[FandomWire]One Rumored Feature of Xbox Prime Can Kill Sony by Attracting 908 Million PC Users Living on Pure Nostalgia With Old-Gen Games
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How well can that steam deck play new high end games on a 65” tv? Is the resolution and frame rate good?
Well if your answer is not great or even at all. That’s the reason.
apocaliptic
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You know in a couple of years I will revive this thread. What were you saying 
Coloress_Kafka
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I don't believe in having a single device that fits all my needs so my Steam Deck only plays games from the PS360 era. But it's a handheld so I like being able to unplug from the TV and play Fallout 3 on the go. The main PC has a 4070 TI which is fine for PC exclusives and I have a PS5 Pro for console gaming.
At no point do I find this mix of hardware to be challenging to manage and I seriously doubt there's huge demand for a single box that plays Steam and Xbox games.
Varteras
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I went through a rollercoaster of emotions reading this. Thank you for making me feel again
bigdad2007
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MS allowing Steam wouldn’t be Xbox dominance. It would mean the end of Xbox. Why exactly would Valve agree to share revenue with MS? They already have a near monopoly on PC gaming and have put huge investments into Linux/Proton support for windows games on their own OS. Why exactly does Valve need MS?
Why would MS want to support a company that is working pretty hard to compete with their own platform? Windows is the golden goose, I just can’t image MS working with someone who directly competes with them in that area. To do so would be a massive sign that the entire windows platform is at risk. Which would mean the end of MS as we know it.
Why would MS want to support a company that is working pretty hard to compete with their own platform? Windows is the golden goose, I just can’t image MS working with someone who directly competes with them in that area. To do so would be a massive sign that the entire windows platform is at risk. Which would mean the end of MS as we know it.
playbignbox
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Well, many people prefer the PlayStation over the Xbox because of its library (at least that's what they say here).
If the next Xbox has access to Steam's giant library (which includes Sony's own games), Xbox will really be more attractive in terms of library.
Now, whether it will sell more than PlayStation is another story.
If the next Xbox has access to Steam's giant library (which includes Sony's own games), Xbox will really be more attractive in terms of library.
Now, whether it will sell more than PlayStation is another story.
RetroGamingUK
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pasterpl
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Don’t have to wait till 2028, it is happening now, we are getting lots of unoptimised games on consoles this gen.
Ritsumei2020
Who did they think I was shilling for?
Retro did you have the DC-NGPC link cable?
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RetroGamingUK
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Retro did you have the DC-NGPC link cable?
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RCX
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Xbox is a large third party publisher. Thats all
Selling a piece of subsidized hardware that players will then use to buy their games on someone else's storefront (steam) is the fucking dumbest business plan of all time. Which makes me absolutely certain that MS is going to do it.
Honestly, I'd buy it if its solidly powerful and reasonably priced. PC hardware is painfully expensive RN so if Phil and the boys want to help me out while also taking a massive financial hit then by all means, thankyou and be my guest.
Selling a piece of subsidized hardware that players will then use to buy their games on someone else's storefront (steam) is the fucking dumbest business plan of all time. Which makes me absolutely certain that MS is going to do it.
Honestly, I'd buy it if its solidly powerful and reasonably priced. PC hardware is painfully expensive RN so if Phil and the boys want to help me out while also taking a massive financial hit then by all means, thankyou and be my guest.
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Crew511A
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Except it will be a PC that Microsoft will block you from using apps they don't like as they did when they closed off our access to Retroarch on the Series consoles.
Orbital2060
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908 million PC users
Humdinger
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But OP is talking about attracting PC players. PC players already have access to Steam (and Xbox games). Where's the value added in them getting an Xbox-branded machine?
I could see this device potentially attracting some small percentage of console-only gamers, if -- and this is a huge "if" -- they create a console-like (plug-and-play) experience. I don't think that will happen, though.
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Ar¢tos
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Yes...
1. Sell hardware at a loss
2. Take no cut from software sales because they are bought through Steam
3. ????
4. Win and crush Playstation!
Sabejita
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Why are people using chatgpt to summarize when it adds stuff not in the article?
- 67% of these players still play games that are over six years old, showing a strong demand for retro and classic titles. People playing Fortnite shows that?
- Many PC gamers rely on old platforms or emulators to enjoy classic games. Where does it say that?
LimanimaPT
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Is this a Sony is doomed thread?
HeisenbergFX4
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1. What makes you so sure Xbox is going to subsidize this "console"?
Ar¢tos
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Outside of Nintendo, how many consoles are sold at profit from the start?
