You believe they could tackle a subject as rich and delicate as an adult relationship in an entertaining way? I'm glad he knows his limits.
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FINAL FANTASY XIII-2 |OT| Change the Future
- Thread starter Kagari
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LOL.
No, no. I'm pretty sure Versus will be about
fujioushi-driven bro-
ZephyrFate
Banned
If it's the final area, Kagari is wrong. That place is awesome.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
I'm hoping this isn't true...
Why? A love plot in a Square-Enix game has always been a terrible thing.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
For you maybe. I for one loved the romantic parts of FFVIII and X. I found the relationship between Squall and Rinoa more interesting than the bullshit that was the other part of the plot in that game. And I didn't give a shit about Sin destroying the world, but I did care for Tidus and Yuna.
In both of those games, such plot developments were done pretty poorly and forced on the player with no weight to it. It's like it just..happens in both games, I thought. It's still probably done with more compelling conviction than the main plots of both of those games, regardless.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
You're wrong. Neither Squall/Rinoa or Tidus/Yuna felt forced. Forced? Look at some of the other shitty JRPGs out there but not Final Fantasy. Heck, Squall fucking despised being near Rinoa half the game.In both of those games, such plot developments were done pretty poorly and forced on the player with no weight to it. It's like it just..happens in both games, I thought. It's still probably done with more compelling conviction than the main plots of both of those games, regardless.
ZephyrFate
Banned
IX makes it work quite deftly, much like everything else about its plot.
Rahxephon91
Banned
Yeah people forget about IX's love sub-plot. Probably because it was the most natural and less in your face.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Both FFIX and FFX's love stories worked, imo. Translating the final line to "I love you" in FFX was probably one of the best decisions Alexander O. Smith made. FFIX's love slowly, but naturally, grew from friendship to something deeper, and it was great.
Actually, I think the colour palette choices for some areas, shading, and area design are really good in this game. I thought I'd like
the best out of everything, but there are a few parts of the game that I like more than that as I thought they were rather creative.
And, uh, I'm starting to find Worlds Collide catchy. Something's wrong with meeeee. Maybe it's because the mixing of the lyrics vs the music is better in-game.
I do have to say that out of all the themes, the Caius ones and the new Hope theme arrangement are my favourites. The Hope Theme arrangement sounds like it fell out of a Genso Suikoden game and into a Final Fantasy title; I love the instrumentation a lot.
I do like that a lot of the time when you transition into battles
That place has really nice aesthetics, Tetris puzzle pieces included--I love the "waves" the move across each piece. I chuckled a bit when people attempted the platforming because the game allows you to hold and lengthen your jump for a while (that is, unless the controls aren't very responsive) but the players chose to run off the ledge sometimes. Clearly the designer pulled an all-nighter while designing it, playing Tetris intermittently.
Actually, I think the colour palette choices for some areas, shading, and area design are really good in this game. I thought I'd like
the snowy areas
And, uh, I'm starting to find Worlds Collide catchy. Something's wrong with meeeee. Maybe it's because the mixing of the lyrics vs the music is better in-game.
I do have to say that out of all the themes, the Caius ones and the new Hope theme arrangement are my favourites. The Hope Theme arrangement sounds like it fell out of a Genso Suikoden game and into a Final Fantasy title; I love the instrumentation a lot.
I do like that a lot of the time when you transition into battles
the music doesn't change. I love it when games do that, and it gives the player that extra "rush" feeling, or in the case of something like Oerba, for example, retaining the overall mood of the situation at hand.
I thought both were quite forced. And comparing the efforts in VIII/X to other JRPGs does not mean the efforts found in the former are any good. Sure, they're better, but that doesn't mean they were done well. As someone already mentioned, IX did a purtey good job with it, and I actually think IV does a better job with it too, despite Cecil/Rosa seeming very two-dimensional by today's standards.
Can we at least agree that Serah/Snow is the worst loveydovey couple in the FF series? :3
djplaeskool
Member
Haven't really been moved by any of these FF love stories, or in any game for a long time.
Heck, I don't think I've felt any emotional connection like that since watching Rika base jump into Chaz's arms at the end of Phantasy Star IV...of course, I was 14 at the time.
Heck, I don't think I've felt any emotional connection like that since watching Rika base jump into Chaz's arms at the end of Phantasy Star IV...of course, I was 14 at the time.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
What the heck happened to "50 hours"?
Fragment Collection and getting the Paradox Endings, most likely.
If you do all the extra fragments and stuff.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
What did she say in the Japanese version?
I think you should realize that we're talking about video games here and not a super convoluted 900 pages-long love-story. The relationship doesn't feel forced or "in your face" - and unlike some people, I don't tend to compare video game story and character development with novels and movies.
edit: my above comment seemed very aggressive. I'm not bad
.Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I think so, particularly because
her friendship with Noel is a lot more believable than her romantic relationship with Snow, even taking the light novels into account. It just wasn't developed well enough... though I don't think it could have been given the nature of FFXIII's scenario.
