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FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 |OT| Change the Future
- Thread starter Kagari
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neoism
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I'm buying that, a Kagari you think their is any chance all the DLC will got on stale before May.
I can confirm that all the DLC released up to now will be pretty stale by May, yes.
Here is a video detailing seemingly half of the Ultros/Typhon boss fight.
The players were not even putting a dent in the two of them, but there is a time in the battle where Ultros and Typhon start to argue I think. For a pretty long time too, while doing nothing, while the party can just beat up on them and make them enter into break mode.
Well, even if I'm definitly not going to buy the Ultros fight DLC, I have to admit that Ultros in itself is quite funny to watch.
@Blue Chocobos : Yeah, they are very hard to catch. Good luck with them. I personnaly sticked to my Ravager Behemot : he did an incredible job for me (though he takes just a little too much screen space to my taste).
Btw : Does someone has a link to the list of fragments that I specifically need to get in order to unlock some privileges (in order to change the spawn rate, increase EXP and so on) ? I want to do the game again in the best conditions, and unlock those privileges quickly would be perfect.
@Blue Chocobos : Yeah, they are very hard to catch. Good luck with them. I personnaly sticked to my Ravager Behemot : he did an incredible job for me (though he takes just a little too much screen space to my taste).
Btw : Does someone has a link to the list of fragments that I specifically need to get in order to unlock some privileges (in order to change the spawn rate, increase EXP and so on) ? I want to do the game again in the best conditions, and unlock those privileges quickly would be perfect.
I haven't had too much trouble with Chocobos, outside of Purple, which finally dropped a crystal for me after like 40 minutes of searching.. I got the Blue, Green and Red without too much hassle.
You know that using Feral Link abilities increases the chance of the monster dropping a gem? I just cycled through my Feral Links on all my monsters and got a crystal on my 2nd or 3rd Chocobo spawn.
You know that using Feral Link abilities increases the chance of the monster dropping a gem? I just cycled through my Feral Links on all my monsters and got a crystal on my 2nd or 3rd Chocobo spawn.
R_thanatos
Member
Rofl ...funny Vid no doubt ... typhon does heal himand the player had no change going after ultros first.
turnbuckle
Member
My memory is rusty so I could be off a bit, but I think I have them in order of availability:
You can increase crystal drop rate once you complete all the vile peaks quests. This can't be accomplished until you're in the second version of Academia.
You can increase the enemy spawn rate once you've unlocked Bresha Ruins 100AF. This is relatively late in the game.
The fragment to double CP requires you to get all the fragments in each version of Bresha and Yaschas.
To increase rare monster spawn rates you pretty much have to get to the end of the game. You don't have to beat the game to pull it off, but the requirement is the quest that has you getting 100% on all the maps.
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It really is a shame there's no new game +. Of course you can always go back and do things over again by closing gates, but I'd like to have a fresh run through with all the fragment skills available. Would reduce the amount of time grinding for rare materials and monster crystals early on and make the experience more streamlined overall.
neoism
Member
Holy shit: Next week at Best Buy (4/1-4/7) FFXIII-2 is going to be $29.99. The current issue of Best Buy's Gamer mag (which you can buy individually for I think $5) has a $15 off coupon for the game that doesn't expire until 4/7, making the game $15.
THIS IS WHY I DON'T BUY NEW GAMES DAY 1 99% OF THE TIME ANYMORE, FUCK YEAH
At $15 (really $20 since I need to buy the mag) I'll bite. My only question is how did the 360 version hold up this time? I got the PS3 version of XIII, but if the 360 version this time around was better than last I'd prefer to pick that version up honestly.
Edit: Nevermind, found the lensoftruth article, think I'll be fine picking up the 360 version this time around.
THIS IS WHY I DON'T BUY NEW GAMES DAY 1 99% OF THE TIME ANYMORE, FUCK YEAH
At $15 (really $20 since I need to buy the mag) I'll bite. My only question is how did the 360 version hold up this time? I got the PS3 version of XIII, but if the 360 version this time around was better than last I'd prefer to pick that version up honestly.
