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FINAL FANTASY Community Thread: XV Mainline Entries and Counting
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For the entire company. It's the only way left.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
They aren't playing GILGAMESH'S Clash on the Big Bridge so the entire concert is garbage.
That reminds me that there's still no CD of the Final Symphony concert. Seems there are still planned concerts for this.
I found Final Symphony to be a little bland to listen to. I can definitely appreciate the art that went into the arrangements, but in some ways I feel it veers a little too far from what made the originals (and game music in general) a lasting experience.
Where acts like Video Games Live are 80% a celebration of game music and 20% a classical concert and Distant Worlds/Zelda Symphony/etc are maybe 50-50, it feels like Final Symphony goes 20-80. There's definitely merit to the production as it does something that is fresh, but I guess it's simply not for everyone.
Where acts like Video Games Live are 80% a celebration of game music and 20% a classical concert and Distant Worlds/Zelda Symphony/etc are maybe 50-50, it feels like Final Symphony goes 20-80. There's definitely merit to the production as it does something that is fresh, but I guess it's simply not for everyone.
Square will still exist. It'll just be staffed by automatons you can actually trust for a change.
tiggerkiddo
Member
Give me back Squaresoft.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
They are called Alpha Dream and MonolithSoft now. Also Mistwalker. And the few loyalists that are trapped within Square Enix.
Essentially SquareSoft has effectively been dispersed.
We really need a CD release for Final Symphony! I was blown away by the performance at Wuppertal and would love to listen to it again in good quality.
Is Mistwalker any good anymore? Feels like it's been forever since they came out with an RPG of their own, when I guess Last Odyssey was this last gen.
Meccanical
Member
Pretty sure they have been reduced to iOS games now.
Psychopath
Banned
I think, it should be on PS Vita aswell.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Pfft. Hell no. On their own they are stuck with Mobile games. They lack the development power of larger entities.
Professor Beef
Banned
I don't really think you need to spoiler tag that, lol
It might have been. They could have gone a little farther with it but I thought they did a pretty good job.
qualitydisc
Member
I just started playing FFX HD and had the urge to re-watch the Japanese TV commercial for it.
For those who havent seen it, the advertising slogan they used for it was "The most heartbreaking Final Fantasy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwQiuh_RUUw
Goddamn it, it makes me cry instantly every. single. time.
I think these 90 seconds are one of my most favorite FF-related things in recent years actually.
For those who havent seen it, the advertising slogan they used for it was "The most heartbreaking Final Fantasy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwQiuh_RUUw
Goddamn it, it makes me cry instantly every. single. time.
I think these 90 seconds are one of my most favorite FF-related things in recent years actually.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I'd wager Type 0 has more.
But the most powerful scene in FF for me has always been Galuf.
Meccanical
Member
I love that scene.
Crisis Core glorified his death way too much and completely missed the point.
As far deaths go, its a really elegantly executed scene.
I hope we some of that style in FFXV. Understated and brutal.
CC totally missed the point ,but then again CC as a whole is no where near FF7's sophistication.
well that's interesting.
If Type-0 has similar portrayals that would be very good.
They did that scene really well; it's one of my favourites in the entire series!
I disagree about it being the most brutal and realistic scene in the main series, though. :X Final Fantasy IX...
Makoto Yuki
Banned
I have vague ideas of what's happening in each vignette, but To Zanarkand really helps get the point across.
That scene was cringeworthy and pretentious.
I'm playing FFX for the first time
(just got Bahamut)
It's the most interesting Final Fantasy on paper but totally whimpers on the execution.
Surely you mean the Crisis Core's version?
lol sorry but Zidane's scenes are quite lighthearted in comparison.I mean these are uplifting scenes.
I meant to discuss really dark scenes in the series.
The scene that hit me hard the most in FFIX was
Brahne's
A great ending for the disc.
Yes! My bad, I thought that's what you meant. I should read more carefully.
The FFVII one in hindsight is pretty good. It's weird that I appreciate it more because of how I disliked Crisis Core's version of it.
Yeah absolutely.
FF7's scene is dark,bleak and gruesome...CC well as you said cringeworthy and pretentious by comparison.
That 7-minute long FF Versus XIII trailer from 2008 has a lot of people from back in the day.
People probably left the company since then, though.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
It was a highly glorified slaughter fest. Though it did show Zack putting up a fight instead of dying with a whimper. It always puzzled me in Final Fantasy VII, why it only took two dudes to take him down. I mean he is a SOLDIER 1st Class, two dudes ain't no problem. At least CC showed that it took more than just that, even if it was incredibly overdone. The man went down fighting.
It was 2001, the first FF game to use voice acting. The dialogue and story telling for the time was fantastic. Games now have "more natural dialogue," but there needed to be games before which experimented with it. FFX was one of those games that took those first few baby steps that helped build towards the more cinematic experiences we have now. 10+ years later, it isn't gonna have the same effect as games that are being written now. As far as execution, I feel like the team did exactly what they set out to do.
I wouldn't call it the most interesting Final Fantasy on paper. Most straight forward maybe, because of its emphasis on story telling through cut scenes and cinematic. I found the Sphere Grid to be the most interesting aspect since you can manipulate it so much if you invest the time.
