popsicle_sundays
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FTWer said:
Pretty sure I never said that it was a problem with having both. Chapter 11 just wasn't good in my opinion, the open world aspect I said was nice but it was terrible overall because of the difficulty spike.
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Pretty sure I never said that it was a problem with having both. Chapter 11 just wasn't good in my opinion, the open world aspect I said was nice but it was terrible overall because of the difficulty spike.
ZephyrFate
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How, exactly, was there a difficulty spike? If you grind the floating ladybug creatures in the western corner, then the King Behemoth vs. wolf fight north of that, you're set for the rest of the chapter. Honestly, Chapter 11 is hard if you attempt fights you KNOW you can't win. The game doesn't just leave you high and dry. You just have to pick your fights better.FuttBuck said:
toastyToast
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Himuro said:
Stage 1 -> Stage 2 weapons require one of 6 or so catalysts. When you try to upgrade a star level weapon you'll only be able to use that specific component.
ZephyrFate said:
It was just a really stupid mechanic earlier on when you only had two people. When you finally got a medic to learn raise, then...well, it was completely useless until you were able to have 3 members, and even THEN it's only there to be be used if a single specific person dies. You either need to use a phoenix down(or another medic, if possible) to revive the normal medic if he dies, or you let the medic actually cast it on the person who died. The only other scenario is the party leader falling, which already means you lost. Atleast, until you're around 20 hours in and can actually set your own party and make the medic the leader, but I'd rather not do that.
It's also not necessarily the mechanic of it, it's more that it's at odds with the actual battle system. Not nearly as bad as the AoE attacks hitting everyone that you can't control, but that can sometimes compound on top of the leader meaning game over if your whole party is getting pounded, the medic decides to heal someone else over the leader, and then you all lose.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I wouldn't call it a true dungeon... it's the same XIII go forward stuff. There is a little back and forth.Himuro said:
The Gold Watch adds like...a few seconds.
Some of the stupid HP Tanks like the Juggernaut are still a pain to get five stars with.
I have, and as you said, it at least makes some sort of sense in those. Not to mention it feels like there's better and less complicated options for defense to make up for that aspect. It can still be just as annoying every now and then.
You could also see RoF, which has pre-defined individual characters like FFXIII, but it at least goes with a logical take on this concept and makes it Game Over if any of the three characters are KO'd.
I feel there are other notable problems with the battle system and the game in general (which are brought up just as often, btw), this is simply one out of several, and it's an aspect that's intertwined with some other problems with the game. I found little to like or find logical about the implementation of this idea in FFXIII.
Some of the stupid HP Tanks like the Juggernaut are still a pain to get five stars with.
ZephyrFate said:
I have, and as you said, it at least makes some sort of sense in those. Not to mention it feels like there's better and less complicated options for defense to make up for that aspect. It can still be just as annoying every now and then.
You could also see RoF, which has pre-defined individual characters like FFXIII, but it at least goes with a logical take on this concept and makes it Game Over if any of the three characters are KO'd.
I feel there are other notable problems with the battle system and the game in general (which are brought up just as often, btw), this is simply one out of several, and it's an aspect that's intertwined with some other problems with the game. I found little to like or find logical about the implementation of this idea in FFXIII.
Having just beat Chapter 9, two things:
1) The story is great, so far.
2) The battle system is fantastic, I'm not sure what complaints people have with it aside from leader=ko, but I haven't run into any problems with how they've balanced things. It really really shines
1) The story is great, so far.
2) The battle system is fantastic, I'm not sure what complaints people have with it aside from leader=ko, but I haven't run into any problems with how they've balanced things. It really really shines
fighting the Falcie
momolicious
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Why when i enter this thread there are pictures of the very last few chapters and everyone talking about the last chapters.
Dedication Through Light
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momolicious said:
Well the most talked about topics in this thread seem to be help with Chapter "X' boss, addressing issues with marks and item upgrades.