Edit: Nevermind, found the lensoftruth article, think I'll be fine picking up the 360 version this time around.
If you have the choice, go with PS3 for framerate and clean FMV. Since you have FFXIII you'll also get some ingame bonus content for having a previous save file.
turnbuckle
Member
Aren't the loading times better on the 360? There's also an exclusive weapon that may or may not be useful. My roommate has the 360 version, I have the PS3.
DF says about 6 seconds during the Historia Crux travelling, installed. Off DVD the loading is slower. The exclusive weapon is a variant of something you can already get in the game. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-final-fantasy-13-2-face-off
turnbuckle
Member
I don't understand why you can't do an install on the PS3 version. Historia Crux loading was awful. Also, making multiple save files was slower and more cumbersome on the PS3 version than the 360 version...at least according to my roommate. He wondered what the hell was going on when I was making a separate save file and the 3-step process that entails.
Zoe
Member
What's it like making a new save on the 360? Are you sure he was actually making new save files?
There's a process to it because it has to make the base file and then the savestate file.
turnbuckle
Member
I hadn't watched him do one so I can't say for sure. He was just surprised it took so long to create a new save file. He's played through the game a few times and created multiple save files so he wouldn't have to go through the intro segment so I figured he knew what he was talking about. If anyone else has it on the 360 they can confirm or deny what he said (and as a result, what I said
). If nobody knows for sure, next time I'm home I'll ask him to show me him making a new save file so I can see for myself.Hero_of_the_Day
Member
So I was a bit confused by the end of the game. So, heavy spoilers here obviously:
I didn't understand why Lightning was brought to Valhalla. Did Etro bring her and why if so? The whole thing with a creature or whatever getting in to Valhalla due to the change in time made at the end of FFXIII confused me.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
It's apparently all explained in the book that Best Buy customers got.
R_thanatos
Member
From what i understand :
Lightning was summonned to vahala by etro because her "miracle " ( saving them ) changed the timeline somehow. Lightning saw the entire timeline (once i assume ) and agreed to serve/protect etro because the future was doomed.
Etro warrior ( caius ) was tired of watching the seereress die over and over again and had plans to kill etro .... this will bring an bad future and that's why etro choose someone that might help her ( even if from what it seems , her death was innévitable ).
It kinda complicated but the future probably motivated etro to save them ( the party ) at the end of FF13. Caius is a death bomb was would be tired of his fate ..and that may be one of the things that motivated etro to save the party ..
that's how i see it anyway.
Etro warrior ( caius ) was tired of watching the seereress die over and over again and had plans to kill etro .... this will bring an bad future and that's why etro choose someone that might help her ( even if from what it seems , her death was innévitable ).
It kinda complicated but the future probably motivated etro to save them ( the party ) at the end of FF13. Caius is a death bomb was would be tired of his fate ..and that may be one of the things that motivated etro to save the party ..
that's how i see it anyway.
XIII-2 Soundtrack Plus will be released on 5/30/12.
Official website features remix of Neol's theme; http://www.square-enix.co.jp/music/sem/page/fabula/ff13-2/plus/
I think I will cease to purchase DLC until Lightning's episode is released.
Official website features remix of Neol's theme; http://www.square-enix.co.jp/music/sem/page/fabula/ff13-2/plus/
I think I will cease to purchase DLC until Lightning's episode is released.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Well of course. I can think of no better place for a pretty important plot explanation than a store exclusive pre-order bonus. As logical as the real ending being future DLC.
Yeah that's what I gathered as well.
But, wasn't there something about a creature getting into Valhalla whenever Etro changed the timeline to save the group? I swear it said that whenever it showed Lightning's view of the FFXIII ending.
R_thanatos
Member
Etro freeded them from their l'cie status. That changed the timeline... you can argue that maybe the events of caius betraying etro are the cause of that decision but freeing them caused another timeline split/change and at this point caius is already acting to destroy both dimensions..
i don't remember a créature ( i might be wrong ) but if this s true it's caius doing !!
if you haven't understood yet , ciaus has 10 moves in advance on everyone in the timeline ..even my tea going cold ATM is caius fault.
if you haven't understood yet , ciaus has 10 moves in advance on everyone in the timeline ..even my tea going cold ATM is caius fault.
