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Fighting Games Weekly | May 18-24 | Forget it Jake, it's Capcom Town
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StriKeVillain
Banned
Grr can ball. Amazing grand finals. What is it with MKX at NLBC? Shit is must watch every week.
I've messed with the character, but I do Ruthless variant. My issue is his standard BnB's use forward 3 into then stand 4 into back forward 4, and I'll drop it so much.
However, if I ignore the forward 3, and just do stand 4 into bf4 then I hit it. Depending on what the starter was it's 30% bare minimum, but with the 3 in there you gain 4% if I recall correctly.
Grr is a good guy. Mad props.
StriKeVillain
Banned
Grr is adorable.
The Lone Dragon
Member
Offensive play is already rewarded when their life bar goes down. It's the entire purpose of the game. To make your opponent's bar disappear. That's already the ultimate reward. Why do you need EVEN MORE of a reward for doing what you would already do anyways?
Also, super meter already rewards you for offensive play. Super Meter and Ultra Meter are siblings. If you have a problem with one, you should have a problem with the other.
And, then on top of that, stun is yet ANOTHER reward for offense.
Good defense is a lost art these days. Today's games make opening up your opponent so easy, it's crazy.
Yea doing the f3 in combo's is kind of weird, even when I use him I just don't do that and lose a small percentage. Would rather just go for combo's I know I can hit.
StriKeVillain
Banned
Smug needs to get fined for this outfit. Smh.
Late 80s to mid 90s.
Sorcerer Supreme
Member
it's the fuccboi look
I agree with what many have said- dizzy is mostly an unnecessary reward for someone already being rewarded. It kind of works in SF4, but that's more a testament to SF4's wack ass offense than it is to dizzy being a great idea. Tangentially related, but I'm also fundamentally opposed to systems like GRD/negative pen/getting meter for simply moving fwd/etc. becuase they seem very artificial and either useless (if your game is well-designed) or a bandaid (because the game has major issues at a fundamental level).
i can't think of a word I hate more than this.
what Kadey said. he seems to be a big fan of the early 90's late 80's
KidA Seven
Member
Smug
lol this is getting hilarious
His name is Bonchu and he plays Shuma/Doom/Dante.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Is somebody making a combo breaker thread
Ah thanks. That's more generic of a shell than I was expecting for point Shuma, haha.
Quick and dirty:
Who does he play as? Why is he so good?
I'm about to finally get back home on Friday and will fire up Smash and Witcher 3. Wii U came in Monday while I was away for work so I'm itching to play it.
I may study some of his videos if he's the "DAIGOAT" of Smash 4.
CountBlack
Member
After playing so much offline this weekend, XBL ain't nearly as fun as it used to be. Starting to feel like a chore whoopin these ninjas assets.
Stop beating on the poor level 1s with your level 30 Elena
True, haha. Makes sense though: being lower tier -> have more holes in your neutral game -> need two strong assists to be a viable point.
ninja, hop online and see me!
CountBlack
Member
I was playing this dude at Toryuken and he was getting mad salty about her. "Learn to block lil ninja :mjlol:"
I actually tried to help dude but he wasn't hearing me
Plasma Beam to get in and Jam Session to lock them down for the cheap mix ups that Shuma has. Makes a lot of sense.
This is the way you make some of these lower tier characters playable. When some players just pick low tier they go full low tier and pick crap assists for their low tier characters. Then they lose badly going against top point characters backed up by top tier assists.
Reality is that pretty much any character in this game aside from like 5 can wreck with Doom and Dante in the back
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Yo thanks for teaching me the Elena match enough to make Miguel free
Yeah, true. Just like Marvel 2, you'll have those really good characters for DHC/assist to help those underused characters.
Very similar to just giving Doom Rocks or CapCom assist to them.
CountBlack
Member
Lol I actually commented on the stream saying that I helped you learn that matchup. Miguel's Elena shouldn't be a problem.
Gotta play it #Lame tho
Yeah, until I saw that he didn't know what to do... then I just did whatever I wanted.
Neither Doom nor Dante are top point characters...they are just top assists. It would be like playing Cammy on point backed up by Psylocke and CapCom in MVC2. When you think about, a team of Shuma/Doom/Dante is basically a team of 3 top assist characters.
I guess it's most similar to playing Blackheart/Dr Doom/CapCom in MVC2.
It's pretty much why it's important to have characters who have both good assists and are good as points. The original Marvel 3 philosophy of design was clearly "these characters are points and these will be assists". The problem is that it destroys potential team synergies and just shoehorns you into using the same character archetype vs the same assist character types (ie. "rushdown" point character like Wolverine/Felicia/Jill/X23 backed up by support beam character like Doom/Iron Man/Hawkeye etc). Eventually people just figure out the best archetypes for each class (Best rushdown character, best zoning character, best character with a beam, best character with a vertical assist, best anchor) and then put them on a team.
In Skullgirls everyone is designed to be a good point character and by virtue of having custom assists end up being usable assist characters as well. That's why more team combinations are possible despite the smaller roster size.
there is a very real reason why marvel 2 was called (is called?) 'crack'
i have dipped into crackland with marvel 3 and it is both a wondrous and dark place that has an ihop or denny's near it's exit for every time you visit
hearing dudes did it every day for months on end explains a lot about the sheer level of play in that game from those dudes and how insane justin is
Dude had to sell his car to pay for a MM against Fanatiq.
I clarified in my edit, which is ironically the same assist examples you chose as well, lol.
But yeah, I definitely do notice that formula for creating teams in 3 where it's point character assisted by beam and etc.
I definitely had a lot more fun messing around with low tier team creation in 2 compared to 3. Even if the answer in both of them usually revolved around getting that top tier assist/shell, it was really exciting to do and mess with. Unfortunately they still get shut down harder against the top teams in 2 while 3 gives you some breathing room just because of mechanics.
I lost a year of my life to that game. A full year. Only other thing I did was play guitar. Almost dropped out of college among other things.
https://twitter.com/spada0912/status/600986249508167680
lol. I hope Poongko does this at a major.
lol. I hope Poongko does this at a major.
There were some crazier assist types in Marvel 2 that didn't make it into Marvel 3. Stuff like a Healing assist or a command throw assist were interesting to play around even if they didn't end up being competitively viable. Then there were crazy broken/glitched assists like the Tron assist that took like 1/3rd of your health by itself. Would play that assist against my friends and they didn't know how they kept losing chunks of life so easily!
Marvel 3 has some interesting assists too and some that do get played at high level like Trish's Peakaboo, MODOK's Shield and Bomb, Racoon's Log Trap, Nova's Shield, Vajra, Mystic Ray and Liberation assist (ok this one is not used at high level seriously but it's interesting!).
Marvel 3 has some interesting assists too and some that do get played at high level like Trish's Peakaboo, MODOK's Shield and Bomb, Racoon's Log Trap, Nova's Shield, Vajra, Mystic Ray and Liberation assist (ok this one is not used at high level seriously but it's interesting!).
"God's Beard!"
Member
not the TO, anyway
Professor Beef
Banned
He plays Diddy/Sheik. Diddy as a loyalist (but Diddy is still really good post-patch) and Sheik to fill holes in his game plan.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Iceman/Shuma/Commando for life son
get dat chip damage
get dat chip damage