Wow Chapter 11 was great. I was a little overwhelmed at first, but it really hits that grinding sweet spot. My favorite part of every FF game is the endgame grind to make your characters godlike. This did not disappoint.
And while exploring gran pulse, i had one thought above all others -- I really hope FF Versus XIII is a prequel. Or somehow connected to the past in this game. There is a lot of history in Pulse, and unless chapters 12 and 13 really go into it, there could be a whole 'nother game explaining what happened down there. And I'm seeing hints of
here's hoping FFvXIII or other games in the Fabula novis whatevs build on the universe established.
And while exploring gran pulse, i had one thought above all others -- I really hope FF Versus XIII is a prequel. Or somehow connected to the past in this game. There is a lot of history in Pulse, and unless chapters 12 and 13 really go into it, there could be a whole 'nother game explaining what happened down there. And I'm seeing hints of
contemporary looking structures. there's that one ruin that resembles a hollowed out office building and Oerba seemed to be pretty tech advanced.. before it was destroyed and all. and oh yeah, you fight the chapter's last boss on a broken freeway. whole thing gave me a huge fallout 3 vibe.
Zoe said:
does that mean it'll have fal'cie and la'cie? i guess no one knows at this point.
im just hoping they tie it back to FF13/pulse
the huge war hundreds of years past.
Jamesfrom818
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After finishing the game, I can say that I didn't like the story one bit.
IronFistedChampion
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I'm at the end of Chapter 4 right now fighting
. Any tips on how to beat this thing?
Lightning's summon
Unknown Soldier
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I plowed through every Eidolon fight in the game with strategy. Yes, even Vanille's fight. You'd better learn some strategy now, instead of relying on Shrouds, because the game actually becomes a real challenge later on.
Alright, so there are multiple trash encounters in Chapter 13 where your leader can get focus fired and killed within 5 seconds, having to deal with in excess of 5-6000 damage in that timespan.
I've had to use Deceptisol (glad I never used aerosols till this chapter) to get past some of these encounters, but am now facing a mandatory one.
This is ridiculous.
I've had to use Deceptisol (glad I never used aerosols till this chapter) to get past some of these encounters, but am now facing a mandatory one.
This is ridiculous.
IronFistedChampion
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Thanks, it worked. I accidently upgraded the wrong role on Hope and I had to rely on this to beat it. >.>sillymonkey321 said:
Unknown Soldier
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grumble said:
You're preaching to the choir here, I did Vanille's Eidolon on my second try, and I did it with RAV/SEN and MED/SEN. I had about 400 to spare on the Doom counter.
pelicansurf
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I just got back into this game. I kinda stopped playing at chapter 11 because of all the "lack of direction" you suddenly get, along with the added toughness. I just jumped in and have been grinding with a huge grin on my face. I'm having fun completing the missions, accessing Chocobos, and slowly being able to kill Behemoth Kings (as long as they're fighting the giant wolf thing) and other creatures. Just getting tougher. I'm now addicted to it and am not looking forward to beating the game shortly.
Also, I have never really found the game too challenging. If you use strategy, the encounters aren't very tough but fun. I like the challenge of trying to figure what strategy(combo of members) can take down the boss. The ones where you're forced to play with imbalanced parties were the best. It's just strategy, no use in grinding or anything since you're level-capped and there are no different members. I love this game.
Also, I have never really found the game too challenging. If you use strategy, the encounters aren't very tough but fun. I like the challenge of trying to figure what strategy(combo of members) can take down the boss. The ones where you're forced to play with imbalanced parties were the best. It's just strategy, no use in grinding or anything since you're level-capped and there are no different members. I love this game.
Gamer @ Heart
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FUCK YES.
I have gotten to the point where i can kill the turtles with no problem with my fang/light/hope team in 2 and a half minutes with a little TP grinding in between. Sadly, the platinum ingot drop rate fucking sucks despite me having two characters with star level collector catalogs.
So far i have 7 weapons per character with 8 stared and 4 ultimate weapons already made. When i learned how much that 8th weapon per character costs, my anger at those fucking turtles reignited.
