chitzy
Banned
Nah, they're still retarded no matter how many retcons and no matter how much convoluted bullshit they try to pile on top of it.
As soon as you inject alternate timelines/realities into something, it's no longer worth trying to take it seriously.
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Paracelsus
Member
You don't want to go there, because if you bring back the bigger characters, why not dig deeper and bring back a certain lady that still passes away in FFVII-2, why not bring back Cloud's mother.
As a matter of fact, why not bring back Zangan so Tifa is happy too, why not bring back Ifalna since she's privileged class in the lifestream, and her husband because why the hell not?
Or is it a Dragon Ball thing, like "only people dead within the last 365 days can be revived"?
chitzy
Banned
Not to mention that death becomes meaningless once you introduce resurrection
its_Ditz
Member
Fuz
Banned
Fucking bastards ruining our only chance for a VII remake.
Do we know how Japan received this shit?
Dark Oni
Member
wow
what is this never imagined it would turn out this badthis shows how incompetent square is they couldn't even take a game that's already made and just upgrade it
it takes them 5 years for 10% of the game and even then its this butchered story fanfic stuff we end up with
get lost square learn from enix
they could've made open world like DQ11 and completed the whole game in 5 years and stuck as much as possible to original story didn't have to go so crazy with the graphics even the ps3 tech demo ones would've done nicely
idiots
NecrosaroIII
Banned
Zangen didn't die
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I wasn't I initially going to come in here, but I heard enough to want to know more. Sounds like they didn't make the game to replace the PS1 game. They made a game to play that's based on a game from the PS1 era.
Horatius
Member
like lmaaaaao it's ffvii: remake not because
it's a literal remake but because the world is "remade" within the context of the plot
it's so fucking dumb i love it
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ExpandKong
Banned
It's like Nomura wanted to make a totally new game based loosely on FF7 but he couldn't just do that for some reason so he had to have the characters jump through these ridiculous narrative hoops to justify where he wants the new game to go.
It's like the X-Men movies where instead of just rebooting them after X3 shit the bed they did the whole Days Of Future Past thing.
Horatius
Member
yeeeeah
i get the feeling he didnt want to do a ffvii remake at all but they made him and this was his compromise
ill do it if im allowed to fuck it up entirely guys
ExpandKong
Banned
That's all well and good, but that's not what the fans have been asking for for decades, is it?
Final Fantasy has been more miss than hit since last generation. This was the safest of safe bets SE could've taken to win back some goodwill from the fans.
stickkidsam
Member
If they can still pull something interesting off with this new direction ala the Rebuild of Evangelion that would be sweet, but from the sounds of it (haven't read any spoilers, just impressions and the final trailer) this is going to be really skirting the line... I worry we will see some stupidly out of character bullshit done to make this new storyline work.
Fuz
Banned
Yeah, this is probably the last nail on the coffin. They won't recover from this.
Pejo
Member
ExpandKong
Banned
chitzy
Banned
I just watched a stream of the last 3-4 hours of the game. Even ignoring the horrendous hack job they did to the plot, I don't think I've ever seen a game go to shit so fast. The pacing is absolutely awful; a string of back to back boss fights that are way too long and honestly just boring and tedious. The streamer had never played the original FF7 and had no fucking clue what was going on anymore once Sephiroth showed up at Shinra HQ. On top of that, the dialogue goes to maximum cringe, with Cloud going so far out of character to call Sephiroth "bitch". This could go down as one of the great blunders in gaming history.
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Horatius
Member
you're changing the definition of remake here lol
no one wanted a remaster, a remaster would be upping the resolution and rereleasing it (they already did that)
a remake would be the same game remade
this is literally an alternate universe sequel where the original game still already happened
Strider7
Member
I'm absolutely going to give it a chance and play through it, but I don't see how they could fuck up something so simple. I'm all on board with the gameplay changes and structure change, but these plot leaks just sound like some cringe-ass Kingdom Hearts bullshit.
This is what we get for making the mistake of letting Nomura out of his cell where he's been endlessly sketching zippers and buckles. It isn't the FF7 we wanted, but it's the one we deserve.
This is what we get for making the mistake of letting Nomura out of his cell where he's been endlessly sketching zippers and buckles. It isn't the FF7 we wanted, but it's the one we deserve.
-Arcadia-
Banned
I've never played any version of this game myself. Watched quite a bit. Take that where it comes from.
