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Final Fantasy: Record Keeper |OT2| I HAVE NO MYTHRIL AND I MUST SHOUT

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Did anybody ever compile a list of which Fat Chocobo accessories were exclusive (aka: what should I look at if I've done every Ultimate so far)?
 

WarAdept

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Yeah, I'm in a weird spot where I can comfortably clear most content outside of the occasional U+ and most U++'s, but I can't quite get the gear push I need to do everything, at least not without a fuckload of S/L's and/or Phoenix mythrils, neither of which I'm that inclined to do. It's kind of funny because I started in October and within 2 months I had a native wall and Medica which puts me in a better spot than a lot of players, but I've had largely spotty luck since then. Like 8 of my top 10 relics being in the same two realms and mostly armor pieces doesn't help either; where I'm really hurting is in native offensive relics which is why I went in on this banner. I have a lot of the cast at 80 at this point but it largely isn't doing me any good lol. So to an extent I'm upset out of principle. Worse case I'll just largely coast by with logins, Sundailies, and new events up to U, but that's probably it. Orbfest not dropping in the immediate future will also help me feel less burned, last orbfest I spent like 110 mythril on refreshes which got me a ton of orbs and levels which is more guaranteed than pulls, so missing out on that would bum me out.

I don't know that I expect Exvius to be any better in gacha regards, but I'll at least check it out. I might check out Granblue again, I gave it a go briefly and I know it's highly regarded but it seemed like it was maybe a bit too involved/much for what I'm looking for. I don't mind grinding at all so that's not a deterrent really.

Just giving you the heads up. I've been playing Brave Exvius since soft release and the gatcha there is nasty. If you want to be playing as recognisable FF characters and/or actually have a shot at the hardest content, be prepared to pull a lot. Also the grind in Exvius yields very little gain until after a very long time, and that's only if you pull on characters that actually give you something from grinding their "Trust Rewards".

That being said, it's an original story with new characters and all the story content can be cleared using F2P units. The coliseum however, demands a party of the higher tier units in the game as you progress.

At least here in RK, grinding for Orbs yields substantial gains through the use of 5* abilities which can serve as an alternative at having shitty luck with pulling for gear (like you and me).
 
To an extent, but the DEF/RES ignoring attacks are often calculated with either very low damage coefficients or a lowered version of the enemy's attack value (because they would just kill you otherwise), so even they aren't always that useful.

E.g., Ultimate Jecht Shot ignores DEF and has a relatively high damage coefficient (3.75x), but uses BFA's ATK^0.5 as its attack value, making further ATK debuffs less effective. Alternatively, Triumphant Grasp also ignores DEF but simply uses an extremely low damage coefficient (0.01x) instead of lowering BFA's ATK, which would make ATK debuffs very effective.
There is also the matter of the debuffs having caps like buffs do and also weirdly enough you know how the player has a softcap on attack...so does the enemy and apparently their cap is still the launch day one (at least at one point of time it was lower than the players one).

What is funny about Braska's Final Aeon is the normal overdrive form it enters to use Triumphant Grasp has about 440 attack less than its normal form does but that wasn't weak enough so they had to make the attack weak too.

Is this the dream? I'm pretty sure this is the dream.

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Nice.

This is what the Cecil Nightmare dungeon looks like:
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I still love the fact that I completely derped by bringing Pecil w/ an SSB spam build to Yunalesca U, and yet was still able to Full Medal Mastery the battle. Pecil's started w/ Shellga and then spent the whole battle spamming useless Lifesiphons. Celes's SSB provided that ace mitigation, while Locke's dished out the DPS.
 
BFA mastered with Tidus, Yuna, Auron, Braska, and Wakka. The only useful SB was HotF. RW: Shout. Layering Protect/Shellga along with breakdowns seemed to work well, and Braska clutched every now and then with a double-casted Curaga from the Devout RM and tossed in a shared Medica.
 

WarAdept

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Cid Mission practice. 2 things I learnt today.

1. Reread the target requirements. Then reread them again.
2. Gau can't wear hats.

I didn't want to bring Relm because she was already maxed out. Besides, Mog is too adorable to bring (and let me do a slightly unorthodox Multi Break/double Breakdown party).

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greyshark

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Odin down - as easy as Kefka. Ignored the physical counter and brought powerchain/full charge on Lightning for massive damage (20k per full charge). Took him out with 30 seconds to spare on the doom timer.
 

c-murph

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Mastered Odin without Interrupting anything. Was easier than Kafka.

SG + Protect + Full Break + Pulse of Life + Cleansing Strike + Shout + Crushing Blow + Cleansing Strike + Crushing Blow + Cleansing Strike + etc...
 

