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FakeGAF 7: The Dark Thirst Rises

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I look at it this way: A while ago my niece cried when she first learned what some of her food was (I've heard this type of reaction isn't entirely uncommon) She still isn't a vegetarian/vegan, and maybe will never be, but if she had the capability and efficacy to make informed decisions and determine her diet from the outset, maybe she would never have touched meat to begin with.

When I have children, I won't feed them meat. If when they're older and capable of comprehending what they're eating they decide they want to eat meat, then so be it.

That's a perfectly valid experience and I believe it's true for many people. On the other hand, I've known kids whose parents forced them to be vegan and they felt so ashamed to have to carry that flag in public, explain to their friends why they couldn't eat meat. And then they felt betrayed once they finally did get to try meat, like they had been deprived all of their short little lives so far.

It seems impossible to predict which direction a given person will lean, and I don't know how to reconcile that.
 

Ceallach

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Most people in America who eat meat still have boundaries. For example, they wouldn't eat a dog. For the average American, eating a dog is unacceptable. It seems morally wrong to them.

If that same person was raised in, for example, Vietnam or something -- Perhaps they'd have been raised eating dogs and consider it perfectly normal.

Since we all have conflicting views on the morality of eating meat, or the morality of eating certain types of meat, isn't it best then to not indoctrinate our young children into eating any of it and let them decide later?
No it is not. That's as much a form of indoctrination as anything! Never mind how much more difficult it is to maintain a vegan diet, how much costlier and riskier but is for a developing body.
 

Jobbs

Banned
forced them to be vegan and they felt so ashamed to have to carry that flag in public, explain to their friends why they couldn't eat meat. And then they felt betrayed once they finally did get to try meat, like they had been deprived all of their short little lives so far.

No no no. I wouldn't do this. I'm not religious about it, and I understand how complicated things are.

All I'm saying is I wouldn't give it to them before they're old enough to understand what it is. Once they're old enough to understand what it is, if they want to eat meat with friends then they can. They just need to make the decision themselves (and understand the decision).
 

SolVanderlyn

Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Okay I've never understood this thing. Or, rather, I understand it less and less as time goes on.

Remember that story where the men bring the woman before Jesus and they're like "we caught her in the middle of adultery!" Never mind that there would have had to be a man in the process too but they left him alone. So Jesus starts drawing all their sins in the dust and says "he without sin can cast the first stone." One by one, everybody sees Jesus write their sins in the dust so they leave. Then Jesus tells the woman to go and be free or whatever.

Ostensibly, it seems like the don't do adultery thing (which we've arbitrarily defined as sex before marriage) is about not lusting after anyone but your spouse. Cool, but the lust happens long before sex ever is performed. So why draw the line at sex?

There are some verses which indicate it's about keeping a couple from getting attached and then tearing apart from each other, having wounds which will never fully heal. But that attachment can happen without the sex ingredient. I've had my heart broken and I've broken the hearts of plenty of people who I didn't have sex with. So why draw the line at sex?

It seems like the real issue here is children. Well not the real issue, but the next thing to worry about after avoiding lust. Except the children problem is essentially solved.

I don't want to make light of the situation you went through. That's tragic. But it's almost entirely avoidable.




That's a perfectly valid experience and I believe it's true for many people. On the other hand, I've known kids whose parents forced them to be vegan and they felt so ashamed to have to carry that flag in public, explain to their friends why they couldn't eat meat. And then they felt betrayed once they finally did get to try meat, like they had been deprived all of their short little lives so far.

It seems impossible to predict which direction a given person will lean, and I don't know how to reconcile that.
Intercourse is a holy and sacred thing and is only permissible through the sacrament of marriage. I'm not willing to waver on the subject. And almost nobody in this era thinks the way I do so I'm pretty much dead in the water there. Might as well go for the vow of celibacy in that case.

I don't bring it up often because it's SO rare in this generation, and so many people try to logically go against it, I don't like arguing and I don't like confrontation, smh I'm a coward. I am very much against sex before marriage though even if most everyone I know does it.
 

SystemBug

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Intercourse is a holy and sacred thing and is only permissible through the sacrament of marriage. I'm not willing to waver on the subject. And almost nobody in this era thinks the way I do so I'm pretty much dead in the water there. Might as well go for the vow of celibacy in that case.

I don't bring it up often because it's SO rare in this generation, and so many people try to logically go against it, I don't like arguing and I don't like confrontation, smh I'm a coward

nah your right. all Abraham religions have that rule. most kids just don't really care now about it if they do follow Christianity for the most part in NA.
 

Granadier

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Nothing holy or sacred about sex IMO. We're just animals with the ability of introspective thought, not some holy beings.
 

Jobbs

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No it is not. That's as much a form of indoctrination as anything! Never mind how much more difficult it is to maintain a vegan diet, how much costlier and riskier but is for a developing body.

Don't take this the wrong way, but the idea that it's dangerous to not feed a developing body meat because there are no nutritious alternatives is ludicrous.

I also don't think avoiding meat is that expensive.
 

Nerdkiller

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Oh my, this thread turned real in a hurry.

But yeah, I do believe that a woman has a right to choose what she can do with her body. And given that it was in your ex's hands, it was probably too much for her to be a single parent, as she might not have been prepared for such a burden at this time.
 
Don't take this the wrong way, but the idea that it's dangerous to not feed a developing body meat because there are no nutritious alternatives is ludicrous.

I also don't think avoiding meat is that expensive.

Holly's experience is colored by having to do a lot more physical exertion than most of the rest of us. There's also the recent tragedy of the woman who tried to climb Mt Everest recently to prove vegans have just as much gusto as omnivores, then sadly died of altitude sickness on the way up.

