Ghostmaster
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Yep, unless you consider perks and having one of the companions revealed spoilers.
Fallout 4 - Reviews thread
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Yep, unless you consider perks and having one of the companions revealed spoilers.
No story spoilers.
Elder Scrolls sales were similar to Fallout 3 before Skyrim.
Octavianus
Banned
Well it's not like they have anything else going for them.
Admiral Woofington
Member
but they're specifically writing about the narrative and writing ability. I don't compare KOTOR 1 to KOTOR 2 and have "the writing is shitty in KOTOR 1 compared to 2"
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yet the game is still a 9+ in them?
The "score" something most look at... most do not read past that. We are in a generation of 8 second vine videos and news topics that last half a day. It is troubling when there are some games that get a free pass for performance problems, while others will be reflective.
If this game is "more of the same", how the hell is the score the same 6 years later?
Opinions tho.
Patrick Bateman
Member
Nicely done!
Obliterator
Member
This may be the most negative thread for a game with a 90 Metacritic I've ever seen. Well this or MGSV threads probably
The_Darkest_Red
Member
huehuehue
lukeskymac
Member
Disappointed, but not surprised.
I'd like to think you can understand the concept of people liking what you don't, but I don't think you ever will. Yep I spend 100s of hours picking up trash, and I like it. Bethesda/100!
I don't think people get told to shut up when they present well reasoned critiques.
If you come in with a one-liner along the lines of "soulless, unplayable mess that will be eaten up by the gaming press" than sure, people will dismiss you or attack you.
The major issue with GAF (and all large forums for that matter) is that you get way more attention with the hyperbolic one-liner than you would the well reasoned critique.
Also, I don't think what I am talking about is strictly trolling. To me, trolling is trying to get a rise out of people, even if you don't believe what you are saying. There are posters that absolutely hate modern Bethesda (at least post Morrowind) who still dedicate a lot of their energy to posting about them. I don't think they are trolling, because they believe what they are posting (even if things descent into hyperbole at times). However, at some point, you have said your piece and need to move on. Otherwise every thread devolves into shitty posts with negative oneliners vs shitty posts featuring salt memes.
Octavianus
Banned
Why can't you do that?
I know. People like good games. This should have been expected.
If Battlefront reviews well I can easily see that getting a ton of shit as well. Not that is matters it'll sell a lot.
Between this thread, the DF thread. The NPD thread should be fun this week.
You should.
Ghostmaster
Member
KOTOR 2 is one of the most overrated games when it comes to writing, conceptually great, but the execution leaves a whole lot to be desired, even with the restored content mod.
The individual pieces of writing are better than those in KOTOR 1 but the story as a whole is barely, like marginally, better than the one in the original.
LyleLanley
Banned
Now who's being hyperbolic?
BreezyLimbo
Banned
if a game is incredibly fun
if a game is what a reviewer wants
even if that game has some performance issues
you think it's impossible for it to score 9+?
ZombieSupaStar
Member
He at inXile?
Octavianus
Banned
Wel, because..
randomengine
Banned
Hard to say. Certainly the studio was costly, but I don't know if we can ever know for sure because the reason the studio appears to have been shuttered was internal politics and company direction.
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
Except nearly every review is stating the above issues, and giving it top scores regardless based on the game's other merits (and making it clear they are doing so).
I think if Fallout 4 had The Witcher level graphics, there wouldn't be many many non-perfect scores floating about; the tech side of things is definitely holding the MC score where it is (which is still really good at ~90).
I don't even know how to respond to this other than sticking out my tongue and shouting "nah nah nah nah, nah. You're wrong!"
Admiral Woofington
Member
You can do whatever you want, it doesn't make it fair when one studio is known for having pretty amazing writers and another studio isn't. Not to mention these are games that we already have examples of what each studio brings to the table. If you're going to be negatively biased on a review because the writing isn't up to par with what is essentially a spin-off, and that colors the rest of your review?
You should preferably be comparing this to Bethesda's last output if at all, and possibly state that New Vegas continues to be the golden standard. But it seems unnecessary to make a bulletpoint that the writing isn't as good as a title from another studio.
We've got people in here comparing framerate to racism. You're gonna need to help us out.
You're not talking about the scores are you? I assume your talking about the reactions in this thread.
ReadingRambo
Member
"..technical issues are frequent and severe"
-Gametrailers, 9/10
How? The discrepancy between metacritic and impressions here and elsewhere is getting huge. Who to trust??
-Gametrailers, 9/10
How? The discrepancy between metacritic and impressions here and elsewhere is getting huge. Who to trust??
I don't think its unfair, but if you must, then they also wrote about this game also falling short on Fallout 3 which is more comparable.
His Majesty
Banned
Developer of Age of Decadence. Released last month and is doing pretty good.
Papacheeks
Banned
Here's food for thought on the matter That I think you are omitting. That game has gone through so many changes up till it's release in a 4-5 year development cycle.
