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[Shouta]

Damn, I'm salty. GG's Shouta. I got to predictable with the command grabs. I would have thought since I had sibberean blizzard, you would have respected it... Damn.

The light spd has a pretty broken range which was why I used it. Its getting nerfed in ultra so yeah.... I would use my other tools if I wasn't getting snuffed by your heavy kick... That thing has range and speed.

Nah, even if you had U2, you're never in a position to use it on the defense. You almost always hit it on an offensive gamble which worked because I was doing random shit lol or got something else other than what I wanted.

Your AA timings are really off and you really don't have any footsies. Granted footsies against T.hawk can be bad for gief but you should try to ground attack more on the offense and then sharpen your defense. I don't think you hit me with a defensive Lariat when splashed you.

Light SPD works really well online but not so much in person unless you've got more mix-ups to go with it. Gotta rememebr that when you do casuals in person. Also T.hawk's st.hk is like -infinity on block and takes forever to recovery. You should still be able to do something like an ex-green hand in afterwards.

 

[FSLink]

Thank you Kaneblueriver, I am now stealing this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE9Vw28k4gE#t=469

Yeah, he posted this on his Youtube channel awhile back, he acknowledged it was a gimmick, and it didn't work in his favor for that match due to Dorm/Doom being left.

 

[Professor Beef]

Having Gief's U2 means nothing unless you show that you're willing to use it. I'll jump in on Gief all day if he hasn't given me a reason to fear him.

 

[oneida]

Conditioning your opponent is so important for a grappler character, you can't assume anything. CH some stuff to make em scared

 

[Shouta]

Having Gief's U2 means nothing unless you show that you're willing to use it. I'll jump in on Gief all day if he hasn't given me a reason to fear him.

Yeah, more or less. I hit splash a lot in that set, probably way more than I should have. Gotta do something to stop it.

 

[BakedYams]

Nah, even if you had U2, you're never in a position to use it on the defense. You almost always hit it on an offensive gamble which worked because I was doing random shit lol or got something else other than what I wanted.

Your AA timings are really off and you really don't have any footsies. Granted footsies against T.hawk can be bad for gief but you should try to ground attack more on the offense and then sharpen your defense. I don't think you hit me with a defensive Lariat when splashed you.

Nah, I was spamming lariat since I was scared of your spd. Caught me a couple of times during our first few matches so that was the quickest temporary solution

Spoiler

sadly

.

You are definitely right on ground attacking more, it was pretty weak on my end. The only reason my defense was horrible cause I was scared shitless with your spd setups so I spammed lariat.... Next time I should block. Hope we can play again.

Having Gief's U2 means nothing unless you show that you're willing to use it. I'll jump in on Gief all day if he hasn't given me a reason to fear him.

There were a couple occasions where I got Shouta (one missed with him in the air, I was confused...) with it and I thought I had him grounded but T. Hawk doesn't respect the Russian skies BibleThump

 

[Flying High]

Damn, I'm salty. GG's Shouta. I got to predictable with the command grabs. I would have thought since I had sibberean blizzard, you would have respected it... Damn.



The light spd has a pretty broken range which was why I used it. Its getting nerfed in ultra so yeah.... I would use my other tools if I wasn't getting snuffed by your heavy kick... That thing has range and speed.

Basically for what I heard the best way to play Gief is to make them THINK your going to SPD when you are not going to SPD, basically you want to use SPD as a mindgame tool, scare them to make them THINK you are going to use it.

EDIT: T. Hawk? Hmm, do not know the match up at all with Gief, I just know that T. Hawk has a slight advance over Gief because T. Hawk has better pokes then Gief.

 

[BakedYams]

Basically for what I heard the best way to play Gief is to make them THINK your going to SPD when you are not going to SPD, basically you want to use SPD as a mindgame tool, scare them to make them THINK you are going to use it.

Also, you should see what you can do to against that heavy kick. I am guessing he was using Adon? Basically you want to try to read that tool and see if you can counterpoke him with something, like with s.MP or use EX Green Hand maybe. Or you can look for different matches that show the Gief vs Adon match and see what the gief player does against the matchup at all.

Even worse than Adon. I have an easy time with Adon's, its T. Hawk he played. s. MP is the answer if he whiffs it and I catch him on the punish. EX green hand is kinda hard since its online and my reactions would have to be pretty godlike for that (which they are not).

I plan to research again on some sf4 matches, wonder why I haven't done that in the first place and just steal tech.

 

[Professor Beef]

EDIT: T. Hawk? Hmm, do not know the match up at all with Gief, I just know that T. Hawk has a slight advance over Gief because T. Hawk has better pokes then Gief.

Hawk is better at defense than Gief is, but Gief's vortex is incredibly hard for Hawk to escape.

 

[Shouta]

Nah, I was spamming lariat since I was scared of your spd. Caught me a couple of times during our first few matches so that was the quickest temporary solution

Spoiler

sadly

.

