CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
OT isn't too bad as long as you know where to look and what to avoid (then again I've only been in OT for about a month now). Gaming side is to the point where I avoid 95% of the threads.
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FINAL FANTASY Community Thread: XV Mainline Entries and Counting
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OT isn't too bad as long as you know where to look and what to avoid (then again I've only been in OT for about a month now). Gaming side is to the point where I avoid 95% of the threads.
Community > All.
Not surprised. Censorship seems to be one of the topics where both sides absolutely refuse to try and understand the opposite point of view.
Gaming side is really entertaining now (and has been for ~8 months) thanks to PS4 and Xbone. A bit hard to find anything actually worthwhile though, sure.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
OT used to be funnier and better a few years ago, imo. Plus all the better/more concentrated threads got moved to OT community anyway.
Gaming side hasn't been the same in 2+ years, which is a shame. I used to read it with rapt attention since late 2007 and now I just shake my head at multiple threads.
Gaming side hasn't been the same in 2+ years, which is a shame. I used to read it with rapt attention since late 2007 and now I just shake my head at multiple threads.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
True.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
For me, it was entertaining for a month or two. Almost a year in? I'm tired of the amount of dick sucking (let's call it what it is), confirmation bias, and just plain stupidity of it all.
OT's problem, if I may back-seat mod for just a second, is too many sensationalist thread titles. Even if a news story's official head line is that sensationalist, I feel like there are way too many, but it isn't just news stories. Sometimes you get loaded thread titles like "How do Christians justify being horrible child molesters?" and or "If you vote Republican you are for systemized genocide" or something. Never those exact titles, but I'm sure you get the point.
Gaming Side has too many dang list threads.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I miss Gaborn.
I totally understand this, I fortunately just happen to be easily entertained when it comes to this stuff. I can see myself getting tired of it after another six months though, after which it just gets annoying as fuck
Good thing I haven't wasted a second here though
I do, too. I feel like it was kinda localized when Gaborn was around.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Who/what is Gaborn?
I guess that's fair. Ignoring the atrocious storyline, the gameplay was fun.
What's going on in the BD thread?
He was a member here who always posted really depressing stories but he was loved for it. He passed away a year ago I believe.
Bad (and/or Terrible) news just isn't the same without him.
Can't really comment much on OT, but while I was originally opposed to the creation of OT Community, I kinda like it now.
You are right about Gaming side though. The quality of threads has dropped significantly in the last year or two.
Crazy people saying that Yoshida artwork encourages pedophilia.
tiggerkiddo
Member
We should all just go play games instead.
Screw games, I should go back to watching my animus. All this Holiday cheer and new video game magic has prevented me from doing what I do best: complaining about anime I already know sucks.
tiggerkiddo
Member
You sure like misery...you need some new games
Wha....?
I will fucking end them.
No but seriously, that is beyond fucking stupid. Yoshida's artwork is amazing.
Professor Beef
Banned
This is what I've been doing more of instead of wasting energy trying to educate people who don't care, and I'd say it's been working swimmingly.
Actually reading the thread, I don't really disagree with the posters supporting censorship.
It's wrong to say he encourages pedophilia but the chibi designs wearing costumes like that is kind of gross. That and, the changes aren't even that big of a deal. People get worked up over the dumbest shit.
It's wrong to say he encourages pedophilia but the chibi designs wearing costumes like that is kind of gross. That and, the changes aren't even that big of a deal. People get worked up over the dumbest shit.
For the record I don't care about them altering the costumes. I don't really see the chibi designs being sexed up as gross because they have all the anatomical appeal of Fisher Price Little People. That said, I don't really mind the costume alterations at all. It's not like when NoA censored the Tharja fan service and somehow made it even racier.
I got new games for Christmas. When I'm tired of being abused by Atlus I play SM3D World for kitty fun. Well, except tomorrow I am going back to school so that's that. Still, I got Sly 4 to keep me cheery, and P4Golden is like a gosh dang dream.
Plus BD is coming and Team DoomTrain gonna do what Squaredon't and give me translated Type-0.
I just like to be Oscar the grouch is all.
The good thing that I found in that thread was this:
FF4 Localization Comparisons. It's an indepth look at how FF4's localizations have expressed various parts of the plot and stuff. Fascinating, especially since I love 4.
FF4 Localization Comparisons. It's an indepth look at how FF4's localizations have expressed various parts of the plot and stuff. Fascinating, especially since I love 4.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I told you about how the SNES version of 4 adds unnecessary dialogue at the beginning, though. Corvo don't read what I write, confirmed.
