That's not what successful means though.
Falcom reportedly expanding the Kiseki games to more platforms (3DS, Smartphones, PC)
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The topic here is more 'successful' rather than development quality, I think.
Stealth20k
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if its sales, very few companies give out exact figures
Okay, you're talking about quality. Nobody else in this thread is.
And yes, sales data is available.
Dark Schala
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Genso Suikoden Tierkreis did not sell very well in the US. "Success" seems to be equivalent to sales.
Mario and Luigi, any of the Pokemon titles, and Dragon Quest IX, I'll give ya.
How well did Dragon Quest IX and Joker 2 do?
Stealth20k
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why? those metroidvania titles were awesome and were as much rpgs as anything. I could keep going, but its boring. But I will give 3 of my all time favorite titles I didnt list ie golden sun 3, glory of heracles V,Radiant Historia
No wonder you were able to think of 125 "good" games.
Stealth20k
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I think for a side game it did well.
I didnt know it sold 200k worldwide though, thats impressive
Stealth20k
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Whats wrong with those titles? Golden Sun 3 was fantastic. ( We are approaching opinion fighting zone here)
lunchwithyuzo
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One wouldn't need to count them get well past a dozen anyway. You could list nearly a dozen Pokémon RPGs alone.
Stealth20k
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All I know that dq IX was the highest selling US main game and joker 2 might of been the highest selling us side
I'm kidding. I haven't played either game, but most of GAF seems to have opinions that run contrary to yours.
Stealth20k
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I didnt want to go that route.
But in terms of pokemon
I didnt like any of the 3 ranger titles
I enjoyed the 2 mystery dungeon gen titles, I liked conquest, I am currently diggin black white 2, and I enjoyed gens 4 and 5, and the remakes of gold silver
Dark Schala
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Dunno about Joker 2, but I swear DQIX sold about 130K in its first month here according to NPD.
Edit: Yeah, kinda.
Not impressive when you take into consideration the sales of previous titles in the series in the US, Rhapsodia in particular. I should really update that graph now that we have numbers for Genso Suikoden: Tsumugareshi Hyakunen no Toki.Stealth20k said:
Wow. :\
I'm a huge fan of the Glory of Heracles games, was super hyped about the DS game, and it disappointed me so much that I was put off of video games entirely for 6 months. I'm surprised that someone likes it enough to call it one of their all-time favorites.
Stealth20k
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Which is fine. I am a huge rpg fanboy, i will be the first to admit that. So I will stand up for them where I can if I think its correct. I wouldnt expect anyone else to be so rpg hardcore
Ah, okay. That's better than I thought.
Don't update it. I want to stay blissfully ignorant about the downward spiral of Suikoden.
I don't even know what to say.
Stealth20k
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different systems and situations ( I hate comparing sales).
Stealth20k
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Ive played them all and honestly it was my second favorite, and one of my favorite rpgs on the ds, I wouldnt joke about it. Sorry you had a bad experience though
Stealth20k
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Anyway let me try and get back on topic.
I love legend of heroes.
Ive important them all but I had to stop because they were too hard to play with my limited japanese knowledge, so I just have them collected.
But trails.........man........what a prologue to the VI trilogy.
If the main game of SC never comes here it will be a huge travesty. To me it would be like How I felt playing shining force 3 part 1 and then nada for part 2 and 3
I love legend of heroes.
Ive important them all but I had to stop because they were too hard to play with my limited japanese knowledge, so I just have them collected.
But trails.........man........what a prologue to the VI trilogy.
If the main game of SC never comes here it will be a huge travesty. To me it would be like How I felt playing shining force 3 part 1 and then nada for part 2 and 3
electroplankton
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Suikoden on DS sold nicely on the US, come on. A spin-off on a Nintendo handheld selling at least 56k in the US is not a flop by any means.
Dragon Quest IX sold a million units in the West.
Stealth20k
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you sure it sold a million, in the west?
The latest figure I saw was somewhere between 500-750k........