You are definitely right on ground attacking more, it was pretty weak on my end. The only reason my defense was horrible cause I was scared shitless with your spd setups so I spammed lariat.... Next time I should block. Hope we can play again.



There were a couple occasions where I got Shouta (one missed with him in the air, I was confused...) with it and I thought I had him grounded but T. Hawk doesn't respect the Russian skies BibleThump

I don't really SPD much anymore outside of certain situations. I only did it in that match because you were using them everywhere and mashing it online beats precise button pressure, especially with throw boxes as big as T.hawk's. It's also a liability against all other characters so I rely on Hawk's buttons for a more of my damage aside from free SPDs or the occasional one to mix it up. I've won tournament matches up here without using a Single SPD, U1 aside, lol.

 

[BakedYams]

I don't really SPD much anymore outside of certain situations. I only did it in that match because you were using them everywhere and mashing it online beats precise button pressure, especially with throw boxes as big as T.hawk's. It's also a liability against all other characters so I rely on Hawk's buttons for a more of my damage aside from free SPDs or the occasional one to mix it up. I've won tournament matches up here without using a Single SPD, U1 aside, lol.

I only mashed lariat a lot, most of SPD's on my end were planned but precise button precise can be a hassle online. If you ever wanna do SF PC, I'm on that too since the game and online is much more smoother.

 

[Toxi]

it seems like small characters would be really good, are they?

Depends. Kirby's small and light and he's one of the worst in the game, but Bowser's also one of the worst and he's the largest of the cast. The top tier tends to be made up more of fast characters, with Captain Falcon as the heaviest and Jigglypuff as the lightest.

Biggest threats in Melee are Fox, Falco, Sheik, Marth, Jigglypuff, Peach, Captain Falcon, and the Ice Climbers. All of those characters are fast in some way and have the ability to KO at low %s. Some also have highly abusable tools, like Fox and Falcos' reflector (1 frame, reflects projectiles, hits in desirable way to either hit away from a ledge [Fox] or into a combo [Falco], jump cancelable which also means wavedash cancelable).

Ganondorf's also pretty popular and he's huge.

 

[oneida]

As an aside, every character in VF is a "grappler" because that's more a style of play than a predisposed character archetype in the game. Some characters have more tools than others, though, like low throws which beat fuzzy guard and catch throws which are inescapable.

One option that many characters have is the ability to guard cancel their 5K. Looks like this, great way to get your opponent to start blocking so you can chuck 'em.

 

[Dahbomb]

Zangief SPD range never fails to shock me with its range.

 

[mbpm1]

Zangief SPD range never fails to shock me with its range.

It's even crazier when Kara'd.

 

[Xevren]

As an aside, every character in VF is a "grappler" because that's more a style of play than a predisposed character archetype in the game. Some characters have more tools than others, though, like low throws which beat fuzzy guard and catch throws which are inescapable.

One option that many characters have is the ability to guard cancel their 5K. Looks like this, great way to get your opponent to start blocking so you can chuck 'em.

I'll always remember the kick shimmy when Haunts used to stream VF forever ago. Kamais would just taunt him so much with it lol.

What we really need is a gif of Goh's half wall throw. The best.

 

["God's Beard!"]

Zangief SPD range never fails to shock me with its range.

aka Vega's normal grab range

 

[Shouta]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NorthwestMajors/status/461743806824857600

Look at pic, read first reply, dead.

 

[Professor Beef]

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";110193106]aka Vega's Dhalsim's normal grab range[/QUOTE]

fixed

 

[oneida]

What we really need is a gif of Goh's half wall throw. The best.

did you know?

 

[alstein]

I don't really SPD much anymore outside of certain situations. I only did it in that match because you were using them everywhere and mashing it online beats precise button pressure, especially with throw boxes as big as T.hawk's. It's also a liability against all other characters so I rely on Hawk's buttons for a more of my damage aside from free SPDs or the occasional one to mix it up. I've won tournament matches up here without using a Single SPD, U1 aside, lol.

Noticing it's really hard to SPD players who are looking for it, trying to get better at setting up buttons myself to use for it.

That said, doing well enough online with it that I'm seeing Blanka more than I'd like now.

 

[Flying High]

Ultra Street Fighter 4 Stream here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrXSAjOXuUQ

 

[irfaanator]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NorthwestMajors/status/461743806824857600

Look at pic, read first reply, dead.

also dead lol

 

[BakedYams]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NorthwestMajors/status/461743806824857600

Look at pic, read first reply, dead.

Not to spoil anything but dayum, they don't let up on the poor guy.

I have learned of the kara spd. Time to make use of it.

 

[vulva]

Elena looks so annoying to play against haha

 

[Passive Assassin]

Ultra Street Fighter 4 Stream here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrXSAjOXuUQ

just keep em coming. this is good. GOOD HD QUALITY

 

[FSLink]

just keep em coming. this is good. GOOD HD QUALITY

Then the sound messes up.

