Dedication Through Light
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bunbun777 said:
A Theater mode, they better not charge for it, lol. Though has any FF ever had one?
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A Theater mode, they better not charge for it, lol. Though has any FF ever had one?
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"Finished" the game yesterday. Now I'm on to the missions! I actually could not beat the end with my character setup no matter what I tried (Light/Sazh/Hope) so I had to use Light/Fang/Hope. Let the postgame begin! 
FFXIII is the first Final Fantasy, and actually first game ever, where I have started skipping cutscenes on my first playthrough without having previously seen them. Initially it was kind of funny when I couldn't understand half of the words the characters were speaking in each sentence as they were littered with made-up names for things in the game world. It got worse when they started referring to the same people and places by multiple names. That would have been fine but I still didn't know who or what they were referring to by the first name, so by using nicknames or formal names or whatever it left me totally confused. After 15-20 hours of that I totally lost interest in the story and the characters. Thankfully every cutscene so far has been skippable.
I just got to Chapter 11 last night and up to that point for most of the cutscenes in the game I have no idea what is going on, why it's going on, and why I should care. For devoting so much time to non-interactive cutscenes they really could have used that time better. If you are going to obfuscate so much of the story for so long, with characters acting as if they understand everything while the player understands nothing, the payoff of the story when you actually figure it out has to be worth it. Unfortunately, the story of FFXIII turned out to be so not worth my time invested in watching all the cutscenes, which is disappointing to me as someone who played through to completion and enjoyed every FF game except 2 and X-2, and including 11, to the extent it could be completed.
At one point I found myself longing for writing even at the unintentionally comical and laughably embarrassing level of Valkyria Chronicles (see Welkin's "I want to be a bridge" speech). I'm only still playing FFXIII for the gameplay at this point, which is good but also much more frustrating than FFXII since my AI characters never cast the spells I want them to or attack the target I want them to, leading to a number of unnecessary deaths. I had no difficulty getting them to do whatever I wanted in FFXII. I hope they give the player at least the option of having more control over AI characters in future games. Waiting for Sazh to buff Light with the right spell is quite annoying. He always manages to give all three characters 5 or 6 buffs before casting the one I want on Light.
And unlike pretty much every other FF, the music in FFXIII is often completely inappropriate for what you're doing in the game. Overall, this game is really disappointing.
I just got to Chapter 11 last night and up to that point for most of the cutscenes in the game I have no idea what is going on, why it's going on, and why I should care. For devoting so much time to non-interactive cutscenes they really could have used that time better. If you are going to obfuscate so much of the story for so long, with characters acting as if they understand everything while the player understands nothing, the payoff of the story when you actually figure it out has to be worth it. Unfortunately, the story of FFXIII turned out to be so not worth my time invested in watching all the cutscenes, which is disappointing to me as someone who played through to completion and enjoyed every FF game except 2 and X-2, and including 11, to the extent it could be completed.
At one point I found myself longing for writing even at the unintentionally comical and laughably embarrassing level of Valkyria Chronicles (see Welkin's "I want to be a bridge" speech). I'm only still playing FFXIII for the gameplay at this point, which is good but also much more frustrating than FFXII since my AI characters never cast the spells I want them to or attack the target I want them to, leading to a number of unnecessary deaths. I had no difficulty getting them to do whatever I wanted in FFXII. I hope they give the player at least the option of having more control over AI characters in future games. Waiting for Sazh to buff Light with the right spell is quite annoying. He always manages to give all three characters 5 or 6 buffs before casting the one I want on Light.
And unlike pretty much every other FF, the music in FFXIII is often completely inappropriate for what you're doing in the game. Overall, this game is really disappointing.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
I restarted if I didn't get a platinum ingot (since I used 3tp for summon each time). Same thing with Dark Matters, where I was extremely unlucky.iconoclast said:
Ricker said:
Thank you~Vanille said:
_Xenon_ said:
Pulse fal'Cie don't want to bring the Maker back, they just HAVE to destroy Cocoon because they were created to protect Pulse and its inhabitants and Cocoon's existence is dangerous as it constantly loots material from Pulse, mercilessly killing people in the process.
Brandson said:
The problem is that you are supposed to read ALL datalogs to get a better understanding of the terminology in the game-world. But even doing so didn't give me a better insight into what's going on. Square-Enix should take a lesson from Bioware and Mass Effect's Codex with Narration for all the important logs.
I'm just glad the post-game is an order of magnitude better than the actual game, and at this point ( 68 hours ) I've actually forgotten what the story was or all the lame Villians they throw at you. Maybe it's the MMO player in me that likes collecting stuff and I've made myself a nice little checklist
Rez said:
So true :lol
I was actually discussing it today over lunch, and we were wondering if they needed to "pipe up" the first 30 hours not to scare away Western gamers or something
Anyway, to answer my own post earlier in this thread; if you seem to hit a slump at Chapter 11, there's a few things you can do. Don't worry about upgrading weapons just yet if the ones you want to upgrade aren't available. I had enough components to upgrade two weapons to around level 12 or so.