SLOW AND STEADY GAMER, PLAY IT COOL
I have gotten to the point where i can kill the turtles with no problem with my fang/light/hope team in 2 and a half minutes with a little TP grinding in between. Sadly, the platinum ingot drop rate fucking sucks despite me having two characters with star level collector catalogs.
So far i have 7 weapons per character with 8 stared and 4 ultimate weapons already made. When i learned how much that 8th weapon per character costs, my anger at those fucking turtles reignited.
SLOW AND STEADY GAMER, PLAY IT COOL
I HAVE MADE IT TO CHAPTER 11!
I didn't think I would. It was a rough ride. I almost quit when they made me play as Sazh and Vanille, but I battled on. And then I almost quit when they made me play as Sazh and Vanille, but I persevered. And then I almost quit when they made me play as Snow and Hope, but then I saw Fang, and I strode purposely forward. And then I almost quit when they made me play as Sazh and Vanille.
But that is history, for I am ON GRAN PULSE and I will be sure to make Vanille get eaten by the nearest Behemoth, and that Sazh dies gloriously trying to be a hero!
TO BATTLE!
I didn't think I would. It was a rough ride. I almost quit when they made me play as Sazh and Vanille, but I battled on. And then I almost quit when they made me play as Sazh and Vanille, but I persevered. And then I almost quit when they made me play as Snow and Hope, but then I saw Fang, and I strode purposely forward. And then I almost quit when they made me play as Sazh and Vanille.
But that is history, for I am ON GRAN PULSE and I will be sure to make Vanille get eaten by the nearest Behemoth, and that Sazh dies gloriously trying to be a hero!
TO BATTLE!
Is there any particular reason to start posts like that? Or was it just coincidence:
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I think the only reason why I would never replay XIII is because of the horrible limiting setup they got going on. If they had a New Game+, then maybe I would bother with it, but I just don't feel like going through Ch 1-10 ever again.
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I think the only reason why I would never replay XIII is because of the horrible limiting setup they got going on. If they had a New Game+, then maybe I would bother with it, but I just don't feel like going through Ch 1-10 ever again.
Avatar's animation is so cool.
With your hands.
I made an extra save right when I got on Pulse because of that.
But then I realized I could redo any mission and the only ones that were any fun are the ones that are still challenging even at my level, so it was a waste of space and I don't know if I have any reason at all to ever touch this game again now. :lol
Magnus said:
With your hands.
hateradio said:
I made an extra save right when I got on Pulse because of that.
But then I realized I could redo any mission and the only ones that were any fun are the ones that are still challenging even at my level, so it was a waste of space and I don't know if I have any reason at all to ever touch this game again now. :lol
Alright, broke 30 hours and got to mission 15. I'm having a lot of fun now just riding around on my chocobo killing stuff, definitely agree with Himuro that this should have been in the game earlier, if only just a few small optional parts. Just roaming around doing whatever you want at your own pace feels great to me right now.
Feels like I've been on the Archylte Steppe(main area) for awhile, IIRC all of those are at that spot somewhere.
Haha, I don't get this at all! I can't kill that bastard, though I haven't tried it in awhile. I am able to kill 2 full health behemoth kings, but not the half life one with the wolf--I always just stagger and kill before they go apeshit, it's nearly impossible to prevent on that one.
Himuro said:
Feels like I've been on the Archylte Steppe(main area) for awhile, IIRC all of those are at that spot somewhere.
pelicansurf said:
Haha, I don't get this at all! I can't kill that bastard, though I haven't tried it in awhile. I am able to kill 2 full health behemoth kings, but not the half life one with the wolf--I always just stagger and kill before they go apeshit, it's nearly impossible to prevent on that one.
I have absolutely no idea how to counter this incredibly cheap death spell the final boss is rocking. Someone help, please. I'll probably kill myself if I have to endure another 10-minute replay of this fight, just to have it arbitrarily ended by a single spell whenever the boss wants.
