StoppedInTracks
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FF13-2 was fantastic while FF13 was barely ok. If they fix FF13-3 as much as they fixed FF13-2 then we will have a glorious FF game on our hands.
Final Fantasy 13 - A Storm Gathers
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FF13-2 was fantastic while FF13 was barely ok. If they fix FF13-3 as much as they fixed FF13-2 then we will have a glorious FF game on our hands.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
That new Sonic comment kind of cuts deep. :/
Colours, Generations, and half of Unleashed were pretty darn good. And the comics are pretty decent now. They fell off the rails around #120-130, but Flynn's got the hang of it now that he's in charge.
Edit: I'm teasing; I know you mean the kids who jumped in around Adventure/Shadow/Heroes/Sonic 2006.
StunandStab
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Not sure I would fit into that category... I'm old enough. I played FFVII, IX, and X and never liked them much (IX was okay), all well before XIII was even announced.
edit: also I grew up playing Sonic on the Genesis and still prefer that to the newer games... so... yeah
vagabondarts
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maybe it's some kid of cg anime like Advent Children or something...
Or they put her in versus13
Or they put her in versus13
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
It's a metaphor.
Both of those were extremely high quality series that became really bad.... but kids love everything that is put in front of them, so it caused schisms in the fanbase.
I mean old FF, old Star Wars and old Sonic were objectively respectable in their own ways. Really good films and videogames, even to critics... but the newer entries are lesser quality, and generally more loved by those who would love anything that was put in front of them when they were 10.
Castor Krieg
Banned
You see, the "Lightning Saga" is not bad in principle, it would be great for Final Fantasy to have a strong, female protagonist with epic story spanning several titles. The problem is Toriyama, as well as male inability to make compelling female characters.
RockmanWhore
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Considering I liked XIII and enjoyed XIII-2 a lot more, I ok with another FF XIII game.
I'd like a new battle system though, I like the one they used in the two previous games, but after two games I'm not sure if I want more.
I'd like a new battle system though, I like the one they used in the two previous games, but after two games I'm not sure if I want more.
King of the Potato People
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Personally, XIII-2 was the best FF game since XII in '06. The story was quite mad, but I don’t expect a lot there from JRPGs in that department anyway.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Actually I wouldn't mind a CG movie sequel!
It's the thought of them wasting resources and time on another XIII game that makes me groan.
StunandStab
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I really hope it's a game and not something else.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
If only all people who wish to see the series direction change could be as nicely and thoughtfully spoken as you
Thank you. I really think we want the same things. Great FF games, loveable by critics, lovable by fans!
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
That new Sonic comment kind of cuts deep. :/
Colours, Generations, and half of Unleashed were pretty darn good. And the comics are pretty decent now. They fell off the rails around #120-130, but Flynn's got the hang of it now that he's in charge.
Edit: I'm teasing; I know you mean the kids who jumped in around Adventure/Shadow/Heroes/Sonic 2006.
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with younger Sonic fandom.
It's just the tragedy of two entirely different Sonic fanbases who aren't even speaking the same language.
Some people were playing top-quality videogames and wanted more of what they got in the 90s, while some people just loved the character, started reading the comics and "got into the videogames" (iffy as they were) and it's like they're not even talking about the same thing when they discuss "Sonic".
Considering, as I said, that FF was like my religion for decades... that newer fans love recent poor FF games for different "surface" reasons, actually scares me.
Luckily yes, on that example, I have heard the Sonic games have gotten better, and I will be checking them out. I literally own all the games of the old school and the new school, right up until the last 2 years when they apparently got good again.
DarknessTear
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Square-Enix's first foray into FPS development! Final Fantasy XIII PEW PEW EDITION! With the help of Eidos Montreal.
RomanticHeroX
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Wouldn't be their first try at an FPS. Hopefully that experience has taught them not to try it again.
King of the Potato People
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FF XIII-3 could be good and wouldnt need a lot of resources, just like XIII-2. It will probably be partly outsourced again. Cancelling it probably wouldnt really affect potential progress of XV or FFvsXIII (which may not even be in development) People wishing against XIII-3 being made, even though some people would enjoy it/make a bit of profit, are mostly feeling bitter.
idlethreats
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Been playing the FF franchise for 15+ years, starting with the SNES era, have beaten every entry in the main numbered series save the MMOs and XIII is hands down my favorite Final Fantasy. The XIII divide is not as black and white as "young fans vs. old fans," and I think those of us who do like XIII are a bit more diverse in terms of our FF exp than you're giving us credit for, yanno? Different strokes, different folks.