I've been trying really hard the past couple days to five star the Lightning battle, but I'm too slow dropping them. I decided to just progress with the story a bit, buy some new equipment, level up my monsters some, y'know. Instead it
I feel tricked.
just completely split my party up with no way to historia crux out of it. On top of that there's this gross vignetting all over the place, ahhhhhhh.
I feel tricked.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Can you capture them?
They kind of warn you about that though...I've been trying really hard the past couple days to five star the Lightning battle, but I'm too slow dropping them. I decided to just progress with the story a bit, buy some new equipment, level up my monsters some, y'know. Instead itjust completely split my party up with no way to historia crux out of it. On top of that there's this gross vignetting all over the place, ahhhhhhh.
I feel tricked.
Took me about this long too. And I got a Typhon crystal! Woot.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Shit, so you can have Ultros in your party? That's pretty awesome.
Well, at least it's not too long!
There was definitely a creature. Lightening mentions it near the end of the game when she tells Serah what happened, how it came out and then dragged her into Valhalla with it. Now, whether they mean "creature" as in a honest to god sentient entity with a will of its own or if it was just some random manifestation of dark power or whatever that happened to take the form of a creature and dragging Lightening in was not a conscious act of the thing but just a side effect of the concentration of power or whatever, well, I dunno. It's Square. Either way seems it was never mentioned again. Like Alyssa.
R_thanatos
Member
Alyssa was a missed opportunity but it's easy to guess what happenned [don't read if you haven't seen all paradox endings ]
Manipulated by caius ( him again ??!!! ) and forced to accept that she might be a paradox, she give the weird artifact to the party that lead them to caius trap ( chpater 5 ) and 3 days later she tries to kill Hope but fails.. Now the question is what happenned to her afterwards ? In the paradox ending Hope doesn't seem to care that alyssa betrayed her other friends ..so i guess she rot in prison until her death ?
I tried to spoil the game for myself by reading this but I can't make sense of a damn thing. I guess that's good. I'm in episode 4 and right now I'm just nodding my head and accepting this story which is widely incomprehensible.
And I fucking hate Alyssa so if she turns out to be a bad guy that's sweet. She has a nice ass but other than that she can rot in hell. My god she annoys me.
I picked this game up because some of the alts make the character designs less annoying and it was cheap used at gamestop.
A few hours in and digging the battle system, but skipping most of the cutscenes. lol.
When is Lightning scenario coming out? The intro was so awesome...and now I'm using Serah.
A few hours in and digging the battle system, but skipping most of the cutscenes. lol.
When is Lightning scenario coming out? The intro was so awesome...and now I'm using Serah
.Yes, yes, however, that wasn't really the main content of my post.
I do feel Alyssa was a missed opportunity, in fact, I think fleshing out just what is going on there would have made FF XIII-2 an infinitely better game by default, even if all the Cauis and Etro shit were to be exactly the same just covering the very real human side of a person having to choose to do right and possibly not exist at all versus killing many in the future and then dying in a mature way. It could have been a fascinating sidequest in a game full of gibberish BS and instead it is just nothing.
And regarding Alyssa, I mean, how friendly are she and Hope anyways? Considering they get together about right after Serah and Noel start their mission and then are constantly jumping forward in time to keep up with Serah and Noel it's possible they only have known each other for a few weeks! Lol. Not sure that's really a big betrayal.
And further though, her motives are pretty whack. Again, I get the Cauis manipulation plot, it makes sense, except, as I've said before, it doesn't. She's an integral part of the future Hope is building she otherwise wasn't integral, if time did flow backwards to make the past line up with the future than ensuring Hope's efforts fail seems way more likely to blink her out of existence than aiding him. I'm sure Father Time in FF XIII-2 is just as stupid as anyone else in the game but you'd have a hard time convincing me that time would erase someone who had an active hand in building that future just to make some random person live in her place. It's silly. Further, I'm not quite sure why she gives two shits about what happens to her in another timeline or whatever. She's living now, if she did nothing to aid or help Serah and Hope and just lived out her live she would have been an old woman and died long before time ever sorted it out and if time then worked backwards and made her actually be dead during the purge or whenever it was she thought she died on Cocoon, well, who gives a shit? That's not even worth worrying about. I mean, even if they fixed the timeline or not, for the shit 500 years in the future they still have no guarantee that a million years in the future a butterfly wont shit on a flower and time will wipe her ass out anyways because time's stupid. Shit.
