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[undersakura]

it's kinda funny how much contempt sakurai has for the pro smash community. nintendo really needs the next smash to become big competitively so they can sell consoles and games but i bet sakurai will have none of it and will do things to stop it from happening. you either play it casually or not at all!

Nintendo's brand is family fun they don't want nerds turning/ruining their franchise into street fighter. Don't forget that they shut down Melee at Evo but relented at the last moment. People donating to charity saved the game.

 

[BakedYams]

I just can't imagine that Nintendo/Sakurai aren't adjusting their development of Smash WiiU without the context of current trends. The Evo-reversal and their current position in the market has to say something about how they approach the design of the next game. This system is as niche as niche gets - there's no reason for Brawl's specific design philosophies to be a factor here.

Then again, this is the same company that doesn't know wtf Xbox Live is. What a dumb corporation.



I can't believe no one is talking about WNF. Last night's matches had to be some of the best SF I've seen in a long ass time. Just an incredible string of intense matches. I really want to see Chris King and Zeus in the same major.

Games at Nintendo are usually made in Japan and some first party companies here in America and other places. The big Nintendo games are catered towards the Japanese crowd since that is a guaranteed market and the secondary market is Europe/USA. Most of us get the short end of the stick sadly.

 

[LordJim]

Nah I take that shit back...

Capcom rebooting DmC was way fucking worse.

I wonder how Thi4f will spit on it's predecessors.
Almost every statement they have about the game is chilling

 

[Infinite]

I like on the east coast WNF comes on too late for me to even want to watch on a Wednesday

 

[FSLink]

Jojos asb is fan service the game. If you were expecting a sequel to the Capcom Jojos games then The devs themselves will tell you that you were looking in the wrong place.

As a fanservice game, compared to the Naruto games it's pretty lame though. Story mode being a bunch of text instead of some cool animated scenes using the game engine, and the online mode having F2P like stuff was pretty dumb.

 

[BakedYams]

I like on the east coast WNF comes on too late for me to even want to watch on a Wednesday

Same here, the matches are what keep me awake until some scrubby commentators come on, I don't know his name but the guy with the ponytail and the beard all the time. He honestly doesn't sound the least bit interested in anything.

 

[Rhapsody]

I just can't imagine that Nintendo/Sakurai aren't adjusting their development of Smash WiiU without the context of current trends. The Evo-reversal and their current position in the market has to say something about how they approach the design of the next game. This system is as niche as niche gets - there's no reason for Brawl's specific design philosophies to be a factor here.

Then again, this is the same company that doesn't know wtf Xbox Live is. What a dumb corporation.

That's how a lot of Japanese companies are, imo. They have this sort of tunnel vision where they just have an idea on what the end result should be and kind of ignore everything else. And Nintendo is pretty much that, but ten fold.

I can't believe no one is talking about WNF. Last night's matches had to be some of the best SF I've seen in a long ass time. Just an incredible string of intense matches. I really want to see Chris King and Zeus in the same major.

Even though you are bringing up 2 of some of the best Vega players, it's still a surprise for me to hear someone wanting Vega mirrors, haha.
Usually one of the mirrors I hear about the least.

Nintendo's brand is family fun they don't want nerds turning/ruining their franchise into street fighter. Don't forget that they shut down Melee at Evo but relented at the last moment. People donating to charity saved the game.

I still don't think that was Nintendo as a whole that wanted to shut down Melee being streamed at Evo. More like some of their lawyers jumping the gun.

 

[jbug617]

What disappointed me this generation was the sports games. NBA Live is bad, the new Fight Night was disappointing, 2K put out a crappy baseball game, No NFL 2K. Only NBA 2k, Fifa, MLB The Show and NHL were good.

What surprised me was XBLA. So many old games I get to play from SNK to Treasure.

 

[Village]

it's kinda funny how much contempt sakurai has for the pro smash community. nintendo really needs the next smash to become big competitively so they can sell consoles and games but i bet sakurai will have none of it and will do things to stop it from happening. you either play it casually or not at all!

But its gonna do that regardless?