MrDaravon

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Just giving you the heads up. I've been playing Brave Exvius since soft release and the gatcha there is nasty. If you want to be playing as recognisable FF characters and/or actually have a shot at the hardest content, be prepared to pull a lot. Also the grind in Exvius yields very little gain until after a very long time, and that's only if you pull on characters that actually give you something from grinding their "Trust Rewards".

That being said, it's an original story with new characters and all the story content can be cleared using F2P units. The coliseum however, demands a party of the higher tier units in the game as you progress.

At least here in RK, grinding for Orbs yields substantial gains through the use of 5* abilities which can serve as an alternative at having shitty luck with pulling for gear (like you and me).

Good to know, I'll keep that in mind.

Your last point I 100% agree, which is why I will be annoyed if we get an orbfest now in the immediate future; if it had coincided now with these banners I would have done one 3000 gem pull instead and would be burning all my mythril on refreshes. If orbfest is a bit off it will lessen the blow for me quite a bit. I wanna get everyone to 80 :p
 
Is it faster than casting an SSB on it's own? I did a bunch of Lifesipons and then PC -> SSB in the BFA battle, however I wasn't sure if I was speeding up my SSB spam or not.
 

Falk

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It's not faster, but the same consideration as cutting out Full Charge castbar applies - it's a longer-than-normal charge hence you get more out of it.

Incidentally Full Charge is likely to do more damage than your SSB anyway assuming pure DPS SSB. :U
 

MrDaravon

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Well this is topical, but I came to post that I just tried Full Charge + Chainstarter and yeah, it's fucking ridiculous lol. Tried it out with Lightning as IIRC she's my best option for it userwise since I have her Peacemaker and she's at 80 Already. Finally a compelling reason as to run Shout RW as well, with Shout she was doing nearly 9999 lol.

Almost wondering if this makes it worth it to slot Basch in my party since I have his Platinum Shield instead of using Shout RW, too bad Basch's skill set isn't great IIRC :/.

Is it worth it right now to take Full Charge and Chainstarter past r2? I could get them both to r3 BUT I would probably need to convert everything I have right now plus probably buy some with greens. Is this the new meta or?
 
I took Zack onto the new ultimate for use of his interrupt action air strike soul break. Slapped the combo on him of chain starter power charge as well. Like everyone is saying, it's so awesome

I had enough orbs to take one to r2 and one to r3. R3 is definitely where I would say to take em.
 
Almost wondering if this makes it worth it to slot Basch in my party since I have his Platinum Shield instead of using Shout RW, too bad Basch's skill set isn't great IIRC :/.
Basch has plenty of great skills with Knight 5, Combat 5 and Samurai 4. I have his shield too and typically run him with Saint Cross for DPS with the second slot being whatever utility I need for that battle. Banishing Strike? AoE Fire / Blind from Samurai? Extra Combat DPS? A Break? Lifesipon? He was a fantastic part of my previous A-Team.

The only reason I don't run him as much now is because I drew Wall and shifted my team to Tyro + Healer + 3x SSB (Cecil, Locke, Celes, Tidus, Agrias, Lightning).
 

Kenai

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Caved and did one more 11 pull. Got Celes sword, Relm brush, Lightning gun and Mog Scarf. With Cecil Sword and Kefka cloak last time, got everything I wanted between those pulls.

Won't have enough for anymore 11 pulls on the Fest banners (going all in with the rest of my Mythril for Thyrus + change) but am incredibly happy with my luck
 

WarAdept

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Well this is topical, but I came to post that I just tried Full Charge + Chainstarter and yeah, it's fucking ridiculous lol. Tried it out with Lightning as IIRC she's my best option for it userwise since I have her Peacemaker and she's at 80 Already. Finally a compelling reason as to run Shout RW as well, with Shout she was doing nearly 9999 lol.

Almost wondering if this makes it worth it to slot Basch in my party since I have his Platinum Shield instead of using Shout RW, too bad Basch's skill set isn't great IIRC :/.


Is it worth it right now to take Full Charge and Chainstarter past r2? I could get them both to r3 BUT I would probably need to convert everything I have right now plus probably buy some with greens. Is this the new meta or?

FC + PC is an exceptional combo that provides serious DPS greater than Lifesiphon + SSB and even outdpses Thiefs Revenge (for the time being, I'm yet to research the numbers post buff Thief's Revenge). The obvious downside is that only 5 characters can use it.

R3 is the sweet spot for both to never run empty. If left with the choice of R3 one and R2 the other, consider your SSB options with those that can equip Powerchain. If you have poor SSB options on Celerity characters, then R3 Full Charge first.
 