She said "arigatou", and while that can function as "I love you" in Japanese, he could have directly translated it to "thank you" to acknowledge the trouble that Tidus went through to help her out and to thank him for it.Yoshichan said:
Apparently he had to check with Nojima to make sure that he could make the translation to that.
The Praiseworthy
Member
For me.... Zidane&Garnet were >>> Squall&Rinoa = Tidus&Yuna.
but above all.... Tifa&Cloud, she really REALLY loved him and cared about him so much and deeply, now THIS is a true love I want to see again in FFXV
but above all.... Tifa&Cloud, she really REALLY loved him and cared about him so much and deeply, now THIS is a true love I want to see again in FFXV
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Hmm, this blows my mind and changes everything. Now I don't know what to think anymore
Haha, let's be serious now.but above all.... Tifa&Cloud, she really REALLY loved him and cared about him so much and deeply, now THIS is a true love I want to see again in FFXV
I think you should realize that we're talking about video games here and not a super convoluted 900 pages-long love-story. The relationship doesn't feel forced or "in your face" - and unlike some people, I don't tend to compare video game story and character development with novels and movies.
edit: my above comment seemed very aggressive. I'm not bad
I know we are, and that's why I feel forcing a love plot is a pretty meh thing to do for a game. Unless it's a date sim, it will very likely not be done in such a way to make my heart thuh-thump for it. Maybe my dislike of Squall/Rinoa and Tidus/Yuna is that I found both males to be unbearable as protagonists.
And it's fine. You don't seem like a very hostile person from what I've seen, so I didn't get bothered.
Neat. 25 hours in is about where I completely lost interest in XIII so maybe I'll actually finish this one.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Even though I've beaten FFXIII three times, I can't honestly remember how long that game was (ignoring all side-quests)? Anyone remember?
Haha, yeah XD Not liking the main protagonist may have something to do with the problem!I know we are, and that's why I feel forcing a love plot is a pretty meh thing to do for a game. Unless it's a date sim, it will very likely not be done in such a way to make my heart thuh-thump for it. Maybe my dislike of Squall/Rinoa and Tidus/Yuna is that I found both males to be unbearable as protagonists.
Castor Krieg
Banned
45-50 hours I think.
Electivirus
Member
If the story is apparently the worst thing about the game, then I'm pretty sure I'll enjoy it. XP
...says the guy who enjoyed XIII's story.
...says the guy who enjoyed XIII's story.
Short Summary of Positive and Negatives :-\ of 13-2 please now !
FateBreaker
Member
Hmm. I was remaining hopeful that Toriyama could clean up the mess of a story in XIII. Oh well. It sounds like the game is still good though, so I'll still pick it up.
ZephyrFate
Banned
Despite impressions here, the ending is actually pretty interesting in the context of the game. The story isn't really as bad as people have been saying.
Hmm, this blows my mind and changes everything. Now I don't know what to think anymore
There was an interview with Alex O Smith recently where he discusses the decision.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
And during the ending, all you heard was Sazh's voice from inside the ship. SE doesn't care for Sazh. :lol
Yeah, within narrative context, it makes sense.ZephyrFate said:
Noel is good, I think. I like him a lot better than Snow (I didn't like Snow). And Hope is quite a decent character (though I didn't have a lot of problems with him in FFXIII).
The Praiseworthy
Member
Wait... comparing to FFXIII and let's say FFXIII was a 100% ( it's not but just an example ), so how's FFXIII-2 compared to it? 70%? 55%? 30%?
Was it better than FFX-2 to FFX or worse or even?
RPGCrazied
Member
wat.
I thought it was 40hours at least? Did you do any side missions?
Also, is Gran Pulse in the game?
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Spoiler tag the answer with a bunch of letters please!
AlphaDragoon
Member
but above all.... Tifa&Cloud, she really REALLY loved him and cared about him so much and deeply, now THIS is a true love I want to see again in FFXV
...LOL?
Off topic so spoilered:
Are we forgetting the lovely rewrites to their history Cloud messed up yet Tifa let Cloud believe them to make them seem closer than they really were? And that she did it because it benefited her now that she had the hots for him? Tifa was kind of an asshole until the second half of FFVII IMO, and didn't deserve Cloud. Honestly, I'm happy they never actually got together because of that.
Tidus and Yuna was pretty good, I'm one of those who think they deserved to be happy so his revival in FFX-2 (which was already hinted at in FFX International) didn't bother me at all.
Of course, best FF couple is Cecil/Rosa.
Tidus and Yuna was pretty good, I'm one of those who think they deserved to be happy so his revival in FFX-2 (which was already hinted at in FFX International) didn't bother me at all.
Of course, best FF couple is Cecil/Rosa.
Anyway, it's pretty sad that Serah's
relationship with Noel despite them not being romantic is way better than her actual romance with Snow. XD
What? That was where the game actually started getting good.
Is this directed at me? You resolt to personal insults... why?
I did a lot of the side stuff. And yes and no? Parts of it are but not that main field area that existed in XIII.
Zoe
Member
They change mysteriously when you first see her.