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FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 |OT| Change the Future

They should have just had different shops in each area where you can buy different things exclusive to certain time periods only.

But that obviously would have taken too much work and detracted the scantily clad bird woman from the game.

Can't have that now.
 

StuBurns

Banned
She doesn't always have the same stuff, I found that annoying actually, I always wanted gysahl greens but she often didn't have them.
 
What does that mean?
There are a lot of scenes that are quite emotional in both games, but especially in FF13-2, though admittedly, several are out of the path of the main story.

I never really understood this whole "soul" business, not sure what its meant to mean.
 

Dark Schala

Eloquent Princess
Mog is better than Tipo! :shotsfired
I also like Chocolina. That's been my nick on IRC for days now. She was annoying at first, but I like the way she reacts to each timeline. She's grown on me a lot too.
Oh, this means war, Aeana. *takes off earrings*

Let's do this.

As for Chocolina, ehhhh, I just X through all of her dialogue because I find her voicework and dialogue somewhat irritating (a few of her dialogue bits sorta break the mood in certain scenarios for me; I don't think you're there yet, so I won't say anything more). More irritating when she doesn't have Gysahl Greens in her inventory when I need them. :/
 

Ravidrath

Member
And what I'm finding is that everything I feel that adds personality to the game, people hate!

All these things would be great in Dragon Quest or any other sequel to a game that didn't take itself too seriously.

But FFXIII took itself very seriously, and XIII-2 doesn't. Logically it would follow that the audience for XIII-2 are people that liked the tone of XIII's story, but they are completely different beasts, so I think this reaction is fairly predictable.

I really think XIII-2 would be a much better game in a lot of ways if it was its own thing and not a sequel to XIII. It's like Toriyama wanted to make a goofy time travel game and Wada forced him to set it in XIII's universe.
 

Bladenic

Member
Wait, hold up, people find the new Crystarium worse? Jesus Christ, there is just no pleasing some people. XIII's system gave you no room to customize characters and everyone cried bloody tears. XIII-2 gives you tons of ways to customize Serah and Noel, hell, even the monsters. Only way it's "worse" is that you can easily abuse it and become very powerful early, which is why most people find the game so easy. And of course, some people still complain.

As for the OST, XIII is almost unarguably better composed and made, but XIII-2 is very amazing in it's own right and I could see why people would prefer one over the other. I find XIII to be slightly better and more memorable, but XIII-2 has some truly amazing tracks as well some ridiculously catchy themes. As a collective (XIII + -2) they are definitely among the best soundtracks in the series.
 

Jucksalbe

Banned
But FFXIII took itself very seriously, and XIII-2 doesn't. Logically it would follow that the audience for XIII-2 are people that liked the tone of XIII's story, but they are completely different beasts, so I think this reaction is fairly predictable.

Like with any other aspect of the game, XIII-2 is a game for people who didn't like XIII. Makes sense to change the tone, too.
And still, it's not as much of a shift as X-2 was.
 
All these things would be great in Dragon Quest or any other sequel to a game that didn't take itself too seriously.

But FFXIII took itself very seriously, and XIII-2 doesn't. Logically it would follow that the audience for XIII-2 are people that liked the tone of XIII's story, but they are completely different beasts, so I think this reaction is fairly predictable.

I really think XIII-2 would be a much better game in a lot of ways if it was its own thing and not a sequel to XIII. It's like Toriyama wanted to make a goofy time travel game and Wada forced him to set it in XIII's universe.

Well actually the original idea for XIII-2 was just to have Serah & Mog and a light hearted (goofy) adventure accross time.

So I believe it was meant to be in the XIII universe all along.

And thank goodness someone intervened...that sounded like a horrible idea and we wouldn't have got Noel!
 

Perfo

Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
BTW, the songs of the final moments are just top level.

Everything is perfect from the moment they start chasing
flying Bahamut
. That last hour... just, WOW!
It really builds up momentum perfectly 'till that super ending. To me, is the most excting final hour in the series. So good.
The game also opens in a similar way. It's sad the first hours after it are just plain boring. Luckily from Episode 4 everything returns to what I expect from the series.
 

