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Federal judge grants stay on Trump ban for people who landed in U.S. with valid visas
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Ragnar Blackmane
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Weimar republic judiciary was relatively strong too, the breaking point is always how far the executive/legislative is willing to go to disable them.
If the executive/legislative start stripping the judicative of their power and disabling them and all the courts can do is to judge them illegal, and those judgements are ignored by the government and governmental institutions (something the Polish government was trying to do a few months ago) and the civilian population is not rising up in support, it totally is possible to turn the judiciary from a balance of power against you to a bunch of henchmen and yes-men that turn every political court case into a show and judge exactly as you want them to. Might be alot harder to do with how entrenched the balance of power system in the US is, but we will see how far Bannon and Trump are willing to go and how willing the Senate/Congress republicans are willing to bend over to protect their careers over what is obviously wrong and undemocratical. Bannon definitely wants courts disabled, he is a facist neo-nazi after all and is on record saying he wants to dismantle democracy (the big reason why him getting so much power is extremely frightening).
I know that, I was making fun of how many lawsuits and cases against Trump have been made in the past in conjunction with him talking about not settling them because he'll continue to be sued...usually before settling them like the aforementioned Trump University.
The point is that I hope his presidency sees even more lawsuits.
You give them far too much credit.
balladofwindfishes
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Considering the massive protest that popped up in a matter of hours after the EO was passed... this doesn't seem likely.
BronzeWolf
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Jebus, wtf is wrong with these people. Most CBP personnel are recent immigrants. We even call them "el emigrado" (The immigrated) around here. Fuck you got mine indeed
Frozenprince
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Well thats not really a surprise. They make up their own shit as they go.
Strap up with what?
What the fuck is this?
Coriolanus
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pretty sure that's a crime.
StrategyFan
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is this enough for impeachment?
The state and federal court system is vast beyond comprehension for most people who think of the machinery in terms of the Supreme Court. It's staffed with thousands of judges. Most legislatures at both levels are stocked with lawyers. America has a history dating to its inception as one obsessed with the quagmire that is the law.
They won't be able to do the bolded. It's paranoia beyond rationality to entertain this as possible. Perspective is necessary in these times.
less awesome news.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
In his interviews and writings, Bannon clearly believes himself some kind of anarchist chessmaster with an aim to bring about chaos. Trump is nowhere near smart enough to think past one step. Bannon, I would suspect of coming up with actual sinister plots.
They were pretty quick to comply with that poorly thought out executive order, though
He has already committed several impeachable offenses. His proposed tariff is WAY in excess of what is allowed under international law, and is in violation of multiple treaties. He is in violation of the emoluments clause. Republicans are doing NOTHING.
sunshine and gasoline
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What the fuck. Horrendous. Lock them up.
Trump and Co. just put out an EO without any regards to the logistics of its implementation and without any concern for constitutionality. ANYTHING is possible, we have so much to lose by saying otherwise
Maybe the White House is telling them to do this?
I'm sure Bannon believes a lot of things.
stuminus3
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I'm really not buying this "straight from the fascist's playbook" stuff anymore.
I suspect this will be a trend for Trump's EOs when they reach the court, and Trump's team will then look for ways to strip them of power.
Hell yeah! Gonna be an interesting year of legal battles
Dash_Riprock
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indeed. people need to stop thinking of the GoP as brilliant Machiavellians. They're not, as their inability to decide what to do about ACA shows.
This has been the Dems biggest flaw for a long time now: They keep overestimating the GoP's actions as some kind of long game when its really stupidity and shortsightedness.
Anything is not possible and you risk losing touch with reality to believe the contrary.
Trump is not literally Hitler looking for a Reichstag fire And Bannon is not some unholy real life version of a fictional genius plotting ten steps ahead.
He's an immature irrational bigoted political novice, surrounded by bigoted political novices, who have demonstrated (among many things) a ridiculous level of inexperience for how EOs work or how government functions. From a purely legal view, his EOs are clumsy, and besides the one at issue today, they've been impotent messes that achieve little beyond signalling his stance on issues.
Fight the battles that exist. The judiciary isn't going away or getting defanged.
Nope. And the sports thing is just another example of how insane it is.
OriginofHysteria
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It's wonderful seeing everyone protest this bullshit. Keep protesting, keep calling your congressman, make these guys bend and break.
Takings page out of Trump's book, America stopped being great when all this bullshit came around. Now we're gonna throw Make America Great Again back in his face.
Takings page out of Trump's book, America stopped being great when all this bullshit came around. Now we're gonna throw Make America Great Again back in his face.
These protests? This activism in the face of tyranny and despotism?
THIS is how you really "make America great again".
Vicetrailia
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Yeah, Trump is in a position he's not skilled to handle yet. His business behaviors and celeb mindset has done him no favors on the world stage, it's incompatible.
Gotta give him and Bannon credit for what they actually are: very foolish.
Gotta give him and Bannon credit for what they actually are: very foolish.
Got my donation in for today, this guy is matching up to 10k.
https://twitter.com/mattwigham/status/825545419258093568
https://twitter.com/mattwigham/status/825545419258093568
fluffydelusions
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Gaf, has anyone seen this on TV?
https://twitter.com/Jess4_RK/status/825358392575266816
https://twitter.com/Jess4_RK/status/825358392575266816
BronzeWolf
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WTF is wrong with CBP!
They are risking it for Trump?
They are risking it for Trump?
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Marvel needs to do a ton with kamala khan now
Operations
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This is far from over. Bannon is just getting started. A fed judge reversal was to be expected. If they successfully tip the SCOTUS in their favor and this ends up being decided at that level who knows what might happen.
Hooolleeeeeee fuck.
CrocMother
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Amazing
Customs is apparently refusing to comply with the Court order, meaning they will continue to detain those who would be affected
First thing I thought when I read the headlines about this, is, they're refuse to comply and do it anyways. I'm sad but not shocked.
Where do we go from here? What do we do when the executive branch decides to totally ignore the judicial?
Frozenprince
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Considering that ignoring a court mandate is a federal felony?
A shitload of people should be going directly to jail.
Do not pass go.
Do not collect $200.
In reality? I have no idea, this is completely uncharted waters to me.
Host Samurai
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Holy shit. It begins
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