Simply pointing at society and toxic masulinity as a whole is also not a solution or data either.
What data do I need? The fact that it even happens is disgusting. There's no threshold of acceptability. No "only 3 people have done it this year and been publicly report, that's ok I guess".
And I have suggested solutions. Limit alcohol, or just not allow it. Be more restrictive on how many people can be in a room. Maybe not hold late night panels focused on perverse content at supposedly all-ages conventions so as to not attract people who might be gross.
You think yourself a gardener, but you have no power. You are simply the neighbor across the street yelling at the gardener to tend to his lawn. As such you scream and you scream, and you fail to notice the orchard of trees extending across the land. You fail to notice that these trees have no gardeners. You may cut down a tree, but by the time you do you realize the forest has enveloped you. And by the time you cut down one tree, the forest has already shed its pollen which has been blown by the wind to affect lands far away from you. And those trees will soon spread their seed. You were too focused on the branch, that you missed the forest.
This issue is one that is deeply ingrained in the human condition in general. Those at these conventions what are they first, geeks or people? There's more chance of these sorts of things happening because there's a higher concentration of males, them being mostly geeks is entirely arbitrary.
You think limiting alcohol will prevent this? Just like Hyuga used alcohol for his scapegoat, so are you.
Simply pointing at society and toxic masulinity as a whole is also not a solution or data either.
What data do I need? The fact that it even happens is disgusting. There's no threshold of acceptability. No "only 3 people have done it this year and been publicly report, that's ok I guess".
And I have suggested solutions. Limit alcohol, or just not allow it. Be more restrictive on how many people can be in a room. Maybe not hold late night panels focused on perverse content at supposedly all-ages conventions so as to not attract people who might be gross.
Which why people are saying its a problem with society.Deeply ingrained in the human condition? Humans basically start as a blank slate. You're not toxic from birth by default. Gamers and whatnot are absorbing this attitude from somewhere, and unless their family is like this the only real other place to get it from is the community and friends - who probably introduced them to the mindset.
He still did it regardless. I'm not saying he's a naturally bad person and he seems likeable when you see him on stream, but he still committed a crime and you can't just pin down alcohol or drugs or anything that clouds your judgment as the cause because you are liable to your actions and it is your responsibility to keep your head straight to prevent yourself from doing harmful things like this.
We do not live in a forest, we live in a neighbourhood full of different individuals and everyone is trying to keep this tree on public property from growing out of control onto their respective properties.
Do not make excuses. You simply just wish to do nothing. You don't want to be a gardener, someone else can sort it out. You'll yell from your window "wow, someone needs to do something about that tree, it's growing into my backyard and I don't want to keep maintaining it". Before long after not maintaining the branch you just start ignoring it, pushing it out of the way when you walk past. Your backyard is a mess, but what can you do? That tree's still there.
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Deeply ingrained in the human condition? Humans basically start as a blank slate. You're not toxic from birth by default. Gamers and whatnot are absorbing this attitude from somewhere, and unless their family is like this the only real other place to get it from is the community and friends - who probably introduced them to the mindset.
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What an asshole.
Being drunk is no excuse, not if it happens once and especially not if it happens TWICE.
On a different note; did her BF sleep through all of this??
Yes he is... But there is no reason that he should be for the rest of his life. if he gets help, he can hopefully change his ways.. This is only one side of a person.. It's an ugly side, but it should be a side of him He can get rid off.. Hopefully.Well, I am.
I'm sorry but if you molest somene you're a terrible person.
You're trying to claim that geeks are likely sexually assault people due to them being socially awkward or sexually deprived so I would say that requires data.
The TOs and community can't control what people drink or where they sleep on their own time.
Which why people are saying its a problem with society.
Im sorry are you saying I should do something
I am trying to do something by trying to explain that scapegoating the geek culture as being a problem(or in this case, the fighting game culture) is short-sighted.
See, I used descriptive text to hopefully paint a picture you could visualize to understand the bigger picture at play here, and why scapegoating one subset of humanity doesnt work. Not so you can try to poetically match me.
Maybe I worded that incorrectly. To clarify: this issue is one that is prevalent in every layer of society. Pinning this on just the geeks, gamers or any particular group for that matter does not do the widespread nature of the issue justice.
Wait, limit alcohol? Only a certain number of people in a room? TOs can't lord over what happens off site. I don't even know if they could legally enforce any of that, much less the logistics of trying to get enough people to check each and every room (of which, there are thousands of people).
A better solution would be to up security at events when possible, enforce bans, and dole out hard punishments for people who do shitty things like that to deter the scummier people of the community.
See, that's why it's important to contextualize all this. Otherwise, you end up vying for the wrong shit.
But will that be enough for the Internet?His life in the internets is over. Good.
So is there police involvement or no?
