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[Kalopsia]

Saw the news, came to check if GAF was on suicide watch.

I'm okay with this. Episodic games haven't failed me yet.

 

[entremet]

Wait, what? Confirmed what, that Don Corneo section won't be in this pos service-based "game"?

That it will be in the game.

 

[Lingitiz]

So if you're not playing on PS4 you're going to suffer multiple waits now.

 

[DedValve]

3 possible scenarios I can see:

1) Episodic in nature for faster dev time or to attempt a more serialized style of game while retaining the story or to get more money in the long run because its fucking FF7 and people will buy

2) They change the story to make it a duology/trilogy so they can get more money in the long run because its fucking ff7 and people will buy

3) They keep the same story but add new content as prequels/sequels so they can get more money in the long run because its fucking ff7 and people will buy

Interesting to see what they'll do and how they'll pull it off. I see episodic titles getting bigger and bigger and its not like Square isn't already experimenting this with the new HItman.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

The meltdown over this is unbelievable, lol. This is what they decided to do to make the game as good as it can be. People will get to play part of it sooner this way.

I wish I had your optimism to believe this. And this is what scares a lot of people:

FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE will be told across a multi-part series, with each entry providing its own unique experience.

Not to be a cynic, but I feel like triple-releasing Final Fantasy Type 0 and soon to be Final Fantasy X is Square's way of sucking more money out of fans to feed what must surely be the bloated budget of Final Fantasy XV.

 

[A-V-B]

I can't believe they woudl ruin this. So many games for them to ruin, and they choose this one?

Wow, just wow.

At least NieR Automata should be awesome.

This will sound weird, but I sort of predicted this long ago when they said something on the order of "we don't want to remake FFVII, we don't want to be dependent on remaking an old game, we want to move forward"

so I ran the intangibles in my head and the conclusion I came up with was "by the time they do need to remake FFVII to save their own skins, they'll be so fucked up they'll never pull it off"

Well... time will still tell, but it's not looking pretty.

 

[KyanMehwulfe]

"some huge downsides" "some great advantages" LMAO

lol i know right

 

[-Horizon-]

A WSJ reporter just tweeted this (read from bottom to top)

*sigh*

I mean yeah, you get 'new stuff' but I'm not a fan of continually paying to finally see the whole story.

 

[Orayn]

So confused right now. Wouldn't this make it download only? How does this affect the RPG elements of the game? Would they carry across?

It sounds more like Starcraft 2 where it's going to be multiple large-ish sized digital/physical releases.

 

[Gunslinger]

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/cyberpunk-2077-even-more-ambitious-than-originally/1100-6432843/

Square take note please.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I wish square would just come out in front of this and explain but no, we'll get stupid speculation until the next event (jump festa?).

 

[Horohoro]

I'm assuming it'll be like the ps1 entry multiple disc in a single case.

 

[HeelPower]

This thread needs some Jurrassic world level of bullshittery to calm down

Steadddyyy now Yoshichan

 

[bananafactory]

That's a disgusting idea. What is wrong with you?

Well I mean if the alternative is only playing as Cloud then swapping control per episode is an improvement. I've already accepted we probably won't have the same party system as the original

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Is there a way I can positively spin this? Im just not ready to be pissed about the game I've always dreamed would come out.

 

[DangerMouse]

Xenoblade X has one town. Its a big town, but its one town. The world is big, but it isnt as complex as having many cities and events. Not to mention the kind of detail they want to have with each model, each map, and so on.

If we all stop to think, or replay ff7, the game has an insanely large amount of scenarios. Many games today have less events and a lot more gameplay padding. You could literally cut the game into a third, add more scope to each area and more ability to explore, and you would have a fully fledged game. Each disc has a ton of content. I am not worried. Not only that, but i feel that they are going to add scenes from all the games and movie and put it all into this one game. We are talking a massive, massive game here.

So much this.

 

[Arcana Wiz]

Okay now that i'm past the shock i'll ty to make a post that will try to constructive vut j'll get buried anyway...

The biggest problema for me is the GAMEPLAY, how it'll work? I will buy Episode 1 and only will be able to go to level 20-30? Wont have all the basic matéria? I will have to wait a year for cast a firaga, to summon? 2 years to be able to catch the gold chocobo (if is not DLC), 2 years to cast OMNISLASH, to have my full party?

So, my point is, part one will be really underwelming for the old fans, basically being really restricted in the magic departament, and limit breaks, and summons, and like half the cast, and cool and iconic bosses.