 

[theprodigy]

But its gonna do that regardless?

while most competitive players will probably at least pick the game up, if it's Brawl 2.0 then they're just gonna put the game down again

....of course Nintendo will probably just ignore the Halo 4-like collapse in online population though in that scenario, because Nintendo

 

[Kimosabae]

Even though you are bringing up 2 of some of the best Vega players, it's still a surprise for me to hear someone wanting Vega mirrors, haha.
Usually one of the mirrors I hear about the least.

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I don't want to necessarily see them play each other - the results of a mirror are largely meaningless. I meant I'd like to see them in the same tournament facing the same pool of competitors. If they both reached top 8 that'd be so hype.


Vega takes so much patience to play right so much respect to those two. I seriously don't know that I could muster up that level of patience to play high-level Vega. For me to admit that I may not be able to something is rare lol

 

[ViewtifulJC]

the Halo 4-like collapse

another contender for biggest disappointment of the gen...

RIP Halo

2001-2010

 

[Rhapsody]

What disappointed me this generation was the sports games. NBA Live is bad, the new Fight Night was disappointing, 2K put out a crappy baseball game, No NFL 2K. Only NBA 2k, Fifa, MLB The Show and NHL were good.

What surprised me was XBLA. So many old games I get to play from SNK to Treasure.

I still wish we got KoF XI out of all of the ports. The Last Blade games would've been nice, but at least those got ported onto Wii.

I don't want to necessarily see them play each other - the results of a mirror are largely meaningless. I meant I'd like to see them in the same tournament facing the same pool of competitors. If they both reached top 8 that'd be so hype.


Vega takes so much patience to play right so much respect to those two. I seriously don't know that I could muster up that level of patience to play high-level Vega. For me to admit that I may not be able to something is rare lol

True. Plus a good SF4 Vega is pretty interesting too. I tried learning him way back in Vanilla.
Couldn't do it, and I doubt I could even now. lol

 

[theprodigy]

another contender for biggest disappointment of the gen...

RIP Halo

2001-2010

although in all seriousness, it's too bad you can't get player counts for Nintendo games

.....that bad online infrastructure!

 

[Village]

while most competitive players will probably at least pick the game up, if it's Brawl 2.0 then they're just gonna put the game down again

....of course Nintendo will probably just ignore the Halo 4-like collapse in online population though in that scenario, because Nintendo

The implication being competitive players are most of the people who buy smash, and most of the people who play smash online. To which my retort is you is a damn lie, most people playing smash brothers aren't fgc type dudes.

 

[Marz]

Brawls a decent competitive game, its just a defensive game and people like to hate on defensive games.

I've played Brawl competitively since it came out and I'm pretty happy with the thousands of hours I've put into the game and the 100+ tournaments I've been too. I think you don't really get it until you learn to play the game at a semi high level. Brawls a thinking mans game. Every hit you get is essentially a read, whereas melee one hit leads into death a lot of the time. Brawl also has a way better offstage game which is really fun; your not completely screwed if you get knocked far out.

A lot of the Brawl hate comes from Melee fans that want to play the same fucking game all over again or it comes from randoms who can't even play both games and want to act like they know what they're talking about.

I can't count how many people I've met and they go "melee melee blah blah Brawl suxxxxx" and I 3 stock them in that game and they don't even know what the fuck they're doing. If you can't utilize all of Melees movement options in the first place, then I don't see how melee could be considered better than brawl.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

a couple pre-apex streams

http://www.twitch.tv/clashtournaments

http://www.twitch.tv/8wayrun

 

[Kimosabae]

Games at Nintendo are usually made in Japan and some first party companies here in America and other places. The big Nintendo games are catered towards the Japanese crowd since that is a guaranteed market and the secondary market is Europe/USA. Most of us get the short end of the stick sadly.

Where can I find a breakdown of WiiU LTD by region? Anyone know?

 

[theprodigy]

The implication being competitive players are most of the people who buy smash, and most of the people who play smash online. To which my retort is you is a damn lie, most people playing smash brothers aren't fgc type dudes.

just like with Halo, it's not just competitive players that will sit out
ESPECIALLY with the much lower hype levels compared to pre-Brawl hype

 

[DryEyeRelief]

I wish i had BBCP so I could pick kokonoe

 

[ismk]

Nah I take that shit back...