Start following the yellow marker around for a bit and do the C'ieth stone missions on the way. Most of these are Waystones, meaning you can teleport between them to make traveling a whole lot easier. I recommend doing missions 1-6, 8-9 and 20. These are fairly easy and rewarding, and I managed to 5-star them with a bit of setup.
After this, the yellow marker should take you to a big cave guarded by a King Behemoth and a Megisutoterium, which is a good place to grind some CP if you need to. Afterward you can move on with the story.
Well, im' about 8 hours in, and still hate this game. I find nothing compelling or interesting. I find this odd, because I have a very broad interest in RPGs, and don't mind JRPG gibberish. Hell, Crisis Core is one of my favorite games of the last five years. I don't know, the combination of little irritations I have with this game just seem to grate on me. I am yet to be able to play for more than 90 minutes in a single sitting without getting bored and turning off the system. I figure i'll force myself to play until I hit 15 hours. Hopefully I get more into it.
Scythesurge
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Ch 11 is awesome, that is all. Though I can no longer play this game when I'm tired because I get too frustrated with the battles.
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Dedication Through Light said:
FFX had one in game that you could unlock towards the end.
hypostatic
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@lawblob I can't see how you can dislike it so much. Sure there are a few design choices that are less than ideal, and the story isn't going to win any awards, but I think it's an all-around solid RPG. We take what we can in this genre. In any case, your tweets re: FF13 are hilarious.
dreamer3kx
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darkwings said:
Can you explain why?
edgefusion
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glaurung said:
Why would you do that? Send it back and tell them that it arrived in unacceptable condition and you want a new one. And compensation for the wait.
I dont get why people are saying this is so bad. Sure its linear and the story isn't great but its still damn fun. I think a ton of people just want a certain kind of RPG and not willing to go with what they are releasing nowadays.
Although I must admit I do miss old school RPGs. Just finished Wild Arms 3 and damn that game was difficult to figure out where to go next. Loved the story too, beats the crap outta FFXIII.
I had a good laugh at Sahz and the Gigantuar last night :lol . Quickly one shot my entire party one by one. Think its gonna be awhile before that one happens.
Although I must admit I do miss old school RPGs. Just finished Wild Arms 3 and damn that game was difficult to figure out where to go next. Loved the story too, beats the crap outta FFXIII.
I had a good laugh at Sahz and the Gigantuar last night :lol . Quickly one shot my entire party one by one. Think its gonna be awhile before that one happens.
I'm at chapter 9 right now, I think (just
), and I'm having fun, though the game is far from mindblowing. It is linear as fuck, but it tickles my desire to level up characters and the battle system's fun. The excellent/mindblowing presentation also helps, and the story thus far is catchy enough to keep me going. Except Vanille. I hope she dies.
boarded/infiltrated that big-ass ship
darkjedi187
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Finally started chapter 11. Looked at my game clock and said I was @ 24 hours. Good lord chapters 8-10 took me like 8 hrs. Anyway the game has completely changed. I'm getting my ass handed to me left and right. You really need to use the Paradigms must more efficiently. I did manage to get through the first 5 marks.
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At chapter 12 so far.
Should have they tried to make the villain more generic? (That's sarcasm.) It's like they tried to make it as generic as possible; but without the humor to make him a parody completely. Because that's almost what he is. The forced evil laugh is cheesy, and so is how he pops every once and then to function both as a Deus Ex Machina and to tell the party all the plans and everything that is happening so the player can know, well... everything (yeah, I know he has a random reason for doing that). And the saddest part is that this representative of piss poor writing is the only thing that's making the extremely dry story progressing. :lol
Should have they tried to make the villain more generic? (That's sarcasm.) It's like they tried to make it as generic as possible; but without the humor to make him a parody completely. Because that's almost what he is. The forced evil laugh is cheesy, and so is how he pops every once and then to function both as a Deus Ex Machina and to tell the party all the plans and everything that is happening so the player can know, well... everything (yeah, I know he has a random reason for doing that). And the saddest part is that this representative of piss poor writing is the only thing that's making the extremely dry story progressing. :lol
davepoobond
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Epix said:
its not a teleport stone.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
a better comparison would be Chrono Cross + FFX
darkjedi187
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Which ones can teleport. I think mark 5 told me about the ability to teleport from them but I have yet to find one that allows me to teleport.
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Orange on the map.
I'm really pissed that in Chap11, at the end, you have to fight
And if this wasn't enought, he have 3.3 fucking million HPs, every fucking possible curse to throw at my party, and last but not least LASERS. Holy shit he is fucking me hard right now.
And guess what? When he reaches 1.000.000 HPs, he casts Sentence at you, so you have to drain away (while he casts bio and all those shit) 1 fucking million HPs in the Sentence time!
HOLY FUCK, who designed this encounter is RETARDED (or I am retarded if I'm missing the key point to kill him, which is probably true).
(I have every 2 main jobs for Light/Fang/Hope mastered at lvl4 and I cant progress further, ligfht and fang have like 1000 attack power, hope have 1000 magic power, hps are in the 4000 range... what the fuck...)