I think the costume changes in BD are kinda better. *shrug* One's a sidequest outfit (that you get when you do another sidequest--and it's only an outfit, not a job), and the other's one of the Vampire job's outfits. I do like that they aged up the characters by three years. Not only does it make their dialogue more politically sound in some areas that do involve religion vs secularism and war tactics, but it also makes some events like the aforementioned sidequest make more sense in a western context.
Listened to more of the FFX HD remastered soundtrack, and the Nakano-arranged tracks are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy better than the Hamauzu-arranged tracks, it's not even funny. Dude stuck to the source material for the most part and just built upon it without overdoing it. That's the way it should be.
I think the costume changes in BD are kinda better. *shrug* One's a sidequest outfit (that you get when you do another sidequest--and it's only an outfit, not a job), and the other's one of the Vampire job's outfits. I do like that they aged up the characters by three years. Not only does it make their dialogue more politically sound in some areas that do involve religion vs secularism and war tactics, but it also makes some events like the aforementioned sidequest make more sense in a western context.
Listened to more of the FFX HD remastered soundtrack, and the Nakano-arranged tracks are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy better than the Hamauzu-arranged tracks, it's not even funny. Dude stuck to the source material for the most part and just built upon it without overdoing it. That's the way it should be.
I've only perused the first bits of the article, but something the guy sort of avoids, I felt, is that the English version is much clearer about what the thing is that's bugging folks. Like the first part of the Japanese is the better "We're arriving in Baron, Cecil is upset." these concepts are more clearly expressed in the Japanese opening, but then it gets all vague about "that" which is something I fucking hate and is a sign that a translator doesn't give a fuck.
From my understanding "that" works in Japan because conversations are High Context. As in "You should just be able to understand what "that" means." but in English we're Low Context and so "that" is an incredibly vague thing to say.
"I guess the Captain feels the same way . . . ?" is a vague statement, and it isn't for another two lines we realize that they're referring to "Baron stealing Crystals." Whereas the entire concept is laid out in a fairly clear way in the third line in English "Why are we robbing Crystals from innocent people?" I suppose, though, you could argue that there is no segue from "Arriving in Baron" to "We're all miffed about nicking Crystals" in English while there is in Japanese.
As to the age up I'm all for it because I always feel that protagonists in FF games are too young for most stuff anyway. Probably why I shamefully prefer Big Link to Little.
Dang, that's a perfect explanation for something I could never put to words before. Whenever people dump a pile of text on me to translate I keep asking for what the hell it's about, who is saying what and why before I can even get anywhere near started. I keep saying I need context but people don't get why. Things don't translate directly because so much is implied.
At long last what I study in college has become of use
But yeah, we learned a lot about how Japanese communication was indirect while American/English/German was direct, and how this caused a lot of problems between the two groups.
Awesome, I never studied it, just osmosis.. so I could never explain this properly for AGES. Esp when someone sends me like an FF11/14 screenshot of a linkshell convo and I'm like "here are 30 questions before I tell you what is being said".
Ah. Well I study International Relations/Politics, and I had a class on Cultural Paradigms where this all came up. It's why it's hard to translate from one thing to another all the time anyway. Like, I speak American English and Brazilian Portuguese and while the languages are super close comparatively, my tutor this last semester was raking my ass over the coals constantly because unless you stop thinking in one language and think in another, you can't really escape having your message somewhat bungled by lingual/cultural concepts.
It was a fascinating class.
I think I actually like the changed costumes better, but censorship is censorship and one of the things I oppose strongly. I'm just afraid the censoring will easily get harsher and harsher if we allow it just like that. It's a hard argument to take part of too, no matter what you say, you'll most likely just be branded a pedophile. It's pathetic, really.
Someday I'd like to know what goes down in the office when they decide to censor these though. Like, who do they think they are protecting? Who is supposed to be offended if a costume shows some bellybutton? I can understand banning violent games - I don't agree with it and I think the people who do this are massive fucking idiots, dismissing the real problem and just sweeping it under the rug - at least they genuinely think they're preventing school shootings and what not. I would probably hate living in Germany or Australia lol
Sometimes it feels like these decisions are made by the worst hypocrites I know, the kind of people who get offended for other people, blind to the implications of their actions. Just so they can feel better about themselves.
e: here i am, talking about censorship when i wasn't going to lol. it's a slow and boring morning, spare me!
sometimes i wish i wasn't studying engineering, we only get very practical classes, even the non-obligatory ones. no simply interesting classes like this one here.
qualitydisc
Member
Because they're all on these :
Final Fantasy IV: Now for Blackberry and Motorola RAZR
Bring on the awfully cheesy bromance. It's time, Final Fantasy.
It's an old April Fools' joke
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
I just watched a subbed version of the ending of LR and other parts.
I thought context and seeing a clear English translation would help.
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It didn't.
It made it worse.
And I know for a fact, from what we've heard of the English performances so far, it's gonna be even worse in the Dub.