The remake being a surprise sequel? Essentially acknowledging itself as a remake in-universe, then representing those boundaries as the hands of fate, that need to be pushed against? Actually kind of sounds brilliant to me. What a way to surprise fans. Anything can happen, now.
I see that some wanted something more simple, and I respect that, but this sounds like the coolest thing ever.
The remake being a surprise sequel? Essentially acknowledging itself as a remake in-universe, then representing those boundaries as the hands of fate, that need to be pushed against? Actually kind of sounds brilliant to me. What a way to surprise fans. Anything can happen, now.
I see that some wanted something more simple, and I respect that, but this sounds like the coolest thing ever.
ExpandKong
Banned
Is he trying to do some Kojima-style meta commentary with this? Are the whispers of fate supposed to be the fans of FF7? "THIS ISN'T WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN, YOU TWO GO OVER HERE OKAY?"
I guess the question going forward is: is Nomura going to use this setup to only make a few alterations to the original FF7 story (i.e. letting Aerith live) or is it going to be all new crazy shit?
Maybe the reaction to this game will dictate the answer to that.
The problem here is that I have zero faith in Nomura's ability to pull off such a gamble. The dude is an awful writer.
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chitzy
Banned
The people trying to play semantic games with the word "Remake" are a joke. The fact is that this has been marketed the last five years as the original FF7 story remade with a modern game engine. At no point in time were fans ever asking for the first part of the FF7 combined with a Nomura-fucked retarded twist at the end.
-Arcadia-
Banned
For what it's worth, I think it'll keep following the FF7 path. It's just that the journey is going to be full of new possibilities this time. Nothing will necessarily play out exactly as it did, but they're still on the same road, if that makes sense.
majestix1988
Member
the game lost its "plot" twist that needed to change due the game itself changes the following:
1. unreliable narrator is cloud on original everything change on these game( now this cloud not telling those buttons and other unrelated things(mostly not 4th wall breaking) technically this is not cloud you know to be but its same cloud.....
2. the world itself telling how to battle/stagger and everything how interact this world this one mostly cloud do this(how to equip materia and that beginner hall that he will talk everything how to battle)
if you are asking what is plot twist i talking about:
if you are guy who judge early please play again...or watch the damned video~
1. unreliable narrator is cloud on original everything change on these game( now this cloud not telling those buttons and other unrelated things(mostly not 4th wall breaking) technically this is not cloud you know to be but its same cloud.....
2. the world itself telling how to battle/stagger and everything how interact this world this one mostly cloud do this(how to equip materia and that beginner hall that he will talk everything how to battle)
if you are asking what is plot twist i talking about:
if you are guy who judge early please play again...or watch the damned video~
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chitzy
Banned
I doubt it, seems impossible to do at this point with so much of the later plot already out of the bag. It seems unlikely to me that Square is going to give players an open world a la the original FF7. It's going to be another linear, on-rails Final Fantasy affair.
saintjules
Member
chitzy
Banned
They did a beautiful job recreating Midgar
ExpandKong
Banned
This whole thing is gonna end with seven Clouds fighting thirteen Sephiroths isn't it
Paracelsus
Member
A remake is a remake the moment you change engine.
Zelda OoT in Unreal Engine is a remake, even if it's the same game that plays exactly the same.
"It's ok because it's a remake" means absolutely nothing, it's not a "get out of jail" card.
Zelda OoT in Unreal Engine is a remake, even if it's the same game that plays exactly the same.
"It's ok because it's a remake" means absolutely nothing, it's not a "get out of jail" card.
Werewolf Jones
Member
Why do Nomura and Nojima like using DARKNESS as a plot device all the time? Bro you're like 50. Not 12.
-Arcadia-
Banned
'You know Cloud, we really are the Final Fantasy 7'
stickkidsam
Member
Darkness and ominous demons can be used in mature or interesting ways. It helps make something timeless and archetypal so you can tackle a variety of stories that the audience can still relate to in a broad sense. I mean shit, Lord of the Rings is a fantastic example of using and personifying"darkness".
The problem with Nomura seems to be that he throws the idea of "darkness" around so interchangeably that it loses all meaning and impact. I wanted to think it was just him making some mistakes with Kingdom Hearts but I guess it's just how he tells stories. The guy needs a straight man to balance out his insane ideas because it's not like he doesn't have some cool concepts. They just get lost in everything else he tries to stuff in.