Capcom rebooting DmC was way fucking worse.

Did we play the same game? DmC was a great game. Personally, it was the best game game in the series only second to Devil May Cry 3. If you played on the console then you played it on the machine.

 

[Astarte]

Jojos asb is fan service the game. If you were expecting a sequel to the Capcom Jojos games then The devs themselves will tell you that you were looking in the wrong place.

The biggest disappointment for me last gen is most modern game design and development trends. Namely developers like Capcom, Square, Sega, and Konami putting out derivative triple A games and making shitty mobile games and ports for cash.

I bought it for fan service, and I got HELLA fan service. Absolutely love the game, I wish it had gameplay that was a bit better.

 

[Village]

just like with Halo, it's not just competitive players that will sit out
ESPECIALLY with the much lower hype levels compared to pre-Brawl hype

1) No it isn't

2) That is nintendo advertising and the wii u selling terribly

3) a lot of people are hype for smash actually despite the wi ui being non existent.

 

[Kimosabae]

I've played Brawl competitively since it came out and I'm pretty happy with the thousands of hours I've put into the game and the 100+ tournaments I've been too. I think you don't really get it until you learn to play the game at a semi high level. Brawls a thinking mans game. Every hit you get is essentially a read, whereas melee one hit leads into death a lot of the time. Brawl also has a way better offstage game which is really fun; your not completely screwed if you get knocked far out.

Ugh, can't roll my eyes hard enough. People still make this argument?

Look, I'm not going to argue against that, as long as you admit that speed and combos can make for a more fun and athletic fighting game and that there's nothing lacking in intellect about this. Yes, Brawl emphasizes reads more because it is slower and less execution-focused but that by no means makes it more "intellectual". The barrier to displaying your genius is simply lower than Melee.

 

[de1irium]

No Apex thread?

 

[Dahbomb]

Did we play the same game? DmC was a great game. Personally, it was the best game game in the series only second to Devil May Cry 3. If you played on the console then you played it on the machine.

I played it on PC but my point was on the decision to reboot the series by giving it to NT rather than the game itself.

My expectations for DmC were so low that the game ended up being decent to good. The disappointment was when they announced it in the first place.

DmC however is still below DMC1, DMC3 and DMC4... only better than DMC2 (better by a mile).

 

[theprodigy]

1) No it isn't

2) That is nintendo advertising and the wii u selling terribly

3) a lot of people are hype for smash actually despite the wii being non existent.

no it isn't what
there's a fairly large chunk of the Smash fanbase that would be considered "casuals" got burned on Brawl

also Wii U bombing is Nintendo's own damn fault and does not detract from my point about hype (which btw, is also down BECAUSE OF BRAWL)

 

[Village]

no it isn't what

the halo situation

there's a fairly large chunk of the Smash fanbase that would be considered "casuals" got burned on Brawl

i'm not gonna pretend this is anywhere NEAR the truth

also Wii U bombing is Nintendo's own damn fault and does not detract from my point about hype (which btw, is also down BECAUSE OF BRAWL)

It does, more people would be hype about smash, if more people knew the console it was coming out for existed.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Watch it here
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=752993

Schedule (EST)

Brackets/Pools

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=752993 (Smash 64, Melee, Brawl, Project M pools)

People who will be there
CT | EMP | Mew2King
OXT_TheCrimsonBlur
SilentWolf
Lucky
Tope
HomeMadeWaffles
Smoke2Jointz
Fly Amanita
VGBC Dr. Peepee
Tortilla Jackson
Cactuar
PewPewU
DoH
Wes
Obi-Wan Jabroni
HugS
OXY_Westballz
KoreanDJ
MIOM | Mango
CTRL | Alukard
PapaDav3
Chillindude829
Axe
Chu Dat
CT Hax
Apex | D1
CT Hungrybox
SHroomed

...and many many more



Brought to you by

 

[Kadey]

New rule from now on. If no tournament thread is up by Thursday night unless specified by someone they are doing it, anybody is free to make the thread. Purple monkey dishwasher.

