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[Elios83]

Famitsu has asked developers,dealers and gamers which next gen console they're most interested in.These are the results:

Developers:
50 % - PlayStation3
32,1 % - Xbox 2
17,9 % - Nintendo Revolution

Dealers:
73,8 % - PlayStation3
21,3 % - Nintendo Revolution
4,9 % - Xbox 2

Gamers:
53,8 % - PlayStation3
39,5 % - Nintendo Revolution
6,7 % - Xbox 2

The staff has also written a few details on the three systems:

PS3:
State of the art technology.
More than gaming.
Could be introduced on the japanese market at the end of 2005.

Revolution:
New concept and functions,less stress on the technical capabilities.Easy to develop for.

Xenon:
Comfortable development environment thanks to XNA.
RPGs should be available since the introduction on the market.
Smaller than Xbox.

 

[Midas]

Famitsu has asked developers,dealers and gamers which next gen console they're most interested in.These are the results:

Developers:
50 % - PlayStation3
32,1 % - Xbox 2
17,9 % - Nintendo Revolution

So much for the "developers are far more interested in Xbox 2", or whatever it was.

 

[AssMan]

uh oh......

 

[Wario64]

*cue blue dancing banana

 

[Odnetnin]

So much for the "developers are far more interested in Xbox 2", or whatever it was.

OH GOD AT THE NINTENDO NUMBERS THOUGH.

did they say if these developers included western devcos? That would clarify the numbers. I doubt Japans devcos would be more interested in XBOX2 vs N5

 

[paul777]

Let's ask people about systems they know nothing about! Yipeee!

 

[bob_arctor]

The staff has also written a few details on the three systems:

PS3:
State of the art technology.
More than gaming.
Could be introduced on the japanese market at the end of 2005.

Revolution:
New concept and functions,less stress on the technical capabilities.Easy to develop for.

Xenon:
Comfortable development environment thanks to XNA.
RPGs should be available since the introduction on the market.
Smaller than Xbox.

It took a "staff" to write this? I find these quotes interesting, as they underscore the uphill battle MS will always have in Japan:
PS3

State of the art technology.
More than gaming.

Xenon

RPGs should be available since the introduction on the market.
Smaller than Xbox

 

[Izzy]

Bu, bu, but, ....

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Believe it or not - and much as I hate to back up speculative journalism - I know for a fact that almost all of that is completely true.

I guarantee that PS3 is being taken FAR LESS SERIOUSLY by the JAPANESE than Xenon is. Particularly by some of their major partners who have not been respected with the info they've needed for developing top teir product.

 

[belgurdo]

Gamers:
53,8 % - PlayStation3
39,5 % - Nintendo Revolution
6,7 % - Xbox 2

*cry*

 

[Guns N' Poops]

OH GOD AT THE NINTENDO NUMBERS THOUGH.

did they say if these developers included western devcos? That would clarify the numbers. I doubt Japans devcos would be more interested in XBOX2 vs N5

Why? Most of the big japanese publishers look more and more hopeful to the west and this is Xbox's big appearance. Also they might like it more if the developing is easy and doesn't cost that much.
You know what's interesting in this survey - the important developers do know for sure what Revolution's "revolutionary aspect" is at this point and yet they don't seem to be that happy.

 

[lexi]

Bu, bu, but, ....

:lol

 

[Midas]

I like how they point out how the Xbox 2 will be smaller. :lol

 

[radioheadrule83]

Why? Most of the big japanese publishers look more and more hopeful to the west and this is Xbox's big appearance. Also they might like it more if the developing is easy and doesn't cost that much.
You know what's interesting in this survey - the important developers do know for sure what Revolution's "revolutionary aspect" is at this point and yet they don't seem to be that happy.

Nah, there's absolutely no way we can know that.

We don't know how many developers were surveyed, and how many out of those have any idea what Revolution is. Nintendo is notoriously bad at letting people in on their secrets.

I'm reminded of how no-one in the west, and probably some select Japanese devs, didn't have a clue about Nintendo DS until late specs, and it's official unveiling.

Big interest in PS3 all around..

 

[SantaC]

This thread is going to explode, and everybody will focus on how bad Revolution did with the developers.

 

[Kon Tiki]

RPGs should be available since the introduction on the market.

 

[XS+]

So much for the "developers are far more interested in Xbox 2", or whatever it was.