Freeman76
Member
What they have done to this classic game is laughable. Aside from the nostalgia of the music and Midgar itself, they have failed to understand what made their own game so brilliant. The shit sidequests feel so out of place, lets spend 2 hours catching cats and killing rats...i mean ffs. The fact the orginal game has already taken place is a complete piss take, you know when a remake has failed when all it makes you want to do is play the original. Such a shame 
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Spokker
Member
I just realized why they wrote FF7 Remake Episode 1 the way they did. It's so they don't have to remake the rest of FF7. They can go in any direction. They can pick and choose what they want to recreate, which will be way cheaper than the enormous burden of a proper 1:1 remake.
It's kind of a bait and switch if they go that route.
It's kind of a bait and switch if they go that route.
And I have no doubt the rest of the episodes will be like this.
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Freeman76
Member
Yes this is blatantly how it will go. There is no way they will do the open world bit. It will be intetesting to see the reviews of this!
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Why remake one of the best games ever with one of the most awesome stories, only to change it all...?
I just beat RE3, and they did the same thing there. Wasn't anything like the original at all...
What a bullshit trend... Ugh...
I just beat RE3, and they did the same thing there. Wasn't anything like the original at all...
What a bullshit trend... Ugh...
MMaRsu
Member
GymWolf
Member
your joke is not funny dude
and after mgs twin snakes being a shitty remake of my favourite game ever, here is ff7 remake, a shitty remake of my second favourite game ever.
i expect parasite eve remake being a puzzle game with a black transexual soyboy as a protagonist being the next.
holy fucking shit.
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stargateheaven
Member
So i'm at chapter 9 and.. i have some complaints.
For an RPG, you're super limited where you can go. I know the original was linear in midgar, but this is ridiculous. you're OFTEN told "no, not that way!" and forced to turn around.
Don't bother exploring, RARELY do you find a hidden chestor item.Most of the time you find empty areas.
Aerith's voice acting grinds me.. (i guess this one is just personal opinion)
where the hell are all the chests? they're all in plain sight. Never contain anything useful. Always just a potion, never some secret item or weapon.
The graphics on chapter 1 and 2 are great. They slowly get worse and worse as you play through. It felt like i was playing this movie at the beginning, now it feels like a late ps3 game besides the characters.
While not the fault of the English actors, you can tell the animation is based on the Japanese talk, posing as they talk.
lack of side missions.. like seriously.. so far at least.
unimagintive trophies. you get many of them in the first 10 minutes of the game
the good side of things though.
Character models are beyond amazing. You've never seen such high quality models before.
music is fantastic as always in FF
voice acting (besides aerith imo) is great. Especially new cloud and barrett.
some great character development, especially biggs and wedge.
some of these are just my opinion, but yeah..
For an RPG, you're super limited where you can go. I know the original was linear in midgar, but this is ridiculous. you're OFTEN told "no, not that way!" and forced to turn around.
Don't bother exploring, RARELY do you find a hidden chestor item.Most of the time you find empty areas.
Aerith's voice acting grinds me.. (i guess this one is just personal opinion)
where the hell are all the chests? they're all in plain sight. Never contain anything useful. Always just a potion, never some secret item or weapon.
The graphics on chapter 1 and 2 are great. They slowly get worse and worse as you play through. It felt like i was playing this movie at the beginning, now it feels like a late ps3 game besides the characters.
While not the fault of the English actors, you can tell the animation is based on the Japanese talk, posing as they talk.
lack of side missions.. like seriously.. so far at least.
unimagintive trophies. you get many of them in the first 10 minutes of the game
the good side of things though.
Character models are beyond amazing. You've never seen such high quality models before.
music is fantastic as always in FF
voice acting (besides aerith imo) is great. Especially new cloud and barrett.
some great character development, especially biggs and wedge.
some of these are just my opinion, but yeah..
^ I would have to agree with all of those - points, minus the graphics. I'm also just at Wall Market and haven't seen any deterioration in graphics as I progress.
RE: lack of chests, same sort of thing - the bit before you fight Air Buster and you can decide which bits to discard from the boss, my RPG instinct told me to prioritise the M-item ones first. It would mean I would have a harder fight but would surely be rewarded with some good items... nope! They were just potions and ethers! I was so annoyed lol.
RE: lack of chests, same sort of thing - the bit before you fight Air Buster and you can decide which bits to discard from the boss, my RPG instinct told me to prioritise the M-item ones first. It would mean I would have a harder fight but would surely be rewarded with some good items... nope! They were just potions and ethers! I was so annoyed lol.