Lagunamov

Member
The story of the game is..meh, but the gameplay and the search of the fragments are very addictive. This game with a better story would be my final fantasy next gen, please Square-Enix, do Final Fantasy XV with the liberty and the tons of side quests like this final fantasy XIII-2.
 

Ricker

Member
I'm stuck again so I'm grinding trying to make something happen...can't beat the Ci'eth in Yascha yet,not sure what the red spheres are for,even though I freed one of the guys in there,there is 2 unknown area's that are blocked close to the entrance(the one with the big red door,and the one with a large boulder that I can examine but nothing happens)...guess I will try the Boss in Sunleth again but Serah still says we shouldn't fight it now...maybe I will try the Boss in the Steppes again also...I really hate how hard it is to track the sidequests in this...
 

Ravidrath

Member
While I think XIII-2's Crystarium is better than XIII's, can we at least all agree that the Crystarium itself is just a terrible and dumbed-down version of the Sphere Grid? That is my favorite progression system in any game, and since XIII is by the same team as X, it's hard for me not to be disappointed by any incarnation of it.

Like with any other aspect of the game, XIII-2 is a game for people who didn't like XIII. Makes sense to change the tone, too.
And still, it's not as much of a shift as X-2 was.

I mean... yes, but... that doesn't actually make sense? Why have a sequel if you're going to change it completely?

Also, it kind of assumes that it's impossible to improve upon XIII's story and keep the same tone. Not everything has to be a total 180 to still be good and appeal to new people.

And, yes, it's less of a tonal difference than X to X-2. But in a lot of ways, I feel like it's worse here.

For me, it made sense that Spira gave this great sigh of relief after centuries of terror had abated. For the first time ever, they could let their hair down a little. And even within that, they didn't have inconsistently-designed characters floating through the middle of every single cutscene. The things that people reference, like the concert in the intro, were logical extensions of a modern society - while I'm not going to say the execution was great, they felt like they grew out of the setting.

Pulse, on the other hand, is still very much in a difficult part of its existence, so the light-heartedness doesn't make as much sense to me. On top of that, it's not something that has logically grown out of the setting. They are just things they plopped in there from outside the context of the game by the director - a myserious pandimensional casino, a (hideous attempt at) a cute sidekick, etc.
 
Everything is perfect from the moment they start chasing
flying Bahamut
. That last hour... just, WOW!
It really builds up momentum perfectly 'till that super ending. To me, is the most excting final hour in the series. So good.
The game also opens in a similar way. It's sad the first hours after it are just plain boring. Luckily from Episode 4 everything returns to what I expect from the series.

*must resist hype overload*

Thats exactly where I am!!! The new PS3 better come tomorrow!!!

Oh and I'm so glad I got PS Plus, I could keep my XIII-2 save on the cloud network thingy *phew*
 

Bladenic

Member
I love that consistently picking the funny responses would make your Serah the dumbest person in the world by the end, not to mention Snow-crazy (best response ever).
 
I tried to always pick the responses that kept the story serious, well by that I mean the responses that made Serah seem mature.

But I think I probably missed out on some funny moments.
 

Goli

Member
I must say I like Mog and Chocolina too. In fact I wish Chocolina had more screen time than just a few lines in each time period, and that's not even in all since some get repeated (like in the pre-final dungeon parts). But I still have hope that DLC will explain her origins more, namely
Sahz's DLC, which I'm sure will explain how the former afro chick goes from that to Chocolina. I hope the same applies for Lightning's DLC and Mog which does have significant more screen time and origins exposure but just not quite enought for me.
I don't think her voice is annoying either, it's just quirky and I think it goes well with her.
 

rataven

Member
Chocolina's my girl! Love her. She's hilariously hammy throughout. Her voice fits her character perfectly.

I honestly have no problems with the English voicework, barring just one - Hope :( Mashed potato mouth. His VA fit young Hope fine, but Director Hope? Nope.
 
Chocolina's my girl! Love her. She's hilariously hammy throughout. Her voice fits her character perfectly.