Whoever said developers were more interested in the Xbox2??? That's good for a laugh. Anyway, this puts to rest any delusions of the Xbox2 faring any better in Japan. Don't expect to see Konami and others jump aboard.

 

[MassiveAttack]

Whoever said developers were more interested in the Xbox2??? That's good for a laugh. Anyway, this puts to rest any delusions of the Xbox2 faring any better in Japan. Don't expect to see Konami and others jump aboard.

Or Square Enix for that matter.

 

[Midas]

Whoever said developers were more interested in the Xbox2??? That's good for a laugh. Anyway, this puts to rest any delusions of the Xbox2 faring any better in Japan. Don't expect to see Konami and others jump aboard.

I kinda misquoted. Look at Izzy's post.

 

[Joe]

Whoever said developers were more interested in the Xbox2??? That's good for a laugh. Anyway, this puts to rest any delusions of the Xbox2 faring any better in Japan. Don't expect to see Konami and others jump aboard.

??? you can tell all that just by looking at some numbers determined by retail stores and gamers that know nothing about a system in which they're being asked?

 

[Particle Physicist]

You know what's interesting in this survey - the important developers do know for sure what Revolution's "revolutionary aspect" is at this point and yet they don't seem to be that happy.

or maybe they are just a bit skeptical.

actually, i dont think they know much about the revolution either. nintendo is usually pretty secretive about their hardware.

 

[HokieJoe]

Whoever said developers were more interested in the Xbox2??? That's good for a laugh. Anyway, this puts to rest any delusions of the Xbox2 faring any better in Japan. Don't expect to see Konami and others jump aboard.

From what I've read, MS has shifted it's focus to other markets until they buy Nintendo ;-)

 

[Gaia Theory]

As good as Famitsu is for game coverage, reviews and interviews I always roll my eyes whenever I see them run a poll.

What we don't get to see is HOW MANY developers/dealers/gamers they talk to. If the sample is too small, the figures are meaningless. If they talked to EVERY developer out there, then yeah, it might serve as a good indication, but... Famitsu doesn't ever do polls that thoroughly.

They're pointless and just page filler.

 

[cvxfreak]

Interesting survey to say the least.

 

[joshschw]

if they only were asking Japanese Game Devolpers then those Xbox numbers are pretty damn high. If not then they are not so high.

 

[vangace]

I take it this survey was done in Japan. Japan is pretty much irrelevant at this point for microsoft. They have shown with the Xbox that they can be succesful without the Japanese market.

 

[GashPrex]

good showing for xbox 2 in japan among devs - really showing the difference that next gen could make. Considering the amount of dev support that they currently have, which is somewhere around 10% or less

 

[Deg]

This thread is going to explode, and everybody will focus on how bad Revolution did with the developers.

Compared to the gamers its pretty worrying. Questions will be thrown around such as should they care about what gamers think? Are developers too optimistic? Is it going to happen?

But yeah Famitsu polls are unreliable. Look at how DS and PSP turned out.

 

[soundwave05]

The Japanese market is going to be the same as it was the last two generations, with PS3 far ahead, Nintendo selling about their usual 5 million consoles, and Microsoft scraping by to stay on storeshelves.

 

[CrimsonSkies]

"less stress on the technical capabilities."

Consistent theme on the Revolution.

 

[soundwave05]

I think Sony is going to surprise people with a "comfortable" dev environment for the PS3 as well, it'll just be more powerful than the XBox 2 on top of that. My feeling is that's a big reason they went with Nvidia.

 

[Deg]

"less stress on the technical capabilities."

Consistent theme on the Revolution.

Shows you what developers are like. Most people still think they are all knowing.

I think Sony is going to surprise people with a "comfortable" dev environment for the PS3 as well, it'll just be more powerful than the XBox 2 on top of that. My feeling is that's a big reason they went with Nvidia.

Hard to beat MS IMO.

 

[soundwave05]

If you're a Japanese dev, though the PS3 is going to have probably about 20-25 million userbase in Japan alone for you. Xenon is going to be lucky to get 3-4 million.

End of story right there.

I think PS3 will be easier to get up and running than the PS2 was and Sony will make efforts to get a good design environment, that will be good enough for every developer (well aside from Tecmo).

 

[DCharlie]

"I think Sony is going to surprise people with a "comfortable" dev environment for the PS3 as well, it'll just be more powerful than the XBox 2 on top of that. My feeling is that's a big reason they went with Nvidia."

wasn't the PS3 going to crush the XB2 without Nvidia anyways?