Looks like it's coming back.

 

[OceanBlue]

The coolest thing about Youtube streaming for me so far is that you can rewind the stream mid-stream.

 

[Passive Assassin]

The coolest thing about Youtube streaming for me so far is that you can rewind the stream mid-stream.

watch out twitch.

elena combo

 

[Passive Assassin]

yo damn ksk got the alt... viking hugo doesn't look too bad.

 

[ShaperofStories]

Seeing Hugo's St. Fierce send an airborne Cammy slamming down into the ground puts a smile on my face.

 

[WesternHeretic]

Henry Cen called Sanford Joffery...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaeNd5UCIaM

#DEAD.

 

[Passive Assassin]

smug is arya lolol

 

[Jazz-ism]

i expect reynald to give tokido the business 10-6

 

[Triple Da G.O.D!]

add darkwing duck, ninja turtles, mighty max, heathcliff and call it saturday morning all stars. this would be the best game of all time.

This kind of already happened a long time ago. Sort of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZPi5gZkUoI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2pKilULTzA

Throwback shit!

Shouts to HyperHal, where ever he may be!

 

[vulva]

i expect reynald to give tokido the business 10-6

I actually like Tokido in the match

 

[OceanBlue]

This stream is too hilarious.

 

[Passive Assassin]

RED SNACKISH

hugo's super is amazing.

 

[gutabo]

Henry Cen called Sanford Joffery...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaeNd5UCIaM

#DEAD.

Dat EX2+ <3

 

[Coffeeling]

apologyman should switch to 3D fighters and change his handle to apolyGonman IMO

 

[Benslammin]

Man, I am finally coming off the 3s train which has been dead for some time now, but I was always able to squeeze in matches here and there with supercade and GGPO. Now I am finally picking up SF4 for real now (I tried a few times earlier with each new installment but I couldn't find friends to play with to ease me in) and now I am finally just going to do it for Ultra.

But damn, it's really really hard to get accustomed to it. I was never really able to pull it off because of the more fast paced, cutthroat style of Third Strike. Now I finally winning a few matches here and there as Makoto in ranked on PC but I still can't get used to the feeling of the engine and the timing of things, even just playing as shotos. However, I still have fun when I play with friends because I am not taking winning or losing as seriously, but I don't think I will ever be able to get serious like I was in 3s. Anyone else feel this way?

Here's hoping SF5 will be a bit more like Third Strike in terms of gameplay style at least.

 

[pixelish]

house lannister = emp
sanford = joffrey
triforce = tywin
dieminion = tyrion
cdjr = cersei
can't think of anyone who is similar to jamie.

 

[Smooth Operator]

house lannister = emp
sanford = joffrey
triforce = tywin
dieminion = tyrion
cdjr = cersei
can't think of anyone who is similar to jamie.

Perfect Legend maybe ?

 

[call_kotaku]

house lannister = emp
sanford = joffrey
triforce = tywin
dieminion = tyrion
cdjr = cersei
can't think of anyone who is similar to jamie.

Definitely Yipes

 

[OceanBlue]

Haha, the Japanese stream monsters went crazy when Kubo got on stream. Apparently he's playing Hugo. He also pulled off an amazing comeback against Reiketsu.

 

[kirblar]

Elena looks so annoying to play against haha

She's a footsie version of El Fuerte....unfortunately she has the damage to match that description right now.

 

[Jazz-ism]

how on earf is dieminion anything like tyrion lannister

yall are hella bad at this


triforce as tywin is a solid pick tho

 

[Retro_]

I love that fucking game, always did, but the way the game's growing to be scares me....it's already broken, in a couple of years Vergil will jump out the screen and kill my family

Probably

And when you post about it on neogaf, dahbomb will tell you how somebody already found that tech months ago

 

[sixteen-bit]

Probably

And when you post about it on neogaf, dahbomb will tell you how somebody already found that tech months ago

lmao

 

[Beckx]

I searched the term scrub on this site http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/scrub?s=t

For the adjective meaning, it means inferior and insignificant.

Yeah, I have a thing for Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey & Maturin novels (if you saw the movie Master & Commander, it was loosely based on two of those books), and they are always referring to stupid, base, and incompetent naval officers as scrubs. That's why I laughed earlier in the week when Kimosabae insisted it wasn't an insult, heh.

Nidhogg coming to PS4. This game has a chance at a competitive life now! [if TOs have/get PS4s]

This is great news. PS4 going to a have great lineup of local competitive multiplayer games. Towerfall, Nidhogg, BaraBariBall (cannot WAIT for this one, using the PC beta is a bit fiddly b/c you have to use JoyToKey for sticks).

VF6

LOL. Well she's already merged with Fei-Yen to blow up super robots so why not.