MrDaravon

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Basch has plenty of great skills with Knight 5, Combat 5 and Samurai 4. I have his shield too and typically run him with Saint Cross for DPS with the second slot being whatever utility I need for that battle. Banishing Strike? AoE Fire / Blind from Samurai? Extra Combat DPS? A Break? Lifesipon? He was a fantastic part of my previous A-Team.

The only reason I don't run him as much now is because I drew Wall and shifted my team to Tyro + Healer + 3x SSB (Cecil, Locke, Celes, Tidus, Agrias, Lightning).

Hmm, I'll have to go back and give him a look. I haven't honed or touched Saint Cross really since I don't really have any Holy items or any character setups that most people use with it. It varies a bit depending on realm/requirements, but typically I run Tyro (SG) and Yuna (Hymn). Then I usually have Terra as my BM and Cloud as DPS since I have their SSB's, and my last slot I usually throw in either Red XIII, Locke, Lightning, or Hope since those are my other SSB's.

It's a shame Platinum Shield doesn't have Haste, would make it an easy call to swap him in, but if I did that instead of using Shout as my RW I'm not sure what would be a good RW option? I haven't fucked much with my "main" team in a while, maybe unless I need a BM specifically I should just drop Terra and run something like Cloud, Lightning, Basch, Locke & Yuna and just RW a wall? Or maybe drop either Cloud, Lightning or Locke, keep Tyro for my wall and RW either a Hastega (Boon maybe?) or some sort of hard DPS RW I can have Tyro use when he isn't casting Wall or Full Break etc?

Ironically the one relic I pulled this banner is a Hastega, but Kefka is stuck at 65 arm, and the additional MAG boost on it is kinda useless in this scenario.
 
Just a reminder, Platinum Shield has +20% damage w/ Holy element as a relic bonus. I use it often on either Basch (BS / SC) or Pecil (BS / SC / SSB).
 

MrDaravon

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Just a reminder, Platinum Shield has +20% damage w/ Holy element as a relic bonus. I use it often on either Basch (BS / SC) or Pecil (BS / SC / SSB).

Oh does it? Don't know wtf I was thinking lol. Also forgot my other reason for trying to slot Lightning in is I have the Kaiser Shield, so that + Peacemaker is pretty ace.
 

Anustart

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Yay. Another ultimate, another boss that says fuck you, pay me.

Didn't win the relic lottery so this content is impossible as always.

Attacks do 900 damage, if i go full blast can get 1/3rd his hp gone by the time time is up.
 
Compared to Kefka Odin fell without much problem and I was surprised, frankly. Even more so since only one in my party was 80, 2 of the folks were 65.

If you have a leveled drawtaliator (Auron in my case) he can literally become trivial. Flourish of Steel (I believe is the skill where he hits 4 random people) focuses on Draw Fire and it gives you 4 counterattacks. He used magic maybe twice in the whole fight and focused everything on physicals. I didn't even have Protect up for a good portion of the fight as I picked up Vanille and Oerba's Boon for that purpose. Lightning (Lifesiphoon/Drain Strike/SSB) + Fang (Leeching Leap/Tempo Flurry/Rocket thingies SB) did the health reducing stuff. One thing I found interesting is that the air time when Fang used Leaching Leap actually suspended Doom counter for a tiny bit. Finished the fight with all the party on 07 with her on 11.

As I don't have any action interrupting skills or SBs I couldn't master the fight but I don't really care, honestly. The fact I can finally take on high level fights like this is increasing my enjoyment of the game a lot on its own.
 

WarAdept

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Looks like my mithril is going towards the next XIII banner. Holy shit this is bad.

Ignore that I brought both Armour Break and Armour Breakdown. It was supposed to be Sky Grinder/Drain Leap I swear!

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Tried draw taliate, did about 25% of his life when doom hit 0. Is there an ssb im missing that ups damage by 800%?

Give us a screenshot of your team. Maybe we can help with what you've got so far.
 

Anustart

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Leveled characters:

Beatrix, cloud, fang, tyro, vanille, luneth, auron, vivi.

Abilities: not much. No 5 star abilities except ones given recently during events.

Soul breaks of value: aurons riot blade, rose of may, fang pulse thingy, vanille medica, advance from tyro.

For ultimates i have to have a rw with wall, or i get one shotted by fucking everything. Since i need wall rw, i have nothing to boost attack and every ultimate has 99999999999 defense and i hit for about 1000 hp with anything i throw at them. If i had shout, id be doing a whopping 1500.
 