Maybe if I gave a shit about the story I would be more okay with the ending, but after XIII-2... I just can't bring myself to honestly care about the story, plot, characters, or anything else. So seeing the ending in all it's "glory" in a language I can understand just made me shake my head and face palm the entire time.
I don't...
And it wouldn't be so bad if the dialogue was better. It's just bad dialogue stacked on poorly executed cliches and
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Oh, and then... SURPRISE!
I thought context and seeing a clear English translation would help.
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It didn't.
It made it worse.
And I know for a fact, from what we've heard of the English performances so far, it's gonna be even worse in the Dub.
Maybe if I gave a shit about the story I would be more okay with the ending, but after XIII-2... I just can't bring myself to honestly care about the story, plot, characters, or anything else. So seeing the ending in all it's "glory" in a language I can understand just made me shake my head and face palm the entire time.
They killed Bhuni with a soul beam made of hope. After giving a cringe worthy speech about hope. And then Lightning and co. superman through Bhuni, finishing him off.
And it wouldn't be so bad if the dialogue was better. It's just bad dialogue stacked on poorly executed cliches and
fucking soul beams made of hope
Oh, and then... SURPRISE!
Turns out this was the creation myth for OUR world. Foreshadowing IN THE ACTUAL NARRATIVE BEFORE THE 11TH HOUR? What's that?
I wanted to wait until the HD-Version comes out before reading where they would take the story with X-2.5/X-3 (which one ist, seriously), because I never finished X-2, but it seems like it's not even worth reading at all.
I hope it will stay the way it is and never become reality...
I hope it will stay the way it is and never become reality...
Meccanical
Member
Who's that scrub that got bodied?
So I finished Final Fantasy V. I definitely can see why this game gets its fair share of praise. Job system puts more emphasis on your set up and preparation before battles and bosses. Customizing the party's equips, classes, and abilities and finding what is effective and was really engaging, and opens up the possibilities in how you approach things. There are probably lots of class-subclass-equipment combinations I haven't even considered. I didn't utilize magic as effectively as I could have, maybe; I mostly used physical classes with !spellblade when I needed elemental affinities.
And those similar systems set the game up well for challenges and replays, certainly. I played my first time through with no restrictions, but I'll certainly try out a restricted playthrough eventually, probably in the next 'Fiesta'.
Oh and Gilgamesh is sorta cool.
And those similar systems set the game up well for challenges and replays, certainly. I played my first time through with no restrictions, but I'll certainly try out a restricted playthrough eventually, probably in the next 'Fiesta'.
Oh and Gilgamesh is sorta cool.
FF5 has more than one job that can break the game on its own. If you don't really experiment (which the Fiestas are great at), you won't find the 50+ ways you can steamroll the game with certain job combinations.
Some shmuck that accepted his letter of challenge and got wrecked for it.
Some shmuck that accepted his letter of challenge and got wrecked for it.
Meccanical
Member
I miss FF's having a ridiculous amount of spells and abilities to exploit.
tiggerkiddo
Member
I was amazed how broken Blue Magic was in that game, you nearly had a way to beat every boss fight with it.
I'll never forget how pissed I was that I ever believed that you could learn Tetra Flare.
Link1110
Member
I got FFX remaster on PS3 and I'm considering getting it on Vita with cross save. How does that work? Is it by bluetooth or online? Do I need PS+?
I have the money in my account for PS+, but I'm waiting until I'm ready to start one of the free games so I don't waste time on it.
I have the money in my account for PS+, but I'm waiting until I'm ready to start one of the free games so I don't waste time on it.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
tiggerkiddo
Member
Wait, when does Gilgamesh show up in XIV??
Professor Beef
Banned
Is it out already!?
Do the Hildibrand quests!
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
It's entirely based on weekly activity. They base it on if the same performance is achieved by the next week then that's how much longer it will take. For the main scenario file which contains a majority of the text. There is still some secondary text to go through and of course testing ingame to see if everything looks right.
On the subject of XIV, I may consider buyig one of the soundtracks if CotBB is on one of them. Otherwise I'll just save a few videos. I can't bring myself to buy an MMO just to experience maybe at most a half hour of GILGAMESH.
Xenoblog: I beat Xenosaga 2. Wasn't too bad once you go all SMT mode and just know weaknesses and use debuffs. On disc 2 of Xenosaga 3 now. It's very fun and easily the best out of all 3.
So come on, give us your very best ballpark. We won't hold you to it, but c'mooon. February? March? July?
Link1110
Member
In japan it is
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I'm hoping Summer 2014. I can't give you promises that I can't guarantee will be met. If we are lucky it could be sooner then that. I like being honest. Unlike Square, who keeps saying to get excited for something.