/shrug
I thought the Crisis Core ending was amazing. It showed Zack's death through gameplay and it was very effective. I was very invested, not that I cared too much about the whole hero schtick but I thought it was easily one of the highlights of that game.
I fail to see any kind of pretension in it.
I thought the Crisis Core ending was amazing. It showed Zack's death through gameplay and it was very effective. I was very invested, not that I cared too much about the whole hero schtick but I thought it was easily one of the highlights of that game.
I fail to see any kind of pretension in it.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
Yes! I loved the fact that you had to play through it. I didn't find it pretentious either.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Even the best soldiers can be taken down easily if caught unaware. Zack was so preoccupied with taking care of Cloud he was easily overwhelmed. If you rewatch it, the reason Zack was taken down was because he went back to Cloud and was attending to him, not realizing that even more soldiers were moving in on him. In the Crisis Core version, he leaves Cloud somewhere down a steep hill and he's so hilariously super human that he takes down an entire battalion and the only reason he lost was out of sheer exhaustion.
FF VII Zack and Crisis Core Zack (from what I've seen, I haven't seen the whole game), in terms of power and ability, are on the same level of difference of FF VII Cloud and Advent Children Cloud. In FF VII they had more stamina, moved faster than a normal human, had more strength, were able to use Materia more easily, were more durable, and so on but were very much constrained by the fact that they were still human. You definitely wanted them on your side, but there are several points where they have to flee the oncoming enemies. In Advent Children/Crisis Core they went full on Superman with gravity defying abilities (jumping hundreds of feet), reaction time so good they can dodge bullets, have fifty times the strength, twenty times the speed, etc. They were to the point where you could honestly believe they would be able to take on an entire army single handed. Most of the issues in VII could have been solved/avoided if Cloud and Zack had that level of power.
Each ending was made with two completely separate ability sets in mind.
Meccanical
Member
I am sudden;y reminded of a scene in Dirge of Cerberus where Cloud blows up a mako reactor just by throwing a Blade Beam at it.
I mean come the fuck on.
I mean come the fuck on.
Well, it was obviously post AC
Professor Beef
Banned
Maybe it was made of explodium. You can't say for sure.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
I've always interpreted Crisis Core's ending as the reason why he got killed by those two dudes. He fights off thousands of fodder MPs and dies to those last two because he had nothing left to go on with. In a way, I've viewed CC's ending as what actually happened. While, FF7's version are just Cloud's last memories of Zack as the last two dudes shoot him while he is down.
Essentially, Zack's death in CC are the actual events that transpired while Zack's death in FF7 is all that Cloud remembers from the last stand.
I dunno if they had different ability sets in mind. To me CC and AC are the full realization of what the most Elite of SOLDIERs can do just presented in the most action packed way possible. You could not really "show" how elite SOLDIERs were in the original FF7 because of limited graphical power. Instead, the only measurement for the strength of a SOLDIER was how fabled and legendary Sephiroth was spoken of. To me at least, Zack and Sephiroth were in a league of their own. They were the only 1st Class SOLDIERs who would basically wear and use whatever equipment they wanted. While other 1st Class SOLDERs you fight later in FF7 were all carbon copies and easily beaten.
But, honestly we don't know much about FFVII Zack's ability since he was more of a plot device than anything. I'm just inclined to believe he was just as much of a badass SOLDIER as Sephiroth if he is going on missions with him.
Cloud had gravity defying jumping abilities in FF7. Jumping around the Northern Cave, Snow Boarding. The man is a natural jumper. He might as well be a Dragoon. By the end of FF7 I'm not surprised he could do such crazy jumps in Advent Children.
Again just my interpretation.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
That urge for a FF7 remake just diminishes doesn't it?
Obviously it was becuz clud iz de srogist ff hiiro1!1!!
Ganon Dragmire
Member
http://youtu.be/uLfmgEwwoEE?t=7m24s
each member of the main cast took out a reactor right?
Kinda brings down the weight of the their first attempts. hahaha
We talking about dark?
Tales gets a lot of flak for overplaying tropes to the extent I bet even Bamco are good-naturedly aware of it, but (Tales of Xillia spoilers) when
Tales gets a lot of flak for overplaying tropes to the extent I bet even Bamco are good-naturedly aware of it, but (Tales of Xillia spoilers) when
Milla dies, Jude goes into severe depression until Alvin shows up and ends up shooting Leia in the back because Jude couldn't care enough to fight back. Turned off PS3 right as Leia got shot, felt like shit the entire week till I manned up and played on past that.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
If that was the case in Dirge I should be transforming into Frankenstein,Chainsaw dude and Chaos at will.
Not the case. I am stuck with Galian Beast.
Yeah, I actually never played Dirge of Cerberus, was speaking mostly for Advent Children. Either way, it's lame that they don't let you do that but in that game Vicent didn't lose the ability to transform into those things, did he? I assume they just don't let you do it in gameplay.
Makoto Yuki
Banned
You can only transform into Galian beast. You become
Chaos