HeisenbergFX4
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No idea but IF there is a higher end Xbox/PC hybrid "console" its highly likely Xbox isn't the one taking that risk
Horseganador
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Ar¢tos
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Even if it has a small profit per unit, that's a one time profit, certainly not enough to keep a business going.
diffusionx
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The quality of discussion on this forum has absolutely reached gutter level and threads like this are an indication of why.
The AI summary for the people who can't think or read is the icing on the cake.
The AI summary for the people who can't think or read is the icing on the cake.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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We should bring back the poll tax, but exclusively for games journalists. Set it to $50 per article after a violation of common sense & decency; increase it by $25 every future article for every violation of the same.
Somehow we gotta get standards back into Western games journalism, this could be the start.
Somehow we gotta get standards back into Western games journalism, this could be the start.
Because that's over 9000
mayham2199
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Didn't Phil already say something about subsidizing consoles doesn't make sense anymore or something similar to that. I can't find the quote anymore so I'm not sure. I do remember him mentioning subsidizing consoles though and making it seem like he doesn't want to do that anymore.
Baemono
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If Microsoft PR can convince OEMs that putting an Xbox logo on their device will attract people, they'd be true marketing wizards
OmegaSupreme
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I suppose if you count absolutely everything in existence that runs some sort of windows os? I work on cranes and they have windows so they probably count too lmao908 million PC users
Totally, getting rammed by Sony this whole gen was the master plan from Uncle Phil to get Daddy's Satya attention and allow him to create this super innovative piece of gaming device (Nintendo Switch?, please... Steam Deck, who knows you?) that will obliterate the competition once and for all
Truly a 6D chess move...
Truly a 6D chess move...
Mephisto40
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It's not really an xbox at the point it's running steam games is it, it's just an xbox branded PC
mayham2199
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If MS really does offload all of the console\PC development to other hardware manufacturers they could be convinced if MS can show them that at least 20 million of their 30 million users will buy it. That's a lot more than those handhelds are selling.
BlackTron
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Heisenberg007
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The cope about this thing is so retarded!
Lets break this down. Essentially the fan-wank dream is basically a PC that also plays legacy Xbox games and attaches to Xbox services.
So basically any half decent PC on the market now with emulation software installed. Whoopity doo!
I guess a big part of the fantasy is also that despite it -by definition of being a console- will be (1) Cheaper than a PC, (2) more streamlined than a PC.
The first isn't going to happen because by making it essentially a PC, the whole subsidization model used by consoles no longer works because there's no reason to be strictly bound to Xbox branded content. Also if this thing is being farmed out MSX-style to OEM's they've got zero reason to price the rest of their product range out of competition just so MS can upsell its products!
The second is just stupid because if the thing is essentially capable of running Win32, it can only be "streamlined" by arbitrarily locking off most of the functionality and versatility of systems employing the full OS! Meaning it'll be more of a gimped, locked-down PC, where half the options basically are unusable because it doesn't have the hardware to support the full range of function. It also adds an interesting scenario wherein one of the biggest banes of current PC gaming, the need to compile shaders and the stutter that results, might reappear. As rather its hard to pre-bundle them if there's variation in models/drivers!
Lets break this down. Essentially the fan-wank dream is basically a PC that also plays legacy Xbox games and attaches to Xbox services.
So basically any half decent PC on the market now with emulation software installed. Whoopity doo!
I guess a big part of the fantasy is also that despite it -by definition of being a console- will be (1) Cheaper than a PC, (2) more streamlined than a PC.
The first isn't going to happen because by making it essentially a PC, the whole subsidization model used by consoles no longer works because there's no reason to be strictly bound to Xbox branded content. Also if this thing is being farmed out MSX-style to OEM's they've got zero reason to price the rest of their product range out of competition just so MS can upsell its products!
The second is just stupid because if the thing is essentially capable of running Win32, it can only be "streamlined" by arbitrarily locking off most of the functionality and versatility of systems employing the full OS! Meaning it'll be more of a gimped, locked-down PC, where half the options basically are unusable because it doesn't have the hardware to support the full range of function. It also adds an interesting scenario wherein one of the biggest banes of current PC gaming, the need to compile shaders and the stutter that results, might reappear. As rather its hard to pre-bundle them if there's variation in models/drivers!
HRK69
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No matter how many emulators you throw on your rig, you’ll never get that tight, smooth, and hassle free experience that a console provides
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Baemono
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Then the generation after they'll release the pure console version of their Xbox-PC, reinventing the Xbox console
Fess
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Trojan horse to enter the living room without having to manufacture and sell and advertise their own Steam machine hardware.
For real, Valve is the real winner. If the next Xbox is a Windows PC in a console shell that is powerful enough to run Steam versions with decent visual quality and framerates, then Valve will get 99% of the software cake and in the long run that’s where the money is.