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FINAL FANTASY Community Thread: XV Mainline Entries and Counting
- Thread starter Kagari
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Obviously my FF is better because I like it so much. Since I'm not you, I'm inclined to pick mine over yours. Unless you agree with me.
DIs FF logic being real is what sucks.
This logic works in all gaming situations.
My favorite Pokemon is the best.
My favorite Smash is the best.
My favorite Metal Gear is the best.
My favorite console is the best.
My favorite chin of Gaben's is the best.
I would say the only ones that really compare are Zelda and Pokemon. MGS is generally either all of them are good except 4 or all of them are good.
Zelda has it just as bad as FF.
There are those jerks who insist nothing after MGS2 is good.
Meccanical
Member
Every MGS is delightfully stupid, if you like one you should really like them all.
(Except MGS4 which was a movie)
(Except MGS4 which was a movie)
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Well, I can understand MGS 2 fans not liking MGS 4 since MGS 4 retcons shit tons of what MGS 2 put forth. Don't know what their problem with MGS 3 is.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Listened to Final Fantasy XIII's soundtrack with my new head phones.
Like sex in my ear, man.
Like sex in my ear, man.
Really is a good OST. Best part of the game and no doubt the source of my nostalgia.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
FFXIII
I'm 15 hours in give or take a couple hours, and I'm really trying you guys but god damn this is getting tough. Sooooo boring. The production value feels all over the place. The graphics at times are like some of the best I've seen on PS3. All them colors. All them artistic flairs. Even the CGI cutscenes are impressive which is rare for me these days. But the animations are kind of terrible. And the areas are sooooo devoid of ANYTHING lol
I'm at the part where Snow rides in with Shiva. I'm pretty sure at this point Fang is the only character I actually like if only because I know nothing about her yet. I'm sure when she reveals her generic backstory and/or gives the motivational speech to the team I will roll my eyes. And I really don't think this was a lost-in-translation kind of thing, the translation in this game is actually pretty good, throwing in nuances you'd come across from a native English speaker. Even in it's native language, the story of this game can't be too good, no way.
edit: Also this game has the worst catchphrases. "Heroes don't need plans!" "Operation NORA!" "Need to have hope to live because no hope is just a way to die." Argh anger rising
When Cloud said "Let's mosey." I'm pretty sure I remember his party members calling him out on that kinda dumb shit. When Squall was giving orders to Balamb Garden to protect the hot dogs in the campus restaurant from Galbadian soldiers, I'm pretty sure that was actually inspiring. When Tidus said, well, anything, I'm pretty sure I remember his party members rolling their eyes too. But in FFXIII everyone is Tidus
I'm 15 hours in give or take a couple hours, and I'm really trying you guys but god damn this is getting tough. Sooooo boring. The production value feels all over the place. The graphics at times are like some of the best I've seen on PS3. All them colors. All them artistic flairs. Even the CGI cutscenes are impressive which is rare for me these days. But the animations are kind of terrible. And the areas are sooooo devoid of ANYTHING lol
I'm at the part where Snow rides in with Shiva. I'm pretty sure at this point Fang is the only character I actually like if only because I know nothing about her yet. I'm sure when she reveals her generic backstory and/or gives the motivational speech to the team I will roll my eyes. And I really don't think this was a lost-in-translation kind of thing, the translation in this game is actually pretty good, throwing in nuances you'd come across from a native English speaker. Even in it's native language, the story of this game can't be too good, no way.
edit: Also this game has the worst catchphrases. "Heroes don't need plans!" "Operation NORA!" "Need to have hope to live because no hope is just a way to die." Argh anger rising
When Cloud said "Let's mosey." I'm pretty sure I remember his party members calling him out on that kinda dumb shit. When Squall was giving orders to Balamb Garden to protect the hot dogs in the campus restaurant from Galbadian soldiers, I'm pretty sure that was actually inspiring. When Tidus said, well, anything, I'm pretty sure I remember his party members rolling their eyes too. But in FFXIII everyone is Tidus
hipsterpants
Member
So what's the speculation for when FFX HD is going to be released? The TGS? English trailer said "this winter" so I'm guessing January?
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Just now listened to the Final Fantasy XIV ARR song "Answers" that played through during the ARR opening cinematic. Got the chills, man.