CosmicGroinPull
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Agreed. It's a pity because I think she's the best designed out of all FF heroines so far. I'll buy this new game too, but I won't unwrap it unless the reviews are good (just like XIII-2).
Seijuro
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you're not alone
if 13-3 is to 13-2 what 13-2 was to 13 it should be great.
needs more fang though!
SniperHunter
Banned
All the characters in FFXIII were totally lame, I don't understand why they are milking this series even more....I guess FFXIII-2 sold well enough in Japan :/
They are totally driving the series into the ground at this rate.
They are totally driving the series into the ground at this rate.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
More like several fanbases as opposed to two. You have people who like the new games exclusively, people who like the old games exclusively, people who like the new and old with some exceptions (basically most of SonicGAF), people who just like the comics/SatAM stuff, and 'that' segment of the fanbase which should be ignored outright and rightfully so.
FF's fanbase has a similar sort of split, and a similar set of fanbases, but it sometimes feels like the bases split more often because every game is divisive. There's all sorts of media out there for people to engage in like anime, light novels, and Advent Children in order to get introduced to the FF series. So going back to your example, people aren't really discussing the same thing when they want to talk FF because the FF media (whether it's anime, novels, movies, or games which create dichotomies of their own) are so different. People look for different things in FF.
From my perspective, FF isn't exactly what I want it to be at the moment, and I don't have a large appreciation for the current FF13 trilogy or whatever it's supposed to be. I'm not looking for stuff to look badass in a cutscene, nor do I desire to watch a ton of cutscenes. I just want a nice battle system, quest diversity, cohesive design, and maybe compelling characters on the side if I feel like the story and characters are written well. The FF13 games haven't done much for me in several of those aspects.
I can go back and play older FF games and enjoy my time with them, and I can get into newer RPGs in general. Thus my assumption is that I haven't grown out of the genre at all, but rather, it's just this set of FNC games that I don't find particularly engaging in most aspects (ex: story, characters, quests, etc); hence my desire to move on from the world. I'll still play the new game because I want to see if they've made changes or improved on systems, but I don't know if I'm going to like it from an 'overall package' standpoint.
I don't see it as a bad thing that people like the FF13 games, really; even if I snark about it. People like what they like, and given how FFXIII-2 ended, there should be a sequel explaining the consequences of the ending. Different strokes. I'm sure there'll be a future entry that I'll enjoy as much as how people who like the FF13 games enjoy them.
Edit: hey. At least the FF13 games aren't anything like this giant pile of garbage.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Yeah you're right. And I like a lot about the XIII series too (dat art, dat soundtrack, dat battle system).
But what set me off was people saying they couldn't play FF games before XIII, or preferred XIII to all others. That's frightening to me. Not that it's not an honest reaction: their opinion is valid. They like what they like. But it scares me, as an old school fan who thought that the XIIIs were full of good elements, but not up to what I understood (for two decades!) as the "par" for series quality. You mean this misstep in the series can just breed a new type of fan who doesn't care, or even prefers it? Scary.
That's why I'm saying: be you XIII-lover or otherwise... Let's all hope and ask for more from these games. I think we can all be satisfied. What you all liked about the XIIIs, I probably loved too, and I want that gameplay and storyline "sauce" that was missing. I think you'll all like it too.
King of the Potato People
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What were wrong with Sazh and Fang?
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Well said. I don't have much to add, because I couldn't agree more. We do have a similar perspective.
RurouniZel
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Final Fantasy XIII-3: Lightning Horse Odin Adventures
Calling it now.
Calling it now.
SniperHunter
Banned
I guess the story was just stupid...I couldn't care about a single character. It was a complete disaster
I'm probably older than you, and I liked FF13 all right, and FF13-2 much more. They aren't among my favorites in the series, but I still enjoyed both.
RurouniZel
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Final Fantasy XIII and XIII-2 are weird for me. The battle system is well done, and XIII-2 fixed a number of problems that XIII had in terms of gameplay, no issues with that. But I hated the stories in both, which makes it very hard for me to like them. :/
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
So did I. I liked them a lot. But they had major flaws not found in other FFs, yes?
XIII: Incoherent plotting (but great cutscenes). Too linear.
XIII-2: Incoherent plotting (but great cutscenes). Too open-world and janky, no focus, like a Kawazu Saga game.