Regardless though, a story isn't always a fascinating story or even logical, sometimes the fascination comes from just seeing how a person handles themselves in that scenario, good or bad, logically or not, and the mere act of FF XIII-2 doing it would have only helped it.
But anyways, about the monster Lightening talks about!
And regarding Alyssa, I mean, how friendly are she and Hope anyways? Considering they get together about right after Serah and Noel start their mission and then are constantly jumping forward in time to keep up with Serah and Noel it's possible they only have known each other for a few weeks! Lol. Not sure that's really a big betrayal.
And further though, her motives are pretty whack. Again, I get the Cauis manipulation plot, it makes sense, except, as I've said before, it doesn't. She's an integral part of the future Hope is building she otherwise wasn't integral, if time did flow backwards to make the past line up with the future than ensuring Hope's efforts fail seems way more likely to blink her out of existence than aiding him. I'm sure Father Time in FF XIII-2 is just as stupid as anyone else in the game but you'd have a hard time convincing me that time would erase someone who had an active hand in building that future just to make some random person live in her place. It's silly. Further, I'm not quite sure why she gives two shits about what happens to her in another timeline or whatever. She's living now, if she did nothing to aid or help Serah and Hope and just lived out her live she would have been an old woman and died long before time ever sorted it out and if time then worked backwards and made her actually be dead during the purge or whenever it was she thought she died on Cocoon, well, who gives a shit? That's not even worth worrying about. I mean, even if they fixed the timeline or not, for the shit 500 years in the future they still have no guarantee that a million years in the future a butterfly wont shit on a flower and time will wipe her ass out anyways because time's stupid. Shit.
Regardless though, a story isn't always a fascinating story or even logical, sometimes the fascination comes from just seeing how a person handles themselves in that scenario, good or bad, logically or not, and the mere act of FF XIII-2 doing it would have only helped it.
But anyways, about the monster Lightening talks about!
R_thanatos
Member
Sorry about the massive Black set of text
First i agree that this stuff SHOULD have been presented better to the player ( aside from the paradox ending ) For example seeing that ending unlock another quest or cutscenes with alyssa explaining ( literraly ) her reasons or something explaining , how she comes to that conclusion... yes her worries are explored and expressed in chapter 2 but that's not enough. the proof is that you didn't get her position. The only way you can is an extensive ready of the datalog.
The thing is that alyssa only speed up Hope ..she was a great help , yes but nothing more.. Hope motivations are crystal clear ( mom, lightning , vanille, fang ) and he WOULD have reached that point with or without alyssa. After all just in 10 years , he became THE indisputed leader of academia AND EVEN 400 years or 500 years after there isn't even remotly a dent on that leadership.
Hope even managed to reach 500AF without alyssa Help, that's proof enough that he could do it by himself...
Alyssa worries are genuine and real. If the timeline get corrected , that means no paradoxes ...or her existance, the very fact she is alive is a paradox.You won't work on something that'll destroy your existance ... her motivations and action are making sense... She is living now but would cease to exist at anytime and even with the events in chapter 2 , she can't convince herself 100% that his doesn't matter ( thanks to caius ).
As for her time with hope , she did spent a LOT of time with him. HOPE took her under his wong shortly after the even at Bresha 005AF , and they spent 5 years working together .
After that , in the first arc of the timeline , they spent 3 more year working together to make the proto falcie , before they get killed. Even when this part disapears in the timeline, they spent AT least a full year if not more working on their time bubble and god know how long in flash forward state untill 400 AF ( that travel wasn't instant ).