 

[Clawww]

I can't count how many people I've met and they go "melee melee blah blah Brawl suxxxxx" and I 3 stock them in that game and they don't even know what the fuck they're doing. If you can't utilize all of Melees movement options in the first place, then I don't see how melee could be considered better than brawl.

watch out guys you better not have a preference in games because this guy is better than you!

seriously, dude, what kind of argument is that? preferring melee over brawl is valid regardless of your skill level. I don't have to be able to execute waveshines to know that I prefer a game that allows for options like that.

 

[Marz]

Ugh, can't roll my eyes hard enough. People still make this argument?

Look, I'm not going to argue against that, as long as you admit that speed and combos can make for a more fun and athletic fighting game and that there's nothing lacking in intellect about this. Yes, Brawl emphasizes reads more because it is slower and less execution-focused but that by no means makes it more "intellectual". The barrier to displaying your genius is simply lower than Melee.

I think significantly more when I play Brawl than when I play Melee.

Melee I can make one read/mixup off of some crazy fast movement option into a easy edge guard situation.

Brawl I have to make 10+ reads a stock, plus bait air dodges, then I have to edgeguard which is not brain dead easy like it is in melee.

 

[Kimosabae]

Watch it here
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=752993

Schedule (EST)


Brackets/Pools

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=752993 (Smash 64, Melee, Brawl, Project M pools)

People who will be there
CT | EMP | Mew2King
OXT_TheCrimsonBlur
SilentWolf
Lucky
Tope
HomeMadeWaffles
Smoke2Jointz
Fly Amanita
VGBC Dr. Peepee
Tortilla Jackson
Cactuar
PewPewU
DoH
Wes
Obi-Wan Jabroni
HugS
OXY_Westballz
KoreanDJ
MIOM | Mango
CTRL | Alukard
PapaDav3
Chillindude829
Axe
Chu Dat
CT Hax
Apex | D1
CT Hungrybox
SHroomed

...and many many more



Brought to you by

Wait, PapaDav3 and Wes as in "DA" Papa Dav3 and Wes? If so, I'm interested.


Where it says "Where it here" you put a link to the thread. Not sure if you meant that or not.

 

[ismk]

The Runback is going to start soon - http://www.twitch.tv/leveluplive

 

[Omega]

biggest disappointment this gen was the butchering of Moonlight Wilderness in TTT2

T5 version is probably one of the best themes in any video game ever.

 

[Marz]

watch out guys you better not have a preference in games because this guy is better than you!

seriously, dude, what kind of argument is that? preferring melee over brawl is valid regardless of your skill level. I don't have to be able to execute waveshines to know that I prefer a game that allows for options like that.

Melee is actually really stiff without wave dashes and l cancelling so if you can't do that stuff then you liking the game because of that makes no sense.

"I like this game because I could potentially do advanced stuff!"

Lol.

 

[theprodigy]

the halo situation

i'm not gonna pretend this is anywhere NEAR the truth

It does, more people would be hype about smash, if more people knew the console it was coming out for existed.

it definitely is a large portion, some hardcore Nintendo fans may plug their ears and insist otherwise, but it's there:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4183

even though Melee lost, that's a whopping 49%, and of course there's the part where this 49% likes Melee and hates Brawl a lot more than the other 51% likes Brawl and hates Melee

(also of note: Melee won USA, Canada, Japan, UK, France, and the Netherlands, aka the places with the largest Melee scenes, who says it doesn't matter? )

 

[Clawww]

Melee is actually really stiff without wave dashes and l cancelling so if you can't do that stuff then you liking the game because of that makes no sense.

"I like this game because I could potentially do advanced stuff!"

Lol.

i can't believe you're furthering your shitty argument of needing to be skilled at a given game to have a preferences

maybe I like watching waveshines more than slow paced brawl matches. that's perefectly valid.

like this is the same awful logic that goes into remarks like "well don't talk shit if you can't do something better" when it comes to criticizing a film or something

 

[Rhapsody]

I mostly like Melee just because the momentum of the game is much more interesting to me. Hitstun is just right where you're back into "neutral" but in a disadvantage. The extent of it feels more similar to traditional fighters after a knockdown/combo. Edgeguarding might feel a little too "easy" in Melee, but again, I feel another similarity to games like SF where you're able to reach this checkmate option on an edgeguard given you get the correct read. Sort of like corner control on a low health opponent.