Barthandelus again.
And guess what? When he reaches 1.000.000 HPs, he casts Sentence at you, so you have to drain away (while he casts bio and all those shit) 1 fucking million HPs in the Sentence time!
HOLY FUCK, who designed this encounter is RETARDED (or I am retarded if I'm missing the key point to kill him, which is probably true).
(I have every 2 main jobs for Light/Fang/Hope mastered at lvl4 and I cant progress further, ligfht and fang have like 1000 attack power, hope have 1000 magic power, hps are in the 4000 range... what the fuck...)
All these nightmare stories about doom makes me glad I never took long enough on a boss to have to deal with it. Question time! I'm guessing the watch or clock thing you get from the last mission is required for the all item trophy? I have a ton of ingots saved up in preparation for the item upgrade crap.
Exhumed said:
Personally, I think there are a few reasons I am so down on the game. For starters, I can't help but feel somewhat aghast at the resource allocation in this game. On one hand you have stunning visuals, painstakingly-detailed characters, etc. Yet when these characters open their mouths, out comes dialogue that is so ham fisted and poorly written, it feels very grating. When my characters in DQ5 or Crisis Core say nonsensical or cliche things, it doesn't feel as awkward, because the whole experience felt like a less-serious affair. I don't know, there's just something about having such lame dialouge spoken by a crisp HD character that makes it so jarring.
The second thing that is driving me crazy is the really limp way in which the story is being presented. Granted, im' probably only 1/3 through the game, but they could not have done a worse job in the way the story and plot are rolled-out. I paused the game two times during the first hour of play because I thought I had accidentally skipped forward a few chapters, or something. The first three hours of the game I kept saying to myself: "are you kidding me? This is how the game begins?" There just seems to be an enormous layer of smugness in the way the game is presented.
Yazus said:
It's not that hard of a battle. Just start off with Bully, then switch to protection eventually once a character gets lower on HP. From there, go relentless assault and stagger him (it's not too hard). At that point, unload on him until the stagger bar's pretty much done, then combat clinic. When buffs aren't optimal, reapply. when healh isn't near max, combat clinic. Any other time, relentless assault to aggression.
I beat it in 5 minutes. It's not hard so lng as you use buffs and are aggressive.
dreamer3kx
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Yazus said:
nm I thought you were talking about someone else, man I didn't have a problem with him at all, I dont remember exactly how I beat him but I do remember beating him pretty easily.
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Final boss realizations/possible tips:
I just realized Orphan wasn't very very hard, I didn't use the poison trick either though. His sword form was annoying coz it cut my life by 3/5~4/5. Combat Clinic (Sentinel/Medic/Medic) is very useful in this situation, then after that switch to Evened Odds (Synergist/Saboteur/Medic), then Relentless Ravage/Diversity until he casts the sword thing again. It's always important to start with Evened Odds.
bigdaddygamebot
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So it SEEMS like you're really only supposed to use Fang/Lightning/Hope?
That true?
Discuss.
That true?
Discuss.
marathonfool
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I went with Snow/Sazh/Vanille for the end of chapter 11 and for 3/4 of chapter 12. I didn't have any trouble whatsoever. It even seemed that the battles were a bit faster due to Sazh's haste/enpower and Vanille's deprotect/deshell. The behemoths in particular didn't even have time to transform.bigdaddygamebot said:
Tathanen said:
No. i mean I'd have to actually suffer through Chapter 12 and 13 to get back to Pulse. I know that once in 13, you can go back. And once you beat the game, you can too. But I'd have to suffer through another 5 to 7 hours of horror to do it
Yazus said:
I beat him on my first try and four starred him! /internet brag
Amir0x said:No. i mean I'd have to actually suffer through Chapter 12 and 13 to get back to Pulse. I know that once in 13, you can go back. And once you beat the game, you can too. But I'd have to suffer through another 5 to 7 hours of horror to do it
Hey at least these look good :lol Chapter 12 also has *some* areas with actual branching paths and everything.
Fimbulvetr
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Amir0x said:No. i mean I'd have to actually suffer through Chapter 12 and 13 to get back to Pulse. I know that once in 13, you can go back. And once you beat the game, you can too. But I'd have to suffer through another 5 to 7 hours of horror to do it
I beat him on my first try and four starred him! /internet brag
You'd only have to suffer through 12, the portals to pulse open immediately at 13.
Though you'd need to get through 13 to unlock the final Crystogenesis thing.
Besides, chapter 12 is really good at points.
Fimbulvetr said:
People said chap 7 was good at points, and chp 9 was good at points. Every chp someone says is "good at points" is actually terrible in all points, save chp 11.
Anyway, I feel like we're getting dangerously close to going back to familiar territory in this conversation, so I just want to say I'm camping in GRAN PULSE forever!
(thanks for the information on the portal to Gran Pulse though, actually. Knowing it's that soon may actually motivate me to walk that last leg, if only to unlock more Crystarium)
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