And a food for Thought, i think its possible for each entry being slight different regarding the gameplay, after all, early episodes will have less cinematic things going on, and the later parts will have more off the awesome moves FF is know for.

 

[Sublime]

I'm really hoping this is just shoddy wording/translation. If its something along the lines of "They plan on releasing the FF7 remake (Original game) and then later release remakes for the expanded lore (crisis core, advent children)" then I'm completely fine with it. If it actually is an episodic release then I really don't understand what the hell Square is thinking.

For now I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and pray there wont be any more disappointments from square waiting for me in the near future.

 

[muteki]

Isn't this just because the game is so big it won't fit on a standard PS4 disc? I wouldn't be surprised to see all the parts released at the same time.

Then this wouldn't be news.

 

[TheFlow]

I would be more optimistic about this if we had release dates for SE other major titles.

 

[Akibared]

Anybody defending this decision is such a corporate suckup. This is really, really cynical.

You know I could understand this if the horror scenarios some are posting came true but we don't know anything yet.

 

[Suzushiiro]

I think this could be the best case scenario:

Part 1 - Bombing mission to exit of Midgar - Q4 2017
Part 2 - Exit of Midgar to Aeris death - Q4 2018
Part 3 - Aeris death to end - Q4 2019

Might be better than waiting until end of 2019 for the whole thing.

That's a ridiculously lopsided split, though- Midgar is barely 10% of the game, remember.

The only way to split it in three and make it remotely even would be for part 1 to end 50-70% of the way through disc one and part 2 to end 30-40% of the way through disc 2.

They can (and probably will) rearrange some bits, flesh out some other parts, and add in entirely new stuff to make the pacing work regardless of how they split it, though.

 

[evilr]

So let me guess the first "episode" is up to the first scorpion boss. Fuck sake knew it was too good to be true.

 

[Zok310]

why is it so hard to just do this shit right?

 

[Officer.Sanchez]

Remake CD1, 2 and 3, then sell each one for $60. Hahahaha

I just don't care anymore.

 

[Guymelef]

Isn't this just because the game is so big it won't fit on a standard PS4 disc? I wouldn't be surprised to see all the parts released at the same time.

Of course we will see a retail version with the complete game after the last chapter.
Is more money for them.

 

[entremet]

I'm assuming it'll be like the ps1 entry multiple disc in a single case.

No. They will be separate releases at first.

They'll probably be a final multi disc release at the series conclusion.

 

[Rainy]

I'll wait for more information before having a full reaction...but this doesn't sound too great.

 

[JeffZero]

Ishida, Yoshichan, and Other Esteemed Friends:

Please calm down, I'm worried for you. We'll make it through this. It remains to be seen just what form this project is taking.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

THANK you. You guys need to realize that this move means the world will be more realized like this, more detailed and less half-hearted. They're not gonna simply chop up a single game's length into several pieces. They're basically fleshing out each piece and filling it up with details to make each piece into an intricate game. Not to mention that sales from each game can contribute to the budget of upcoming sequels. I'm all for this.

People are calling me out for siding on the doom and gloom path, but we have no evidence to support your theory about things being more fleshed out either.

Square needs to get behind this real fast and explain themselves

 

[Jigorath]

Square needs to send out a very lengthy update explaining just what in the fuck is going on with this game.

 

[Road]

Not surprised. Anyone with a brain knew this thing was never going to be released because SE Japan is a mess unable to finish such big project.

At least this way, people who want to do hear garbage voice acting on pretty cutscenes and mash buttons can try to fund the development of the next chapters.

 

[joseph]

Didn't people play through Mass Effect 1 and 2 many times over (assuming they really liked it) despite them being only parts 1 and 2 of a trilogy?

I assume so.

If it was up to me I wouldn't want the entire world to just "stop" at the end of each episode.

There should be plenty of things for players to continue to do within the game world which don't break the players' suspension of disbelief in the narrative while waiting for the next installment.

 

[Ray Down]

Or maybe more like Xenosaga

 

[ChaosZeroX]

It sucks, but seriously most of the people in this thread will still probably Day 1 this.

 

[PK Gaming]

Hell yes

No goddamn way they could cover all of FF7 in a single game

This is a great decision

 

[Boke1879]

But on another note. They need to let Nomura finish KH3 first. I would not be shocked if this decision was made because he's still working on KH and they want this FF7 game released in a timely manner.