It changed a lot, was re-developed mid cycle because current version of their engine could not run properly on PS3,360. Then that it got delayed a second time for Ken levine to try and put multiuplayer in. Then that got scrapped and they were still having performance issues. Then they hire outside the company Rod to get the game in shape to ship?
Huge red flag. Also add in people that had been with the company 12+ years left, with some going over to naughty dog. The changes and delay's are because of Ken, and him biting off more than he could chew. People left that place because I think they knew the outcome of how long production was.
The fact it took them almost over a year after the games release to complete the story with DLC. SHows how that game was a great idea in Ken's mind, but he himself was the biggest contributing factor to it being a un-inspired shooter, that IMHO was praised by people like Adam Sessler to try and save the studio.
It changed a lot, was re-developed mid cycle because current version of their engine could not run properly on PS3,360. Then that it got delayed a second time for Ken levine to try and put multiuplayer in. Then that got scrapped and they were still having performance issues. Then they hire outside the company Rod to get the game in shape to ship?
Huge red flag. Also add in people that had been with the company 12+ years left, with some going over to naughty dog. The changes and delay's are because of Ken, and him biting off more than he could chew. People left that place because I think they knew the outcome of how long production was.
The fact it took them almost over a year after the games release to complete the story with DLC. SHows how that game was a great idea in Ken's mind, but he himself was the biggest contributing factor to it being a un-inspired shooter, that IMHO was praised by people like Adam Sessler to try and save the studio.
A title from another studio in the same series.
If Game Freak gave Pokemon Z to a different studio and it was way better than Pokemon X and Y and ORAS in terms of storytelling and writing, then of course I"m going to say that Game Freak needs to step it up.
Don't let another studio represent your series if you aren't prepare to match them when you get off the bench.
I'm not saying those that like the games are incorrect, necessarily. There are people that will like any game. As a fan of JRPGs I'm used to games that I really like getting bad or middling scores, and the thing is I can admit that those things are probably problems, but the games still click with me. I just don't think, given the structure of Bethesda games, improving the writing and particularly the main story would really hinder the game clicking for people like you. It's not like they don't have a main story and I'm telling them to add it. It's there. They're already spending resources on it. You're already ignoring it or not. I'm saying improve that. Make characters memorable. That should help you click with it even more.
I think the annoying thing for some of us is the "It's a Bethesda game, you know what you're getting" as a defense for high scores when it really should mean the game gets lower scores. The fans know what they're getting. They'll still buy it and play it and love it. The critics should critique what's wrong with it, though. As I mentioned, I was a long time fan of JRPGs. Those consistently got pretty middling scores, but I wasn't saying they should get better ones just because you know what you're getting when you pick up a JRPG! I was saying I'm fine with the lower scores and people giving their critiques on how to improve them. Same should go to Bethesda.
The consensus on the game so far seems to be literally "This game has some serious flaws... 9/10" and that's just really strange for me.
Trust that it's just literally Fallout 3 again. It's every Bethesda game we've got before, slightly more or slightly less. The consensus is that not much has changed.
Octavianus
Banned
That's fine.
Have fun role-playing like your favourite developer who create games filled with terrible dialogue, bugs, stories, nonsensical game worlds, high school level model and texture work, etc actuallymakes enjoyable games. I'll be playing actual good games instead.
randomengine
Banned
I won't ring the conspiracy bell. Obviously, people like Bioshock Infinite, but people like shitty games all the time. Nobody I know personally liked Bioshock Infinite. Not me, not my wife (who enjoys story-based shooters) and not my friend who I lended the game after I beat it (also a lover of story-based shooters).
Fallout 4 can get good reviews. It can have tons of fans who enjoy it. What I am interested in, however, is why the game took so long to develop and yet has so little to show for it. That's some bad management.
PeskyToaster
Member
Looks like Bethesda Game Studios is getting that sweet Metacritic bonus reserved for top tier devs.
Admiral Woofington
Member
*shrugs*
I can see the argument on both sides. My point is that unlike taking game mechanics or improvements to the experience from another studio, writing capability isn't something they can improve and reach the highs of Obsidian unless they start hiring people with the capabilities. They had all the time in the world to come up with the writing in this and apparently they failed, so at this point I don't think 'take more time' is even an excuse. I can't think of a Bethesda game where the main story or consequences ever felt as fleshed out as something Obsidian did.
Fine I will! Hmph!
ViewtifulJC
Banned
man
can we take off and bomb this GameFAQs ass thread from orbit
its the only way to be sure
He sounds really bummed about how it turned out, like legit sad.
Mister Negative
Member
It's my favorite part of a game's release on GAF. Game has some issue, people with avatars or names referencing the game take up arms to defend it. Always hilarious.
Mushroomer25
Member
Most people do not care are about technical issues.
Sure, the slice that exists in the Neogaf.com bubble is very sensitive to them. But for the vast majority of players, it's just not something they consider. They're more concerned with the quality and quantity of content, which the game seems to be delivering in droves.
You're not wrong to be turned off by the game for tech issues. Others aren't wrong for not considering them a deal breaker.