Anyway no matter how you see it , alyssa & hope spent 6 or 7 year minimum together so that was a pretty big betrayal to me.
Even if she did nothing , she ( as she is during the game ) wouldn't have existed AT ALL , since she was supposed to die during the purge 10 days before the fall , 7 days before the start of ff13.
It's not a matter of leave them alone , if she did nothing she would die, if she helps , she would cease to exist . Unless her worries are false ( and that isn't proven ) , her only path is to maintain a status quo by preventing the timeline repair
The thing is that alyssa only speed up Hope ..she was a great help , yes but nothing more.. Hope motivations are crystal clear ( mom, lightning , vanille, fang ) and he WOULD have reached that point with or without alyssa. After all just in 10 years , he became THE indisputed leader of academia AND EVEN 400 years or 500 years after there isn't even remotly a dent on that leadership.
Hope even managed to reach 500AF without alyssa Help, that's proof enough that he could do it by himself...
Alyssa worries are genuine and real. If the timeline get corrected , that means no paradoxes ...or her existance, the very fact she is alive is a paradox.You won't work on something that'll destroy your existance ... her motivations and action are making sense... She is living now but would cease to exist at anytime and even with the events in chapter 2 , she can't convince herself 100% that his doesn't matter ( thanks to caius ).
As for her time with hope , she did spent a LOT of time with him. HOPE took her under his wong shortly after the even at Bresha 005AF , and they spent 5 years working together .
After that , in the first arc of the timeline , they spent 3 more year working together to make the proto falcie , before they get killed. Even when this part disapears in the timeline, they spent AT least a full year if not more working on their time bubble and god know how long in flash forward state untill 400 AF ( that travel wasn't instant ).
Anyway no matter how you see it , alyssa & hope spent 6 or 7 year minimum together so that was a pretty big betrayal to me.
Even if she did nothing , she ( as she is during the game ) wouldn't have existed AT ALL , since she was supposed to die during the purge 10 days before the fall , 7 days before the start of ff13.
It's not a matter of leave them alone , if she did nothing she would die, if she helps , she would cease to exist . Unless her worries are false ( and that isn't proven ) , her only path is to maintain a status quo by preventing the timeline repair
She wouldn't have ceased to exist she would have just died sooner, there's a HUGE difference. Either way she'd have been born and she'd have died, the only difference is when she would have died and frankly that'd be determined after the fact to the point of it not mattering.
As for Hope, you never know, it's a cop out to say he'd have got it done without her, however, once she helped him with the time tube thingy once of course he should have been able to do it again, that doesn't show any true skill just that he was able to copy something someone else built.
But having seen the time they spent, sure, it's a bigger betrayal.
As for Hope, you never know, it's a cop out to say he'd have got it done without her, however, once she helped him with the time tube thingy once of course he should have been able to do it again, that doesn't show any true skill just that he was able to copy something someone else built.
But having seen the time they spent, sure, it's a bigger betrayal.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
You're in here too?!
It's an old thing with time travel stories where a person alters a timeline to save themselves/a loved one, so that didn't seem to be a big deal to me.
In the "real" timeline, if you want to call it that, no one discovers her betrayal... but presumably the assassination attempt still happened, as hinted at in the paradox ending, and somehow Hope survived and Alyssa died. Hell, maybe she regretted her choice and sacrificed herself to save Hope? Who knows.
In the "real" timeline, if you want to call it that, no one discovers her betrayal... but presumably the assassination attempt still happened, as hinted at in the paradox ending, and somehow Hope survived and Alyssa died. Hell, maybe she regretted her choice and sacrificed herself to save Hope? Who knows.
Yes, always.
Huh, from what I gather from the NPC dialog Alyssa was indeed being written out of everyone's minds to the point that Hope was the only one who even remembered her name. She doesn't die or get arrested, she gets removed from the timeline and people forget about her.(presumabely this means she now dies back before Cocoon fell)
R_thanatos
Member
The alyssa as a academian researcher would have ceased to exist.Her self would have died and thats what she was afraid of.