I honestly have no problems with the English voicework, barring just one - Hope :( Mashed potato mouth. His VA fit young Hope fine, but Director Hope? Nope.

You could tell Hope's VA was trying to make his voice sound deeper, too. It didn't bother me, it just seemed off to me. Noel and Caius stand out the most, though... mainly Noel's English being the best in the whole game for me. Some moments were just so perfectly executed that I'm in awe.
 

Aeana

Member
Ready to go into
Academia 500 AF
. I have 138 fragments, and just got a boatload of cool fragment skills. I think I have all of the fragments I can get at this point without spending an inordinate amount of time in the casino or going for the big bosses at Archylte Steppe. I most likely won't be able to play much more until next weekend, but I think I'm in a pretty good position. I think I most likely won't get every fragment, because I have no interest in the casino crap or anything like that.
 

Heropon

Member
I must be an awful person, I <3 Mog, Serah and Chocolina. One thing I like about Mog is when he spins his clock's crystal while it looks like he is scheming something.
 

Toki767

Member
Ready to go into
Academia 500 AF
. I have 138 fragments, and just got a boatload of cool fragment skills. I think I have all of the fragments I can get at this point without spending an inordinate amount of time in the casino or going for the big bosses at Archlyte Steppe. I most likely won't be able to play much more until next weekend, but I think I'm in a pretty good position. I think I most likely won't get every fragment, because I have no interest in the casino crap or anything like that.

I feel like you should just get them all since you're rather close already. Practically everyone I know who did the casino stuff pretty much taped down L1 on the slots and came back in a few hours.
 

rataven

Member
You could tell Hope's VA was trying to make his voice sound deeper, too. It didn't bother me, it just seemed off to me.
It was pretty obvious, and it consequently stilted his performance. Sooo monotonous. It could also feel off because Hope was so...emotional in XIII, and here he's all calm and collected. I like how his character's developed, he turned out pretty accomplished, but the voice just...doesn't fit.

And yeah, Noel and Caius....whole 'nother level.
 

ULTROS!

People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
I kinda like the story more in XIII-2 because I can understand it more than XIII's
but the lack of a conclusion in XIII-2 was terrible.

Main characters and game content are much better than XIII's but the performance, location variety, difficulty, and new content variety (I found that a lot of stuff were recycled from XIII) weren't that great.
 

Dark Schala

Eloquent Princess
It was pretty obvious, and it consequently stilted his performance. Sooo monotonous. It could also feel off because Hope was so...emotional in XIII, and here he's all calm and collected. I like how his character's developed, he turned out pretty accomplished, but the voice just...doesn't fit.

And yeah, Noel and Caius....whole 'nother level.
Yeah, that's kinda thing that bothered me about older Hope. It sounded off, which is a little disappointing given that the VA did such a phenomenal job in FFXIII. Perhaps it's the voice direction? It sounded rather... flat.

You already know that I think Noel's English VA was awesome and delivered the lines well... overall making the character snarkier and likeable.
 

I am REALLY hoping that the fight won't actually be with Jihl but with Barthandelus and that the first 5 seconds of the fight will repeat that infamous scene before XIII Chapter 9 boss battle and then we will have to fight Barthandelus.

It would be a full play once again on advertising Jihl a lot and then flipping that 180...the circle will be complete and wouldn't that be the biggest toriyama'd of them all??

tehehehe!!!
 

Aeana

Member
I feel like you should just get them all since you're rather close already. Practically everyone I know who did the casino stuff pretty much taped down L1 on the slots and came back in a few hours.

I dunno. I feel like the only real point of getting every single one of them would be if I were going to go for the platinum, but tons of retarded things are standing in the way of that, so *shrug*. I'll just do whatever's fun and skip whatever's not.
 

ULTROS!

People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
I was hoping for Sephiroth/Cloud DLC. :(
 

rataven

Member
Next rumored DLC?

Jihl is going to BRING IT!