The writing doesn't get better not even in sequels and the whole story in XIII-2 is even more stupid.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Only good part is 2:37 onwards.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Balancing a singleplayer JRPG must be pretty tough. With fighting games and RTS there's a lot of factors, but the matches in those games take up a limited space of time. With JRPGs you have a loooong game to account for with tons of abilities. So far XIII has handled this well by heavily restricting the advancement of your characters. Bad for player choice, absolutely, but the challenge feels just right except for one key area imo: I don't think you should be able to Retry. The game should kick you to the title menu. There's a ton of save points in XIII, and waiting for the menu to go through the motions and load your game serves as a penalty for the player.
Anyways I'm still in Chapter 7 but I'm back to enjoying myself again. Fang is a pretty cool gal. Seh casts Slowga and doesn't afraid of anything.
I would say that FFVIII is still the more incoherent story however. FFXIII tries to establish it's lore at least with datalogs. It doesn't necessarily establish it in a way that's not stupid but it does try. With FFVIII you had stuff like draw points, gf-induced amnesia, gunblades (as opposed to a sword that can turn into a gun), flying college campuses, time kompression....
Anyways I'm still in Chapter 7 but I'm back to enjoying myself again. Fang is a pretty cool gal. Seh casts Slowga and doesn't afraid of anything.
I would say that FFVIII is still the more incoherent story however. FFXIII tries to establish it's lore at least with datalogs. It doesn't necessarily establish it in a way that's not stupid but it does try. With FFVIII you had stuff like draw points, gf-induced amnesia, gunblades (as opposed to a sword that can turn into a gun), flying college campuses, time kompression....
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
What's the point of kicking a player to the menu? Punishment in the form of load times? All it does is waste 2 or so minutes.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Speaking of FFVIII, I really really love its Sound FX, especially the vivid footstep sound and the sound when you load a save file.
Shadow Hearts: Covenant is another game that did the footstep sound right.
Shadow Hearts: Covenant is another game that did the footstep sound right.
I also cried at MGS4's ending. It was so bad it reduced me to tears.
But I don't agree that it's only after MGS2, the third game is beloved my many and is usually praised. The two games that get the most flack are 2 and 4 with IMO 4 deserving a lot of it while 2 was good.
No, no, no, I said UNironically.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Not only that, but you would lose progress since before the last save just like in other FFs. So if you died to a boss, started again at the save point, and maybe there were enemies before that boss, you would have to fight them again. It would be more of an incentive to play smart and give the player more excitement when taking chances in high tension battles.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
They should have a feature where if you suck so bad it deletes your save data and bumps you down to level 1. And erases your inventory and leaves you with Excalipoor.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
But that would be counter productive to what they want the player to do, which is for the player to be experimental with the battle system. Punishing them with lost progress will only cause them to play it safe, which will cause a player to become more and more defensive. Playing on defense 99% of the time is not fun in XIII, but that's what people will do (and in some cases still did regardless) if they think they're about to lose 30 minutes of progress. Most of the fun to be had with XIII's gameplay is tinkering around with the battle system. Punishing the player for it is, as I said, counter intuitive.
hipsterpants
Member
That's one of the main things that turned me off on FFVIII when I first played it. Especially compared to FFVII where the materia system is fully explained and plot important, VIII is just like "there are these monster things you can equip to yourself" and that's it. It's such a creative world but no effort was really put into explaining why things were the way they were.
Hm? VIII has a much clearer world than XIII and doesn't rely on it's datalog to get the information. VIII's datalog has tidbits of background information to give more details but nothing important enough to change how you view the story.
GF amnesia is basically a fee for using their powers.
What exactly needs to be explained about a gunblade in VIII? It's a sword with a revolver attached and it uses blanks to give the blade a blast when attacking hence the R1 attacks for Squall and Seifer. It doesn't actually fire bullets or anything. It's also a very unpopular weapon due to how hard it is to handle which is why Seifer and Squall are the only two seen weilding them.
I'm also not sure what needs explaining about gardens and their ability to fly. In this world, the schools were built with emergency systems in case of an attack to be mobile.
As for Time Compression(it's a translators mistake with the K, she pronounces it normally) What are you confused about? the game explains a lot of it so I'm not sure what exactly you don't understand.