Hope probably didnt brand alyssa as a traitor(there was no need to)but she didnt vanish from everyones minds thats for sure since no paradox was solved.
Hope probably didnt brand alyssa as a traitor(there was no need to)but she didnt vanish from everyones minds thats for sure since no paradox was solved.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Time paradoxes give me a headache.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Just re-watched the cut scene where I thought a monster was mentioned.
Here's the video, spoilers obviously: http://youtu.be/XfgTOTB8hBA?t=32m41s
She says "a darkness" and that's what pulled her into Valhalla. I would assume this will be delved into in part 3?
Here's the video, spoilers obviously: http://youtu.be/XfgTOTB8hBA?t=32m41s
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
I wouldn't mind getting the DLC, it's just that I imagine I won't have a chance of winning if I can't even beat Ochu. Who I imagine is one of the easier hidden bosses.
Is it possible to recruit a monster by targeting it, looking for a crystal before you kill its allies, then restarting if it doesn't convert?
Edit: Finally got the fucking monster I was after. Must have run into 20-25 of them before I finally got it. Now time to try Ochu and Immortal.
I read the Edge review of this game and thought it was incredibly harsh... Rarely find myself disagreeing with them but I except for the one nitpick they had about the difficulty (which is semi-remedied by doing the non-story content), a lot of their criticisms were just... stupid.
Edit: Finally got the fucking monster I was after. Must have run into 20-25 of them before I finally got it. Now time to try Ochu and Immortal.
I read the Edge review of this game and thought it was incredibly harsh... Rarely find myself disagreeing with them but I except for the one nitpick they had about the difficulty (which is semi-remedied by doing the non-story content), a lot of their criticisms were just... stupid.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The bosses can be trivial if you come in overpowered, for what that's worth.
Sure, but that's the player's prerogative. I choose to play that way because I enjoy making myself overpowered.
The core of the game is good. One of the things the reviewer actually cited was "Pokémon" as a detracting element.
The main story bosses? They were trivial for me. Only the very last fight lasted longer than a regular encounter for me
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I never bothered with post game content.
I may have been overleveled since I ended with 129/160 fragments. I also found the Proto-Behemoth fight that people said was really hard to be like every other fight and over within 30s or whatever.
I never actually tried to be overleveled. I just do quests that I could do. I'm not a completionist or anything.
and that was just because he kept going back and respawning those other ones
I never bothered with post game content.
I may have been overleveled since I ended with 129/160 fragments. I also found the Proto-Behemoth fight that people said was really hard to be like every other fight and over within 30s or whatever.
I never actually tried to be overleveled. I just do quests that I could do. I'm not a completionist or anything.
Just nabbed Lightning, finally. I actually lost count of how many serious attempts I made to tame her. Christ, that was painful. Heh.
At least it netted me a ton of crystals, I was able to easily max her out. Onward to the rest of the game.
At least it netted me a ton of crystals, I was able to easily max her out. Onward to the rest of the game.
Oh fuck yes. Immortal dropped both his ATB speed +50% weapons, and Ochu dropped his chain bonus +5 swords. Just the Ochu bow to go!
Wait, you can recruit Lightning? And she's a Blaster? Fuck me, so I spent all this time farming Potent Orbs/Crystals to max out my Blue Chocobo and there's a better Blaster in the game... Fuck me. :lol :lol :lol
Wait, you can recruit Lightning? And she's a Blaster? Fuck me, so I spent all this time farming Potent Orbs/Crystals to max out my Blue Chocobo and there's a better Blaster in the game... Fuck me. :lol :lol :lol
StoppedInTracks
Member
Of course. This is the only way I was able to tame Proto Behemoth and the Woodwraiths. Kill the monster, see if it turns to crystal if not then retry.
The problem with the Woodwraiths fight is that the camera ALWAYS moves to the second woodwraith when you kill his friend (he does some special attack at that moment) and you CANNOT see if the one you killed turned or not. I found a way to overcome this: the finishing blow must be done by Meteor Javelin/ Ultima Arrow (NOT by Feral Link). This breaks the scripted camera event in the battle and you can see if there is a crystal or not.