"But if u call the police or something i never can entry to the USA to play :c"
I don't see you doing anything, no. How can these problems be addressed at conventions and tournaments? Going for the long haul and only targeting the root of the problem just ignores current problems. You can do both at the same time.
I can't find data on that because there's likely not been a study on it. I can only speak from my experience at conventions. But it's not hard to find personal accounts of convention creepers.
And, at least when it comes to conventions, typically you can get deals for rooms with the convention ticket and the convention works in junction with whatever hotel it is. And you can at least make sure someone who comes to the hotel drunks goes to their own room.
And well, the geek community isn't society as a whole. The fact that people can even absorb that attitude from the community is bad. That's worse than "a couple of bad eggs/apples in the bunch".
So bloody what? This is happening in geek culture. This stuff happens at conventions and tournaments every year and no one even thinks about it until it happens. Then people within the community defend it.
Category: People do things like this everywhere.
Sub-Category: It happens in geek culture often.
Maybe make the events alcohol-free. Maybe enforce limits to how many people can be in a room. Do something. Don't just deflect it onto a societal issue.
By the way, this is how hotel packages work with conventions and TOs, for the most part:
TO or convention reaches out to hotel to make a package deal. Hotels are usually loving this because they have need dates they want to fill, and conventions are big money makers for many hotels.
So the hotel makes a package and the TOs generally promote that.
But that's the extent of the TOs power. TOs have no jurisdiction past their assigned area. The guests are still on the property of the hotel. Furthermore, the fallout, from a legal standpoint to just a PR nightmare, of having someone go room to room to do checks on guests would never be allowed. TOs can do that of their own volition, but if a guest feels like their rights are being infringed, the hotel will side with them provided they aren't doing anything ridiculous.
Furthermore, stopping people from coming in the convention on how drunk they appear to be (because, let's face it, unless you have a breath test handy, you aren't going to know for many people), would not only be just as bad as the above, but would take many hours of manpower. Plus, hotels probably won't like the fact that you are taking another stream of revenue from them.
It's weird her BF didn't do anything when she was yelling. Was the dude just sleeping through everything? Her telling the guy to cut it out? Her switching beds? Etc??
Anyway, hope this guy gets what's coming to him and is banned from tournaments or whatever.
As for stopping people who are drunk from coming in, conventions already to weapon checks and confiscate items from cosplayers deemed dangerous. Not sure why introducing a breath tester for suspicious individuals would be any harder.
How about teaching people that inviting a drunk stranger sleeping in your room isn't exactly the most clever thing to do. Especially for a girl with a retarded BF that would gladly sleep through all of this.
It's weird her BF didn't do anything when she was yelling. Was the dude just sleeping through everything? Her telling the guy to cut it out? Her switching beds? Etc??
Anyway, hope this guy gets what's coming to him and is banned from tournaments or whatever.
Wtf is going on, does EVO attract perverts or something?
Yikes.
Thought maybe the thread title was clickbait, but...yikes.
How about teaching people that inviting a drunk stranger sleeping in your room isn't exactly the most clever thing to do. Especially for a girl with a retarded BF that would gladly sleep through all of this.
I think it says others in the room intervened and put him back to bed before he tried it again - that may or may not include her BF.
Perhaps the BF was catatonically drunk. We don't know the details. He's not to blame, either way.
Nobody is denying that those kind of people exist, but you can't just make those kind of claims to help your argument based on anecdotal evidence and assumptions from what you view as the stereotypical geek.
Evo had 12k unique entrants staying at multiple hotels and even at smaller events it would be impossible to regulate that kind of stuff.
I also don't see the point in trying to analyze where people pick up that kind of attitude because there's obviously no way to know.
Simply pointing at society and toxic masulinity as a whole is also not a solution or data either.
What data do I need? The fact that it even happens is disgusting. There's no threshold of acceptability. No "only 3 people have done it this year and been publicly report, that's ok I guess".
And I have suggested solutions. Limit alcohol, or just not allow it. Be more restrictive on how many people can be in a room. Maybe not hold late night panels focused on perverse content at supposedly all-ages conventions so as to not attract people who might be gross.
And I have suggested solutions. Limit alcohol, or just not allow it. Be more restrictive on how many people can be in a room. Maybe not hold late night panels focused on perverse content at supposedly all-ages conventions so as to not attract people who might be gross.
how in gods name would the title be clickbait. fucking hell.
Because being drunk doesn't mean you pose a danger to people. They're in no way comparable
Rather than "teaching people not to sexually assault" it's "teach people to avoid sexual assault"?
Then explain things like alcohol-free zones in cities and alcohol-free public events.
I do understand that people do crazy shit when they are drunk and they don't even remember it.
But i will NEVER accept this as an excuse, how about you stay away from people when are planning to drink? and better DON'T DRINK because it's clear that you are not responsible person and can't be trusted around alcohol.