Yeah, that's kinda thing that bothered me about older Hope. It sounded off, which is a little disappointing given that the VA did such a phenomenal job in FFXIII. Perhaps it's the voice direction? It sounded rather... flat.

You already know that I think Noel's English VA was awesome and delivered the lines well... overall making the character snarkier and likeable.

Yeah, I'd go with the voice direction too. That's probably the most likely reason, since Hope's VA appears to have a decent resume. They probably wanted him to sound more mature and authoritative considering his role in XIII-2, and maybe the VA wasn't all that experienced with that type of role.

Noel <3. I'm too old for silly gaming crushes, but he definitely makes it tough not too, haha.
 

hamchan

Member
I must be an awful person, I <3 Mog, Serah and Chocolina. One thing I like about Mog is when he spins his clock's crystal while it looks like he is scheming something.

Mog annoyed me because he never followed me properly, always getting stuck on stuff. Had to press L1 to call him to me so many times. Also he takes ages to open treasure after I throw him.

Chocolina is fine if I tone out her voice since she's pretty hot.

Serah is great, wtf how could anyone hate her.

I think for every aspect XIII-2 gets right, it fucks something up, probably more on the fuck up side really.

Worse character design
Worse technical performance
Worse difficulty balance

Better OST
Better battle system (the Pokemon thing is great)
Better character evolution system
Better towns
Better level design
Better flexibility in destination
Better side quests
Better antagonist
Better story

Such a bizarre game really, they over shot so much of what was wrong I think.

Fixed for what I think. They did a good job with this game.
 

Dark Schala

Eloquent Princess
I just don't see what's so great about Noel! (._. )
Well, I don't see what's so great about Snow! :/

rataven said:
Yeah, I'd go with the voice direction too. That's probably the most likely reason, since Hope's VA appears to have a decent resume. They probably wanted him to sound more mature and authoritative considering his role in XIII-2, and maybe the VA wasn't all that experienced with that type of role.

Noel <3. I'm too old for silly gaming crushes, but he definitely makes it tough not too, haha.
Well, yeah--the character the VA played on Everybody Hates Chris was supposed to be a smart/nerdy type of teen, so he could've pulled off 'smart Hope' well. He probably just doesn't have enough experience doing the authority thing, and the direction probably didn't facilitate helping him out with that.

As for gaming crushes, no one's ever too old for that! :lol
 

Heropon

Member
Mog annoyed me because he never followed me properly, always getting stuck on stuff. Had to press L1 to call him to me so many times. Also he takes ages to open treasure after I throw him.

Chocolina is fine if I tone out her voice since she's pretty hot.

Serah is great, wtf how could anyone hate her.

I was mainly talking about Mog's personality, but yeah, the things you talk about are true.
 

Kagari

Crystal Bearer
Wow. I am surprised to see Rahxephon finally give in all the peer pressure and try to act cool to the FF13haters crowd (good job I guess). This game has and continues to be a FF13 lover's dream, fleshing out the storyline of 13 and giving us 700 freaking years of history to digest. The main storyline is fine. Far better than Skyrim's generica snorefest. It at least tries to be unique even if the writing is subpar.

Actually, I've found a lot of people who loved 13 seem to dislike this game.
 

rataven

Member
Well, yeah--the character the VA played on Everybody Hates Chris was supposed to be a smart/nerdy type of teen, so he could've pulled off 'smart Hope' well. He probably just doesn't have enough experience doing the authority thing, and the direction probably didn't facilitate helping him out with that.

As for gaming crushes, no one's ever too old for that! :lol

Huh, yeah, he should have nailed older Hope then. It wouldn't be the first time SE's voice direction was to blame. Dissidia was down right painful at times. Oy.

I was hoping for Sephiroth/Cloud DLC. :(

These two need a vacation. As much as I love them, they are in everything. Though there's big $$$ to be had if SE went there, for sure.
 

Aeana

Member
Well, I don't see what's so great about Snow! :/

It's mainly just Troy Baker and the fact that he has a nice build, and actually looks like he could possibly be an adult, which is more than I could say for Noel. I like Jason Marsden well enough, but Noel looks really goofy.
 
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