Brawl returns to neutral rather fast which is what a lot of people want in more fighters. I do like more of a neutral game, but there's just something off for that game to me.

I don't play either game anymore unless it's there when I'm at a friend's. I definitely have fun with 64 and Melee more, but I'm definitely not one of those absolute Brawl haters. It's just not my thing unfortunately.

 

[Cosmo Clock 21]

biggest disappointment this gen was the butchering of Moonlight Wilderness in TTT2

T5 version is probably one of the best themes in any video game ever.

My man

T5DR's soundtrack probably one of the best video game soundtracks ever.

also it has this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUwupgqpTv8

 

[Jaxel]

I'm currently rebroadcasting APEX 2013!

http://twitch.tv/8wayrun

Currently on KOF... next is P4A, with TTT2 next, then AE2013, then Marvel... Then Brawl, and finally Melee.

 

[Clawww]

I mostly like Melee just because the momentum of the game is much more interesting to me. Hitstun is just right where you're back into "neutral" but in a disadvantage. The extent of it feels more similar to traditional fighters after a knockdown/combo. Edgeguarding might feel a little too "easy" in Melee, but again, I feel another similarity to games like SF where you're able to reach this checkmate option on an edgeguard given you get the correct read. Sort of like corner control on a low health opponent.

bro do you even waveshine? is your IQ even high enough to handle the insane mindgames of floating around the stage trading single hits all game?

My man

T5DR's soundtrack probably one of the best video game soundtracks ever.

hell yea

 

[Kimosabae]

I think significantly more when I play Brawl than when I play Melee.

Melee I can make one read/mixup off of some crazy fast movement option into a easy edge guard situation.

Brawl I have to make 10+ reads a stock, plus bait air dodges, then I have to edgeguard which is not brain dead easy like it is in melee.

So because Brawl requires more reads per stock that makes it a more "intellectual" game. Okay.

So then it must follow that Brawl players are more "intellectual" Smash players than Melee players? I assume you have no qualms with that unqualified conclusion?

 

[ViewtifulJC]

TTT2's soundtrack is so good that it makes the "WTF is this shit..." factor of Moonlight Wilderness even worse

 

[Village]

it definitely is a large portion, some hardcore Nintendo fans may plug their ears and insist otherwise, but it's there:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/4183

even though Melee lost, that's a whopping 49%, and of course there's the part where this 49% likes Melee and hates Brawl a lot more than the other 51% likes Brawl and hates Melee

the implication that poll on game faqs being indicative on anything

Ok you trolling me or something

 

[theprodigy]

the implication that poll on game faqs being indicative on anything

Ok you trolling me or something

go on, are you going to tell me real Nintendo fans overwhelmingly prefer Brawl
because they're so real

Spoiler

I had to do the "real" thing at least once

 

[Parallax Scroll]

fighting game stages peaked with T5 moonlit wilderness

 

[Infinite]

I like Melee more than brawl because it's fun to play competitively and casually.

 

[BakedYams]

go on, are you going to tell me real Nintendo fans overwhelmingly prefer Brawl
because they're so real

Spoiler

I had to do the "real" thing at least once

N64 and Gamecube versions were a godsend. Anyone who enjoyed brawl more than those two really needs to re-assess who they are as a smash player.

 

[Marz]

i can't believe you're furthering your shitty argument of needing to be skilled at a given game to have a preferences

maybe I like watching waveshines more than slow paced brawl matches. that's perefectly valid.

like this is the same awful logic that goes into remarks like "well don't talk shit if you can't do something better" when it comes to criticizing a film or something

Oh people can have preferences. Just like how stream monsters can prefer to watch Marvel.

But I thought we were debating the actual games....not what you prefer to watch.

So because Brawl requires more reads per stock that makes it a more "intellectual" game. Okay.

So then it must follow that Brawl players are more "intellectual" Smash players than Melee players? I assume you have no qualms with that unqualified conclusion?

Lol c'mon man. I like SF4 and MvC3 equally but I don't have to think near as much when I play Marvel. Doesn't make SF players more intellectual. Brawl and Melee just play out differently like that. Your facetious remark came out of nowhere.