@Khold
sorry for triple posting I didnt mean to
Stealth20k
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I own a copy of pretty much every rpg, but yeah I do have it. I gave it a 20 minute shot, and I didnt want to play it anymore. But I have it nearly mint. I cant believe monolith had its good name attached to it
any reason for the question?
Dark Schala
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Edit: Er, anyway, back on-topic.
Branching the series out to other systems is a good thing in the long run, especially for localizations. I really want to play the rest of the games if they're localized.
Those numbers are up to June 2011 or something? I wonder if they've been updated since then.
Branching the series out to other systems is a good thing in the long run, especially for localizations. I really want to play the rest of the games if they're localized.
Ahaha. I thought the PSP game brought some cool stuff to the table for the series. Plus I felt more engaged with it than Tierkreis (which took me three attempts to get through...). Tierkreis had better sound and presentation, though. As of now, though, I think the PSP game has less sales than Tierkreis (82 435). It launched at about 59,800 or so, and Tierkreis launched at 62 835, which is... surprisingly not that bad. I thought it would've did worse.lunch said:
Please do elaborate when/if you get the chance.Stealth20k said:
We've had this discussion before, and we agreed to disagree at that time.electroplankton said:
Those numbers are up to June 2011 or something? I wonder if they've been updated since then.
Stealth20k
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If you are going to post so much fix your avatar. White box was bothering me
how do I fix it?
@Dark Schala
Meaning it doesnt mean too much to me comparing sales of different games because of so many different things that are Incorporated into the sales figures ( Youll learn that about me, I try to avoid sales vs sales fights)
Oh cool, I'll read your write-up then. The first Suikoden is one of my favorite games, but the second hand prices for every other game in the series are absurdly high so I've never played past the first, and everything I've seen of Tierkreis turns me off. I wish the PSP game came out here, but I suppose that's a ridiculous request.
The same way you changed your avatar to begin with.
Lol, it's not "broken" I just dislike the white. You can use the one I posted if you want. I (hastily) cut out the white. Unless I screwed something up.
electroplankton
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Dragon Quest IX sold a million units in the West: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2011/110128e.pdf
IIRC, 358/2 Days and Re:coded sold pretty well in the US (800k and 300k respectively).
Etrian Odyssey sold well and hold nicely entry after entry.
Rune Factory seems to have sold pretty ok as well.
The World Ends With You sold at least 140k in the US which is not bad at all, given also the following it got throughout the years.
Devil Survivor exceeded Atlus expectations (40k versus initial projections of 25k): http://www.siliconera.com/2009/10/06/well-how-many-copies-did-persona-4-and-devil-survivor-sell/
Suikoden sold fine, I mean, it's not that on PS2 and PS1 (where there were mainline Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Star Ocean, Tales of, etc.) had sold way better. For a low budget spin-off that had already sold well in Japan (almost on par with V) they're not bad numbers by any means.
I remember that someone released NPD sales for the month of June some years ago, and it came out that even Knight in the Nightmare could manage to sell 27k during its first month!
Etc.
IIRC, 358/2 Days and Re:coded sold pretty well in the US (800k and 300k respectively).
Etrian Odyssey sold well and hold nicely entry after entry.
Rune Factory seems to have sold pretty ok as well.
The World Ends With You sold at least 140k in the US which is not bad at all, given also the following it got throughout the years.
Devil Survivor exceeded Atlus expectations (40k versus initial projections of 25k): http://www.siliconera.com/2009/10/06/well-how-many-copies-did-persona-4-and-devil-survivor-sell/
Suikoden sold fine, I mean, it's not that on PS2 and PS1 (where there were mainline Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Star Ocean, Tales of, etc.) had sold way better. For a low budget spin-off that had already sold well in Japan (almost on par with V) they're not bad numbers by any means.
I remember that someone released NPD sales for the month of June some years ago, and it came out that even Knight in the Nightmare could manage to sell 27k during its first month!
Etc.
Stealth20k
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Hope that's better.