 

[soundwave05]

Power wise I think the PS3 will be more powerful than the Xenon platform.

But the Nvidia GPU in addition to the CELL may give some developers a bit stronger bearing on the platform right out of the gates than the PS2 which was entirely propietary basically.

I really don't think "ease of programming" is as big of an issue. People make a huge fuss about it before the systems come out, but when they actually do come out then its all about what really matters -- userbase.

How often do you hear about ease of development these past two years concerning the PS2/XBox/GCN? Not a whole lot.

It's an issue people play up like some kind of trump card because its one of the few areas the PS2 had a bad rep in and people assume Sony is always going to make the same mistakes.

 

[DCharlie]

"Power wise I think the PS3 will be more powerful than the Xenon platform.

But the Nvidia GPU in addition to the CELL may give some developers a bit stronger bearing on the platform right out of the gates than the PS2 which was entirely propietary basically.

I really don't think "ease of programming" is as big of an issue. People make a huge fuss about it before the systems come out, but when they actually do come out then its all about what really matters -- userbase.

How often do you hear about ease of development these past two years concerning the PS2/XBox/GCN. Not a whole lot.

It's an issue people play up like some kind of trump card because its one of the few areas the PS2 had a bad rep in and people assume Sony is always going to make the same mistakes."

well, the big issue for Sony is if the PS3 launch ends up being some time behind the XB2, and if the XB2 *IS* much easier to develop for, then the power issue maybe irrelevant.

Regardless of the fact that i don't think there is going to be much/any difference between the results that both machines produce, if XBox2 does end up being weaker, but it's theoretically possible that, due to easy of coding, the graphics/ability of the machine may appear on par or beyond that of the PS3.

With EA already on board for the XB2 launch, and lots of discussion and rumours about other big names signing on with MS, as well as some crazy rumours about dev costs/licensing, then MS might be playing the right cards....

but then again, given their handling of the last gen in Japan, it's hard to have much faith until the cards are on the table.

 

[soundwave05]

I think Sony is quite fine if PS3 is only slightly more powerful than the Xenon. The bottom line is even if both machines are identical in hardware power, it plays to Sony's advantage, since XBox had that advantage last time over the PS2 and now they don't have it anymore.

So no more buying the XBox version of any multiplatform game just because it might have slightly better graphics/image quality. If anything, Sony might have that advantage now in addition to other advantages they already have (the market leading brand recoginition, the Sony brand "aura", backwards compaibility, the overwhelming Japanese developer support, etc.).

I think you will see Sony look very carefully at what advantages Microsoft has over them currently, and they will coldly and methodically pick those apart. PSOne and PS2 for instance didn't really have a flagship FPS franchise. I bet that will change with the PS3 for instance.

 

[DCharlie]

"So no more buying the XBox version of any multiplatform game just because it might have slightly better graphics/image quality. If anything, Sony might have that advantage now in addition to other advantages they already have (the market leading brand recoginition, the Sony brand "aura", backwards compaibility, the overwhelming Japanese developer support, etc.)."

Well, that all depends on how much people care about online and, more specifically, the quality of the online service. If Madden 06 on PS3 and XB2 is identical, but Madden is now fully integrated into Live, which one do you go for?

"I think you will see Sony look very carefully at what advantages Microsoft has over them currently, and they will coldly and methodically pick those apart. PSOne and PS2 for instance didn't really have a flagship FPS franchise. I bet that will change with the PS3 for instance."

We already know it is - Insomniac's FPS game. By the same token, i'd like to think MS are looking at how they can better perform and take some of the sting out of Sony's machine. EA on board from the start is certainly a start.

 

[Jonnyram]

I really don't think "ease of programming" is as big of an issue. People make a huge fuss about it before the systems come out, but when they actually do come out then its all about what really matters -- userbase.

I disagree. The PS2 is the only machine which could feasibly be labelled "hard to program" this gen, and thanks to a (nearly) 2 year headstart and a landslide of hype, developers really had no choice. Had the Xbox or GC hit the market at the same time as PS2, things could have been different, at least.

 

[Axsider]

I guarantee that PS3 is being taken FAR LESS SERIOUSLY by the JAPANESE than Xenon is. Particularly by some of their major partners who have not been respected with the info they've needed for developing top teir product.

Oh god....what a fuc**** bullshit!
Xenon = doomed in japan!
Fact!
PS3 = Victory