I liked em a lot, but these were not like the older entries.... and as Dark Schala said in the post above: modern games still impress me. It's not me. These ones had flawed development and have some disappointing aspects. We shouldn't settle for their level, even as we enjoy and love what they did show us.
Moral Panic
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I think Caius is one of the best FF bad guys, but I hated Noel and his "I gotta save the future!". I hope this new game is a stand alone downloadable game. I wouldn't want to see how bad the sales numbers for a FF13-3 would be.
I can't help but wonder if it is the right decision to continue releasing cheap XIII games for reliable profit at the expense of possibly further damaging the brand.
I know some people do love these games (and for what it is worth, if I ignore that they are FF games I find them to be decent), but I think it is hard to deny that the reaction to them as a whole is overwhelmingly negative.
I would seriously consider sacrificing short term profit for the long term health of the brand if I were them.
I know some people do love these games (and for what it is worth, if I ignore that they are FF games I find them to be decent), but I think it is hard to deny that the reaction to them as a whole is overwhelmingly negative.
I would seriously consider sacrificing short term profit for the long term health of the brand if I were them.
RurouniZel
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I say go for it. XIII-2 retcons XIII's ending anyway, so I imagine you might like it better having not played it.
Awesome, thanks - so I won't spend the whole time wondering what the fuck I missed in the first one?
Meccanical
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Yay.
And by yay I mean I don't care.
And by yay I mean I don't care.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Well said. That's honestly what I would do if I were them, too.
I still don't get why FF13 being linear is such a huge problem when FF10 being super linear apparently wasn't. FF10 might be just a little more open, but not much. Well I do understand it, it's because the games released this generation make it much more obvious when directly compared, but it seems kinda mindblowing to see people like one and hate the other. It kinda reminds me of people who hated FF12 but love Xenoblade.
Plotting doesn't bother me, and the FF13 twins are certainly not the first FF games to have incoherent plotting.
sublimit
Banned
It's because it came after XII which was Square's first open world FF game (excluding XI).For many people going back to the level design of FFX was a huge step back even though we loved FFX back in 2000.
The expectations after XII were through the roof in terms of world design especially since this was the first FF of a new generation.
Therefore the disappointment.
The linearity is much more painful when you're constantly switching parties in a game with piss poor writing.
In FFX, I always wanted to progress since I loved the characters and the game's world/plot. Can't say the same for XIII.
Dungeon designs were also far better.
DR2K
Banned
FF10 made up for its linearity with a strong cast of characters and a great plot. The turn based battle system allowed for greater character diversity and being able to switch the cast around mid battle brought some much needed depth to turn based FF games. Plus the dungeon designs were considerably better.
It was to me. Even way back in 2001 when I first played X I remember thinking it felt oddly way more linear than any FF before it and I didn't like that about it.
Most uninteresting protagonist of all time gets more attention in a DLC of one of the worst JRPGs of all time.
Yeah, everybody has their opinion and I know some people love this game and I respect that! But you haven't a good taste in my opinion and I don't care what you think about me. This is the worst entry in the FF franchise ever and they should do everything to make people forget about it.
You can hate me now, FFXIII-Defense Force! I can take it
Yeah, everybody has their opinion and I know some people love this game and I respect that! But you haven't a good taste in my opinion and I don't care what you think about me. This is the worst entry in the FF franchise ever and they should do everything to make people forget about it.
You can hate me now, FFXIII-Defense Force! I can take it
Although they seem to be superficially similar at first I think they are remarkably different.
I think X finds several ways to somewhat mask the linearity. X has towns and plenty of NPCs to interact with, a variety of diversions and sidequests including an entire sport, puzzle solving segments, choice of which characters to use, etc. Finally, you can actually go back to previous areas once you get the airship.
Contrast it to XIII which really is just running down corridors fighting with occasional cutscenes for like 80% of the game. There is literally nothing else to do and it really makes you notice the linearity and lack of any sort of choice. You can do absolutely nothing but what Square allows you to do, and only with the characters that they force you to use. I can't ever even return to the locations pre Gran Pulse (not that their would be a point to do so).
And of course there is the much more subjective problem that X, for many, simply had more compelling characters, world, and story - all helped to immerse them into the experience.
Also, I think X gets more of a free pass because it was Square's first attempt at a post PS1, fully 3D and voice acted FF.
SE, giving you what you don't want even after you don't buy their games and ask for something else.
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