I forgot about rune factory
I liked 3
@dark, you wont regret it
Ive heard from alot of japanese players that the VI trilogy is the best trilogy of any game series theyve ever played
Trails is literally only the prologue
and Second chapter is the main game
and third is the epilogue
So only having trails is like only getting arc the lad 1, without getting 2 ( which was also the main game)
I forgot about rune factory
I liked 3
@dark, you wont regret it
Ive heard from alot of japanese players that the VI trilogy is the best trilogy of any game series theyve ever played
Trails is literally only the prologue
and Second chapter is the main game
and third is the epilogue
So only having trails is like only getting arc the lad 1, without getting 2 ( which was also the main game)
Not quite.
FC is the first half, SC is the second half.
You can go without 3rd, but if you intend to go beyond the Sora titles and to Zero and Ao, it is absolutely required. It is the bridging story to the next part.
Stealth20k
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Well that was just the way I heard second chapter described.
Third is the epiloge so that makes sense you wouldnt need it..... for the first 2.
But yeah for zero and blue you do need it
nayuta is a ys ish side game so thats stand alone
If I try to play Zero no Kiseki without having played 3rd, will I be confused, or will I just miss out on some crossovers?
Stealth20k
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You can go without 3rd in that SC has an ending that wraps stuff up, but man... 3rd not only bridges into Zero/Ao, it also much more deeply explores stuff from FC/SC. In my opinion, it's still a crucial title, even if you don't plan to go onto Zero and Ao.
Stealth20k
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You should be fine......I mean its like missing some subtext but, it wont be impossible
it reminds me of the parallels between arc the lad 1,2,3
I gathered that by the script picture. My lord
Palette Swap
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Kind of hoping other platforms means PC x XSEED x Steam.
You'll be less lost than you would be if you hadn't played FC/SC, but you'll still be missing quite a lot, especially when you get to Ao.
Stealth20k
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Speaking with tom from xseed has only made me realize it too.
According to him, no small team like this has ever attempted anything close to an rpg with that much text, not atlus, nisa, or aksys
I actually like the way SC ends when you haven't played 3rd. It's a good, settled ending with enough threads to give you an idea of things to come, but it's not a killer 'how many plot threads are still dangling?' sort of ending.
3rd is actually my favorite of the games, story-wise, personally. ...and the three year wait that we had from 3rd to Zero, for me, was incredibly maddening. Primarily because of the fact that what was tied up nice and neat in SC was blown open for you to see in 3rd.
Don't get me wrong, 3rd is an incredible game when it comes to getting detailed information on Zemuria, and while it's a good ending without an actual cliffhanger, you will still be left with so many questions by the time all is finished.
But I do believe that Zero, and ESPECIALLY Ao no Kiseki, require some of this world building information that is brought up in 3rd. Falcom said that you could play Zero without previous knowledge of the series, but I believe that you won't have the impact of the narrative that you would've had otherwise.
Stealth20k
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My favorite is probably trails, since I havent finished any of the ones after it.
But I did enjoy the 3-5 trilogy, which I beat
speaking with tom gives good insite as to why second chapter is in xseed hell
they want to put it on the psp physically, but only if they can get the psn or steam version to work too, but they are having problems on that front
and with a team of less than 5 localizing, its just rough
But I did enjoy the 3-5 trilogy, which I beat
speaking with tom gives good insite as to why second chapter is in xseed hell
they want to put it on the psp physically, but only if they can get the psn or steam version to work too, but they are having problems on that front
and with a team of less than 5 localizing, its just rough
Honestly, let's just face it - you have to play all of the games, in order, because they're all important. The Kiseki series is something that other developers don't try to do because they're so afraid of sales dropoff (and, I suppose to be fair, Falcom is starting to, which is one of the reasons why Nayuta is being made, despite Ao being the best-selling one by far). It's an actual ongoing story with real dependencies on previous games in each new game. And it's one of the things I love it for.
Stealth20k
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I dont think falcom is worried.......
nayuta is just a side game, they were very forthcoming with the fact it was not a main line title
nayuta is just a side game, they were very forthcoming with the fact it was not a main line title