 

[Skellig Gra]

Well I mean if the alternative is only playing as Cloud then swapping control per episode is an improvement. I've already accepted we probably won't have the same party system as the original

Lol you are even more cynical than me apparently.

 

[anaron]

The meltdown over this is unbelievable, lol. This is what they decided to do to make the game as good as it can be. People will get to play part of it sooner this way.


Sure... or we realize that it's not cutting corners or money grabbing, but a legitimate decision to make the game as big as it has to be, and that episodic gaming isn't inherently bad.

Jesus Christ, this mindset and acceptance everything wrong with current gaming.

 

[Arkeband]

Isn't this just because the game is so big it won't fit on a standard PS4 disc? I wouldn't be surprised to see all the parts released at the same time.

"Isn't this FF7 game too big for a CD-R?"

Two blu ray discs in the same package. There's seriously no excuse.

Hell yes

No goddamn way they could cover all of FF7 in a single game

This is a great decision

"There's no goddamn way they could cover all of The Witcher 3/Tales of [name]/Dragon Quest 8 in one game."

 

[BY2K]

Let's not kid ourselves, FFVII is MASSIVE. They are probably doing this so they even have a chance to get it released.

 

[zoobzone]

It could be Crisis Core, FF7 and then Advent Children?

Not sure.

 

[Famassu]

Each disc had the entire world on it (for the most part), only the CGI scenes were different. You never had to switch discs to transition to a different area.

FF7R being episodic means that the entire structure of the game will need to be butchered.

Well, you should really abandon the word "episodic", nowhere does SQEX say this is episodic. To me, it seems more like this will just be such a huge project that they'll divide the game into a trilogy or something where each part is still a pretty big JRPG, just not the whole story of FFVII in one. Not that each part is some hyper-linear corridor like FFXIII or episodic linear story & battle segment that has no room for actual exploration.

 

[BennyBlanco]

I'm really hoping this is just shoddy wording/translation. If its something along the lines of "They plan on releasing the FF7 remake (Original game) and then later release remakes for the expanded lore (crisis core, advent children)" then I'm completely fine with it. If it actually is an episodic release then I really don't understand what the hell Square is thinking.

For now I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and pray there wont be any more disappointments for to play in the future.

I don't know how anyone who has been paying attention the last 8 or so years could give Square the benefit of the doubt anymore. They're a dumpster fire. Only saving grace has been their handheld output.

 

[Primethius]

Yup. If Nomura is to be believed. This means more is actually preserved. If it was a released on a disc you'd imagine there would be some but content.

We really need more clarification on what they mean by this.

It's actually impressive because the overreactions in this thread are getting crazier by the second.

Like, I understand the issue.

But on one hand people are complaining the all the episodes will be released by 2020 and on the other hand they expected a full release of the game any time before then.

It seems like most people don't quite understand game development.

 

[yukonrye]

Fine with me if it means part 1 comes out earlier.

 

[brandonh83]

Jesus Christ, this mindset and acceptance everything wrong with current gaming.

I'd say it's more like some people waiting to see how its handled before blowing a gasket.

 

[laser]

Really? Don't you think it is bad that a game won't let you progress at your own pace? Like, after finishing a segment you have to wait months to keep playing the story?

You finish a fantastic scene, and you WANT to keep playing! You are pumped up to see what's next.

But FUCK YOU! You are greeted with a black screen with white text that says "To be continued"; followed by another screen prompting you to buy the next episode or the "full season pass".

Don't you feel that's a little... TERRIBLE?

I'd feel terrible, then I'd look at the title of the game I bought and feel like an idiot because I didn't notice it said Final Fantasy 7 Remake Episode 1.

 

[Yoshichan]

Just as I start calming down, I read the thread title of the other thread, or I read someone speculate how the game will be divided and I instantly go into overdrive again.

How the fuck am I even supposed to sleep today? Headbutting a stone brick and passing out seems to be the only way out of this shitfest.

 

[texhnolyze]

But then who says they're doing the same thing here? Look at how the first Xenoblade did things. There were really large areas connected by the linear storyline which you could return to later by fast travel.

I believe they still can. Restrict optional quest in each episode. Most of optional quest in ff7 is time restricted or unlock after certain point anyway, so yes, it could be done. Unless FF7 taking xenosaga approach, with each game offering different gameplay style to tell coherent storyline, which is not bad anyway

Thanks, you guys made me feel a little better. Perhaps my expectation is just too narrowed to how the original game is. Still, not a huge fan of fast travel though.
I guess I'll just wait and see for now.