[FandomWire]One Rumored Feature of Xbox Prime Can Kill Sony by Attracting 908 Million PC Users Living on Pure Nostalgia With Old-Gen Games

Humdinger

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Trojan horse to enter the living room without having to manufacture and sell and advertise their own Steam machine hardware.

For real, Valve is the real winner. If the next Xbox is a Windows PC in a console shell that is powerful enough to run Steam versions with decent visual quality and framerates, then Valve will get 99% of the software cake and in the long run that’s where the money is.

Yeah, this seems like a great deal for Steam.
 

diffusionx

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Trojan horse to enter the living room without having to manufacture and sell and advertise their own Steam machine hardware.

For real, Valve is the real winner. If the next Xbox is a Windows PC in a console shell that is powerful enough to run Steam versions with decent visual quality and framerates, then Valve will get 99% of the software cake and in the long run that’s where the money is.
This is why the Xbox won't be that.

Nobody has ever put forward an argument as to why Microsoft would do so much free work for Valve's benefit and get nothing in return.
 
This is why the Xbox won't be that.

Nobody has ever put forward an argument as to why Microsoft would do so much free work for Valve's benefit and get nothing in return.

Windows gaming is the answer. It would be a hedge against Linux.

Also, they could still sell peripherals and advertise their stuff and push gamepass. I would still use XBOX store and get some stuff Steam that's PC only. Plus it would help them from a legislative perspective as a huge bullet point for competitive practices.
 

diffusionx

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Windows gaming is the answer. It would be a hedge against Linux.

Also, they could still sell peripherals and advertise their stuff and push gamepass. I would still use XBOX store and get some stuff Steam that's PC only. Plus it would help them from a legislative perspective as a huge bullet point for competitive practices.

lol no. You are grasping for straws. These are not real reasons, for one simple reason. Microsoft can do all of these things now with the PC, and they do all of them. We are talking about MS investing billions of dollars to release some stupid Xbox frankenstein PC in order to funnel people towards Steam. That shit makes NO sense.
 
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Fess

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Yeah, this seems like a great deal for Steam.
Yeah. Question is, how is it great for Microsoft? Normally it takes a couple years for a console to break even on r&d and production costs, unless it’s too expensive. So Microsoft will lose money on the hardware and lose money on 3rd party software since 99% will buy games on Steam instead of Xbox store and will lose 30% on their own games and lose money on online gaming paywalls since nobody on PC want that.
How will they make any money?? Gamepass PC subs and controllers?
 
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Fess

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Can't see a PC bro ever being interested in an Xbox.
I would be interested if it combines Steam and Epic Games Store and Battle Net and Ubisoft and Gamepass etc in a slick 360-blades UI.

But the hardware will probably be much much worse than the PCs I currently have so I would be more interested in a PC solution if they bring the UI to Xbox App and make it boot into that with zero keyboard/mouse requirement.
 
Microsoft is a giant and have been around forever and it's like there's egos in the background who can't fantom that's it's over for traditional console development and just call it a day and go third party. Around 2000 SEGA released that weird meta-RPG Dreamcast game Segagaga. A 'SEGA simulation' about saving the company and taking the piss out of itself while SEGA was on the ropes at the time. Microsoft would never try that, way too serious.
 

Bry0

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lol no. You are grasping for straws. These are not real reasons, for one simple reason. Microsoft can do all of these things now with the PC, and they do all of them. We are talking about MS investing billions of dollars to release some stupid Xbox frankenstein PC in order to funnel people towards Steam. That shit makes NO sense.
It makes sense to me, I think you are missing the forest for the trees. Windows losing market share because gamers are using steamOS would be a disaster. We already have OEMs like Lenovo and hp entertaining the idea on handhelds.
 
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lol no. You are grasping for straws. These are not real reasons, for one simple reason. Microsoft can do all of these things now with the PC, and they do all of them. We are talking about MS investing billions of dollars to release some stupid Xbox frankenstein PC in order to funnel people towards Steam. That shit makes NO sense.

What makes less sense is continuing to fund a loss leading XBOX after you already make all your games 3rd party.
 

laynelane

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Xbox has been making some big moves lately, acquiring studios and pushing for the complete eradication of platform exclusivity – ensuring that their games are available on all platforms, day one.

How noble of them. :messenger_grinning_smiling:

Also, given the current state of Xbox hardware, it might be time to drop the Xbox vs. Sony fantasy.

Articles like this really remind me why I've given up on gaming media sites. They seem to be mostly written by people who have no idea what they're talking about and often come across as undisclosed ads.
 

diffusionx

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It makes sense to me, I think you are missing the forest for the trees. Windows losing market share because gamers are using steamOS would be a disaster. We already have OEMs like Lenovo and hp entertaining the idea on handhelds.
Windows isn't losing market share to SteamOS, Steam Deck isn't that popular (maybe 5 million?) and most of the people with one also have a Windows PC.

