What the fuck right? Clearly freaks.

Someone should take a machine gun to the entire creative class.
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You're just not boardroom material, bro.







Jk
 
OP, don't really see the point on bothering with that guy, when you can promote a squeaky clean employee who actually cares about the company policies. While he may not be half as good as that bearded guy, the fact that he does care about his presentation shows that in the end, he's willing to do anything for you and the company by following orders. No one wants to look at a guy with a terrible beard just because he thinks it makes him special.
 
I'm curious about this...

Sunflower said:
No full details on what I said to him (I swear I didn't go bananas, didn't act weird, nothing crazy) but I told him I'd be partnering with someone else who can show him some new things, he said okay and was kind of acting "shut off"
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Why was he acting weird before you even brought up his appearance?
 
Batigol said:
The best thing about this thread is nobody seems to realise it's about a wrestler :lol
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Azuran said:
OP, don't really see the point on bothering with that guy, when you can promote a squeaky clean employee who actually cares about the company policies. While he may not be half as good as that bearded guy, the fact that he does care about his presentation shows that in the end, he's willing to do anything for you and the company by following orders. No one wants to look at a guy with a terrible beard just because he thinks it makes him special.
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What if he just likes having a fucking beard?
 
There's a lot of wishful thinking in here about personal appearance in professional environments, but the bottom line is that your appearance does matter in a lot of places.

If he can't clean up and look the part, and you don't feel you can promote him, then thems be the breaks.
 
What's so hard about cleaning yourself up for work? Being a professional is more than being able to do the work in a corporation. If you can't get past that concept then you have no one but yourself to blame about your lack of career mobility.
 
jamesinclair said:
Someone should take a machine gun to the entire creative class.
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There is nothing creative about looking like a slob, in fact due to what a trend it's become it's probably the least creative thing you could possibly do. It's also highly ignorant to think you can't be creative and look presentable at the same time. Don't worry ,though, there is always someone else out there that is just as creative as you are but without your "I'm a special snowflake" hangups that will take your place.
 
Rafterman said:
There is nothing creative about looking like a slob, in fact due to what a trend it's become it's probably the least creative thing you could possibly do. It's also highly ignorant to think you can't be creative and look presentable at the same time. Don't worry ,though, there is always someone else out there that is just as creative as you are but without your "I'm a special snowflake" hangups that will take your place.
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That's really it. Why should I settle for someone who is half the package when there are driven people who can do both? We'll see if he shows up tomorrow.
 
If your employee can't even take proper care of himself how the heck do you expect him to be able to take on more responsibility? Presentation is a huge part of working in the corporate world and if your employee can't seem to understand that then it may well be time to cut ties with him. I understand how hard it will be for you to let him go, considering you like his output in his current position, but if you let him stay it will make you look weak in the eyes of both your employees and competitors. Soon you'll be having tons of people showing up to work with large, scruffy beards and your company will become the laughing stock of your industry. You need to man up and cut ties with him before that happens.
 
Lambda Piscium said:
i was legit shook when my boss told me i couldn't get a promotion cause my beard made me look like a goat face. i should really go back to a smaller, more homely company.
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I hear ya brother! Seems like a bunch of people in here fear the beard. Don't they know that The beard is here. On the other hand if Sunny did get this employee to trim it down it seems like he could be quite the dazzler. Maybe he should be paired with an older, more experienced employee, one that is comfortable with his position in the company and doesn't mind helping out the young ones. Perhaps Sunny knows of "Good Guy" that could help him with this.

just hate to see young talent get buried over something like this, but hey I'm not the chairman of the board so what do I know

whatamaneuver
 
Next time he is leaving work through the parking lot have someone run him down in a black town car with tinted windows.
We had this one guy who was constantly drinking on the job and after we did that he was off for a year and never quite the same when he came back.
 
This sounds to me like beta males who cant grow a Grizzly Adams beard, that have somehow risen to positions of power, projecting their inadequacy onto alphas that can grow Grizzly Adams beards.