Kain

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Tried draw taliate, did about 25% of his life when doom hit 0. Is there an ssb im missing that ups damage by 800%?

You should post your team, but just in case, for the harder content you definetely need:

- Full Break or an army of chars with breakdowns or any FB SB (like Faris)

- Some form of Boost, be it Shout or any of the 30% boostgas lying around

- Hastega, the most important buff of the game

You can get one or two of them from RWs, but it's not a very reliable way to do it. Still, those three things are mandatory nowadays. Wall I don't think is that important. Yes it helps a lot with mitigation, but a strong team that can keep the boss broken and can heal itself is more important IMO
 

Anustart

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You should post your team, but just in case, for the harder content you definetely need:

- Full Break or an army of chars with breakdowns or any FB SB (like Faris)

- Some form of Boost, be it Shout or any of the 30% boostgas lying around

- Hastega, the most important buff of the game

You can get one or two of them from RWs, but it's not a very reliable way to do it. Still, those three things are mandatory nowadays. Wall I don't think is that important. Yes it helps a lot with mitigation, but a strong team that can keep the boss broken and can heal itself is more important IMO

Well then im out for ultimates til 2018 when i have a shot at getting any of those :/
 

WarAdept

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Leveled characters:

Beatrix, cloud, fang, tyro, vanille, luneth, auron, vivi.

Abilities: not much. No 5 star abilities except ones given recently during events.

Soul breaks of value: aurons riot blade, rose of may, fang pulse thingy, vanille medica, advance from tyro.

For ultimates i have to have a rw with wall, or i get one shotted by fucking everything. Since i need wall rw, i have nothing to boost attack and every ultimate has 99999999999 defense and i hit for about 1000 hp with anything i throw at them. If i had shout, id be doing a whopping 1500.

You've got a good stable of Soul Breaks to use, with Banishing Blade and Oerba's Boon/Miracle Prayer (not sure which one you have) as the standouts. Rose of May is the dark horse here, especially for Rift Odin (which is what you're having trouble with).

RW Shout. Unless you've got some low level armour, stacking breakdowns (Power and Magic, along with Riot Blade/Rose of May/Protectga from your Vanille) will be more than enough.

Now it comes to a question of your hones and native 5* gear. As long as you have something for each of the characters to use as a natural 5* weapons/3*++ synergy weapons, you'll be able to pump out the damage with Shout.

Invest in a Support (which from your characters, it's going to be Tyro). Alongside a White Mage, they're invaluable for harder content. Work on R3 Power and Magic Breakdown for the moment, and when you get a chance, the first 5* ability should be R2 Full Break. Don't worry if they're doing lower damage than the rest of everyone, they're doing their job by letting you survive.
 

Kain

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Well then im out for ultimates til 2018 when i have a shot at getting any of those :/

As Waradept said, work on getting the Breakdowns and then make Full Break your absolute priority. Always have Protectga/Shellga at hand and then use Shout as RW until you get a Boostga of your own, then go to Divine Guardian or a lvl 80 Quistis with Mighty Guard (not as good, but it will liberate one ability slot).

But seriously, if you don't have any FB SB, get FB ASAP. It's the most important skill in the game, at least for me. That was the one that made all the difference and the one which let me complete the Us. I'm not doing all of them (lol Rufus) of course, but I feel very confident since I'm using it.
 

MrDaravon

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Full Break was a total game changer for me when I was finally able to get it, was definitely the biggest factor in stepping up what content I could clear.
 

greyshark

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Well then im out for ultimates til 2018 when i have a shot at getting any of those :/

Support is crucial for this battle - Magic/Power Breakdown + Protectga/Shellga makes his damage manageable if you avoid his counter attacks.

A No Wall+RW Shout is possible - may endure some SL since he will hit pretty hard.

The safer bet is RW Wall + Defensive mitigation (mental and armor breakdowns). This setup is not likely doable without a Hastega though.
 

WarAdept

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I'm so happy that I managed to get away doing this Neo Bahamut Nightmare with as little hones possible. Only had to R4 the 3* Summons and that's it. Thank God for Ninja Tyro.

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zoukka

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I know it's not a thread for this, but I son't make one for one question: are the mobile versions of FF games good ports? I'm in EU and for example the PSN versions are the infamous 50hz versions.
 

Falk

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I know it's not a thread for this, but I son't make one for one question: are the mobile versions of FF games good ports? I'm in EU and for example the PSN versions are the infamous 50hz versions.

You'd probably have a better shot at replies on the FF community OT, but aside from the graphics, general consensus for 5 and 6 are that they're pretty good.
 
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