What makes less sense is continuing to fund a loss leading XBOX after you already make all your games 3rd party.
The most likely andbest option for them is to get out of the gaming hardware business altogether.
 

Bry0

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Windows isn't losing market share to SteamOS, Steam Deck isn't that popular (maybe 5 million?) and most of the people with one also have a Windows PC.


The most likely andbest option for them is to get out of the gaming hardware business altogether.
“Would be a disaster”
head it off at the pass. You don’t seem to have a better explanation
 

Humdinger

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Yeah. Question is, how is it great for Microsoft? Normally it takes a couple years for a console to break even on r&d and production costs, unless it’s too expensive. So Microsoft will lose money on the hardware and lose money on 3rd party software since 99% will buy games on Steam instead of Xbox store and will lose 30% on their own games and lose money on online gaming paywalls since nobody on PC want that.
How will they make any money?? Gamepass PC subs and controllers?

Yeah, I don't really know what they are thinking.

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Yeah. Question is, how is it great for Microsoft? Normally it takes a couple years for a console to break even on r&d and production costs, unless it’s too expensive. So Microsoft will lose money on the hardware and lose money on 3rd party software since 99% will buy games on Steam instead of Xbox store and will lose 30% on their own games and lose money on online gaming paywalls since nobody on PC want that.
How will they make any money?? Gamepass PC subs and controllers?

I'm also wondering about gamepass. With this hybrid device do Xbox players now get to pay Xbox PC game pass prices? Seems like MS will lose a ton of money there.
 

diffusionx

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“Would be a disaster”
head it off at the pass. You don’t seem to have a better explanation
I explained it. Your idea is that:

1. Microsoft needs to spend billions of dollars on this "Xbox PC", even though
2. The vast majority of benefits and money will end up flowing to Steam/Valve, and
3. If they don't do that, Valve will end up getting way more money in the PC

Is so idiotic I can't believe I am continuing to waste my time talking to you.

"we need to enrich Valve or else Valve will end up getting rich"
 

Bry0

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I explained it. Your idea is that:

1. Microsoft needs to spend billions of dollars on this "Xbox PC", even though
2. The vast majority of benefits and money will end up flowing to Steam/Valve, and
3. If they don't do that, Valve will end up getting way more money in the PC

Is so idiotic I can't believe I am continuing to waste my time talking to you.

"we need to enrich Valve or else Valve will end up getting rich"
Nope, so many assumptions being made here. Where did “billions” come from? If anything this allows MS to significantly lower r&d and the hardware doesn’t even need to be custom because it’s literally a Xbox branded prebuilt at its core, they could even ditch the Xbox os and fold it into the windows base. I doubt they will even bother to subsidize the cost. Why do you think Microsoft wants win32 to be the main development environment? Why are they so focused on streamlining handheld interfaces for windows? It’s about windows platform dominance. Look at the direction the market is shifting. The last thing they want is to compete with Sony and valve PLATFORMS. Who cares if people use steam if they are using steam on windows and buying Sony games on windows? The walled Xbox garden is dead, this is how they divest from Xbox while still controlling the leading platform that everyone plays pc games on.
 
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Crayon

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Trojan horse to enter the living room without having to manufacture and sell and advertise their own Steam machine hardware.

For real, Valve is the real winner. If the next Xbox is a Windows PC in a console shell that is powerful enough to run Steam versions with decent visual quality and framerates, then Valve will get 99% of the software cake and in the long run that’s where the money is.

Seriously. Valve has every reason to want this and ms should have none.
 

Fess

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I'm also wondering about gamepass. With this hybrid device do Xbox players now get to pay Xbox PC game pass prices? Seems like MS will lose a ton of money there.
Yeah. If they fully pull out of traditional consoles, and move onto the PC-in-a-console-shell strategy, then Ultimate won’t be needed for anyone to get day 1 games or the console+PC combo.
Ultimate will only be needed for cloud streaming. Not the best selling point…

So at that point, expect 1) a price increase for PC Gamepass, or 2) a complete removal of that PC tier, or 3) day 1 to be taken away from PC Gamepass to just be on Ultimate.

However, they’ll get extra money from PlayStation and Switch/Switch 2 gamers now, so if Microsoft’s games get successful there I guess it’s possible that it could pay for parts of these strategy changes.

But they’re doing big cuts here. I don’t understand how they plan to pay for it all. Look at any earnings report, content and services is where they make most money. And that’s where the losses will be seen if Steam is on the dashboard and no online paywall exist.
 
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