In before Fedora comments ;)
 
Guess it's true. Give someone an ounce of power and it goes to their head.

This better be some world changing, CEO type level job this guy may be promoted to, otherwise the level of nitpicking going on is completely unnecessary. OP's concerns sound so typical of the middle manager trying to play God instead of focusing on the bottomline. If the bottomline is how he looks, and your company's goal is simply image over quality work, I guess he should be gone. If the bottomline is quality of work and satisfied customers, then it sounds like he's a decent employee, who reportedly has a lot of potential, so why not give him an opportunity to show you how much potential he has?
 
OJdaKiller said:
Guess it's true. Give someone an ounce of power and it goes to their head.

This better be some world changing, CEO type level job this guy may be promoted to, otherwise the level of nitpicking going on is completely unnecessary. OP's concerns sound so typical of the middle manager trying to play God instead of focusing on the bottomline. If the bottomline is how he looks, and your company's goal is simply image over quality work, I guess he should be gone. If the bottomline is quality of work and satisfied customers, then it sounds like he's a decent employee, who reportedly has a lot of potential, so why not give him an opportunity to show you how much potential he has?
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Fact of the matter is, the company may not give a shit, but if the person has to interact with people outside of the company, they WILL make judgements based on that person's appearance. So yes, it does matter what their appearance is.

It's bullshit, but it's the society we live in.
 
The Adder said:
Fact of the matter is, the company may not give a shit, but if the person has to interact with people outside of the company, they WILL make judgements based on that person's appearance. So yes, it does matter what their appearance is.

It's bullshit, but it's the society we live in.
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The change can start with you and the OP. Are you up to the challenge?
 
funkystudent said:
Next time he is leaving work through the parking lot have someone run him down in a black town car with tinted windows.
We had this one guy who was constantly drinking on the job and after we did that he was off for a year and never quite the same when he came back.
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i had guy on my office who shat on a co-workers bag due to some petty bullshit. but he got the boss's ear, so he went away for a couple of weeks but came back.

he's not even that good of a salesman, talks way too slow, but he's tall, got good looks so the boss keeps him around.
 
The Adder said:
Fact of the matter is, the company may not give a shit, but if the person has to interact with people outside of the company, they WILL make judgements based on that person's appearance. So yes, it does matter what their appearance is.

It's bullshit, but it's the society we live in.
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I get it, but that's really on whoever is making a judgement on this guy. Obviously, I don't know how much of a slob-like caveman this employee actually looks like. I agree there is a line, but are we really just talking about his beard and him not wearing professional enough clothes?

Also just giving the guy the opportunity to fail isn't a bad thing. If he fails at the next level that is on the employee. I think the OP may be more concerned about how promoting him, with his current look, would reflect on him as manager, not actually the level of success he would have with task he would be carrying out.

Personally, when I'm a customer, I don't care what the person looks like, no matter what I'm buying or what service I'm receiving, as long as what they are providing me is quality, I'm happy. Quality of service wins out in the end any day.
 
Cheech said:
He can't do anything about his employee not having drive?

It's called "fuck you, you're fired".
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But somebody not having drive to improve themselves and instead treat their job like a prison sentence? They are collecting unemployment. Advancing your knowledge and the desire to constantly learn new things is critical in IT.
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Oh man, you sound like fun! Don't the majority of people treat work like a prison sentence?

I guess I'm not in a line of work where what you wear/putting on a nice glitzy performance matters though so what do I know...this guy chose to get into the corporate bullshit world so he should kind of expect this type of thing, dumb as it is.
 
I'd honestly just str8 up tell him that he's guaranteed the promotion if he grooms better. Write it on a piece of paper, show him the sentence, and burn it afterwards so there's no proof you told him flat out.
 
My dad is successful in tech and business sector and always controlled the way I dressed to ensure I would eventually have financial success and he can go fuck himself. He's a controlling dick bag and if I want tattoos and piercings I'll get them.

Besides that you should be able to look presentable for work, at least. This guy is an ass.
 
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