But why are they dumb? How is a gunblade any dumber than a giant buster sword? or how about XIII copying VIII's Gunblade idea and making it more odd of a creation and having it turn into a sword and a funtional gun?
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Don't be that guy.
But of course I know, I just meant XIII's way of making a gunblade. It more or less transforms into either while in real life it's generally just a knife attached to a gun.
And let's get real, VIII's is the coolest.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Don't be that guy.
But of course I know, I just meant XIII's way of making a gunblade. It more or less transforms into either while in real life it's generally just a knife attached to a gun.
And let's get real, VIII's is the coolest.
*Being that guy*
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
I was that guy.
I feel bad for being that guy.
I'll go stand in a corner now.
I feel bad for being that guy.
I'll go stand in a corner now.
*Being that guy*
:lol :lol :lol
That looks like a stapler. The fact something like that even remotely exists is killing me. So dumb looking.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
They're dumb because they don't appeal to my particular aesthetic sensibilities brah.
The music and setting of VIII are my favorite in the series. Story, at times, was pretty awesome. Especially the Disc 1 and 2 armed conflict stuff. Everything from Disc 3 either I don't remember or don't wanna remember >__>
Blood Diamonds
Banned
I've been playing Final Fantasy XIII lately. I gotta say I really like it, I find the battle system fun and the story is good enough for me. I see where all the hate is coming from but I wish I would have tried it earlier, it's really fun.
I personally loved VIII's system because the junctioning allowed so much customization. I like being able to turn the game into a job system style or a broken play through or a challenge.
Drawing is lame though. Thankfully it's not recommended.
You sicken me. Bro.
But VIII's plots good, even after the third disc =D
Honestly XIII would've been ok on its own (aside from team NORA. FUUUUUCK those guys). I mean, it would've still been an enormous disappointment, but we all woulda gotten over it.
XIII-2 is bull shit, though. Mostly cuz of that fricking ending.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Eh I dunno, I've played FF 7, X, XII, and now XIII and I still thought XIII is good/okay.
I'm going to be honest, I was lost when the game started, it was weird. Not much was being explained and then I checked out the Datalog and it explained what I was being confused about, since then I read every update on the events section because it explains things that can't be seen during a cutscene. For example when
Hope is on Snow's back he just takes the knife out and looks at it but the Datalog says he was thinking about killing Snow right there but he couldn't.
It probably helps that I started the game not expecting anything good at all going by everything that was said about it.
I'm finishing up Wolf Children, but then I'll pop over to the Anime thread with my thoughts on both.
Kinda busy right now, and I've gone into detail before why I think it isn't polished and is disappointing, but I think a comparison between XII and XIII from a gameplay perspective is illustrative. Namely, in XII there is so much more freedom of exploration, of character development, and even in battle options. XIII's strong points are the Paradigm shifting, the pacing of battle, the visuals and the music. But the game is incredibly barren in terms of what you can do and where you can go both in and out of battle. I categorically reject the notion that the game's plot excuses these faults, and I do so in no small part because the game didn't even have a playable form until the demo came out. Or rather, the developers are on record as saying they had no idea how the game would play until they made the demo, and as someone who saw the trailers in 06 and 07 and then saw nothing until I played the game in late 010, yeah, it definitely shows.
XIII was pretty disappointing, but I could've lived with it, and I admit I like to go back and replay it, too. It was XIII-2 that soured me forever. Aside from Snow, Hope, and Team NORA. FUCK those people.
I kinda feel like Sazh is one of the only good characters in the game. Playing as Snow and Hope is what killed my soul and faith in console RPGs.
Blood Diamonds
Banned
I felt this way too until Chapter 8 when shit hit the fan. I thought they were lumped together just cause but it turns out it was way more than that.
I'm on Chapter 9 but yeah it's been corridors up until now and I'm beginning to think about how large Final Fantasy 12 was. I hate myself for not finishing it, I think I was pretty close to the final boss but then my disk broke.
Man, Final Fantasy 12 was amazing.
Depending on your level, you have about 5 hours to go, assuming you only have to grind and don't spend it doing quests.
I had about 75 hours total.
Awesome thanks. If it's about 5 hours more than it looks like I'll be finishing with around 75 also.
What level's your party?
Meccanical
Member
Even the tech demo was a fucking corridor.