That said, I think veganism is feasible for most people should they be so inclined.
 

Pau

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Intercourse is a holy and sacred thing and is only permissible through the sacrament of marriage. I'm not willing to waver on the subject. And almost nobody in this era thinks the way I do so I'm pretty much dead in the water there. Might as well go for the vow of celibacy in that case.

I don't bring it up often because it's SO rare in this generation, and so many people try to logically go against it, I don't like arguing and I don't like confrontation, smh I'm a coward. I am very much against sex before marriage though even if most everyone I know does it.
I had the opposite experience, growing up going to Catholic schools. Don't know if those folks kept those ideals in adulthood though.
 

Misha

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Nothing holy or sacred about sex IMO. We're just animals with the ability of introspective thought, not some holy beings.

personally I think a lot of things that are considered sacred came to be due to practical reasons

theres psychological and health reasons for being stingy with sex (though the health reasons matter much less these days and religion is probably too stingy)
 

Jobbs

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Holly's experience is colored by having to do a lot more physical exertion than most of the rest of us. There's also the recent tragedy of the woman who tried to climb Mt Everest recently to prove vegans have just as much gusto as omnivores, then sadly died of altitude sickness on the way up.

That said, I think veganism is feasible for most people should they be so inclined.

Lots of people die climbing everest. Their bodies litter the place. It's scary.

I don't know the details of the story but I don't understand why being a vegan would make her die of altitude sickness, and the idea that you can't be physically active (I am physically active) without meat sounds, again, ludicrous.
 

Misha

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Lots of people die climbing everest. Their bodies litter the place. It's scary.

I don't know the details of the story but I don't understand why being a vegan would make her die of altitude sickness, and the idea that you can't be physically active (I am physically active) without meat sounds, again, ludicrous.

theres a few mma fighters who are vegan
 

SolVanderlyn

Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Oh my, this thread turned real in a hurry.

But yeah, I do believe that a woman has a right to choose what she can do with her body. And given that it was in your ex's hands, it was probably too much for her to be a single parent, as she might not have been prepared for such a burden at this time.
I knew it was a mistake to bring it up, as I disagree entirely, as expected

Whatever

Sorry for bringing it up
 

Granadier

Is currently on Stage 1: Denial regarding the service game future
personally I think a lot of things that are considered sacred came to be due to practical reasons

theres psychological and health reasons for being stingy with sex (though the health reasons matter much less these days and religion is probably too stingy)

Exactly. Pigs are close enough to us that the diseases that infect them can also easily infect us. Hence the belief against eating pigs.
 

Jobbs

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theres a few mma fighters who are vegan

can't build muscle mass, can't have endurance, can't be active, whatever -- unless you have meat -- just displays ignorance of nutrition. I'm not trying to be derisive, that's just technically true.
 

Misha

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somehow my hair tie was around my mouse cord. I guess maybe I had it around my wrist and it slipped forward off the mouse somehow? so weird
 
How do you feel about caveman Spongebob

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Jobbs

Banned
I'm bored and sweating and it's horrid outside. I don't think you're bad people if you eat meat and I hope I didn't annoy you too much with my discussion. Everyone do you.

How do you feel about caveman Spongebob

Is that the meme everywhere? I hate it!! >:|
 
I'm bored and sweating and it's horrid outside. I don't think you're bad people if you eat meat and I hope I didn't annoy you too much with my discussion. Everyone do you.

No, you're being very reasonable. If I appeared to be obstinate or short with you it's just cause I'm trying to pick your brain. Thanks! :)


somehow my hair tie was around my mouse cord. I guess maybe I had it around my wrist and it slipped forward off the mouse somehow? so weird

Cords cause me way more problems than the occasional lapse cordless mice have. I can't stand the feel of having something drag along with the mouse everywhere I move it.
 

zeemumu

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The Everest bodies/trash thing is really sad.

The worst stories are the ones where another group found the person but couldn't get them down the mountain without putting their own lives in danger.

Rainbow valley makes me shudder in fear.
 

Misha

Banned
Cords cause me way more problems than the occasional lapse cordless mice have. I can't stand the feel of having something drag along with the mouse everywhere I move it.
my last cordless mouse was absolute garbage. I should probably pay for a better one but I just went for a cheap corded one instead. its one of those ones with the retractable cord so it does work a bit nicer
Part of my facebook friends are trash?

oh facebook. that explains it
 

SolVanderlyn

Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Turbine power is the future?
 

zeemumu

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I don't want the world to go completely digital. I still prefer buttons of touch pads in some cases. A mouse without the click sound would drive me insane.
Is that the meme everywhere? I hate it!! >:|

Spongebob memes have been on the rise lately. It's caveman Spongebob and that Mr. Krabs meme.
 
I'm bored and sweating and it's horrid outside. I don't think you're bad people if you eat meat and I hope I didn't annoy you too much with my discussion. Everyone do you.
don't feel ashamed for bringing up your views. you did nothing different than anyone else in that regard. just because you're on the vegan side doesn't mean you have to apologize. man there's still so much stigma with this shit :(
 

Jobbs

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I'm ready for all cords to become obsolete already.

Wireless electricity. Let's do it already.

Not exactly related, but In 2014 some nerds teleported a proton. In some future generation things are going to be so cool...

don't feel ashamed for bringing up your views. you did nothing different than anyone else in that regard. just because you're on the vegan side doesn't mean you have to apologize. man there's still so much stigma with this shit :(

Thanks Lea =D

But I annoy myself sometimes because I talk too much. My excuse is I'm watching my nieces and they don't want to do anything but sit around on youtube... So I'm sitting around doing nothing
 

SolVanderlyn

Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I love hot dogs
 
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