Orphan's Progenitorial Wrath -- around 40% health or so each time (done this three times now), he targets my leader, and Light goes down. Bam, that's it.
Magnus said:I have absolutely no idea how to counter this incredibly cheap death spell the final boss is rocking. Someone help, please. I'll probably kill myself if I have to endure another 10-minute replay of this fight, just to have it arbitrarily ended by a single spell whenever the boss wants.
Orphan's Progenitorial Wrath -- around 40% health or so each time (done this three times now), he targets my leader, and Light goes down. Bam, that's it.
See if you have some Death-resistant stuff, or just keep attempting it and hope that it doesn't stick. Not really anything else you can do. :/
Unknown Soldier
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Himuro said:
The good news is that after about 10 pages of every other post being Himuro complaining about the game, we might be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Finally. :lol
Her voice is intolerable. I wanna choke slam the person who chose the Australian girl to voiced her. I literally spent seven hours farming in Chapter 7 because I knew I would have to use Vanille afterwards. I will do the same in Chapter 8. Worst Final Fantasy character EVER!Vect said:
Himuro said:
Oh man. That girl in Star Ocean is the main reason why I didn't pick it up at full price. Nothing ruins a game more for me than HORRIBLE voice acting and dialogue. If I knew Vanille's voice over would be this intolerable I would have definitely not picked up Final Fantasy XIII at full price. And regarding Final Fantasy XIII storyline I have NO idea what the fux is going on besides the La'Cie attempting to "save" Cocoon. Thank god for the awesome gameplay mechanics or I wouldn't spend another minute on this game.
DimmuBurgerKing
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Holy shit, half of the current page is Himuro bitching about the game. :lol Taking a break from farming Trapezohedrons to rock some Ninja Gaiden II, but I'm sure I'll be back. It's an addiction. Really my only complaint about the game, but I have only myself to complain for being so dead set on 1000/1000 for a new Final Fantasy. -.-
GodfatherX
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picked this up tonight ...looking forward to starting the game
I still don't understand the Vanille hate at all. Yeah, her VA is pretty blech with a nonsensical accent that comes and goes, but other than that, I don't see it. She's not even all that cutesy or hyper, especially when compared to characters like Selphie and Rikku.
She's just got a stupid voice.
Hope is a far more detestable character (at least until he becomes a vaguely tolerable human being after chapter 7, even though he then acquires Snow's "broken record syndrome").
She's just got a stupid voice.
Hope is a far more detestable character (at least until he becomes a vaguely tolerable human being after chapter 7, even though he then acquires Snow's "broken record syndrome").
Alright, I persisted, I killed it, I'm done with this game.
I have an unusually low amount of questions to ask after seeing this ending, in comparison to the abundance of questions I was eager to think about and ask after the endings of previous FFs.
I'll read over the spoiler tagged shit earlier in the thread, since it'll probably answer some of my questions, but I'll ask anyway too:
Ending Spoilers:
Just as with the actual gameplay, logic and coherence are thrown out of the window in this story to allow for something beautiful to look at. I mean, shit it was poetic and visually astounding, but what the fuck?
What a melodramatic, overhyped joke. I had some fun, and some of the later bosses were cool, but I doubt I'll ever replay this polished turd in the future.
I can easily call this my worst disappointment in gaming in my entire life.
But why does it have to be so fucking pretty?!!!!!!
I have an unusually low amount of questions to ask after seeing this ending, in comparison to the abundance of questions I was eager to think about and ask after the endings of previous FFs.
I'll read over the spoiler tagged shit earlier in the thread, since it'll probably answer some of my questions, but I'll ask anyway too:
Ending Spoilers:
Ok....so their focus was indeed to have one (or more, as the case was) of them to become Ragnarok (how? who knows) and kill Orphan, thereby bringing about the destruction of the Fal'cie and Cocoon, a task unachievable by the Fal'cie alone, and an event that would summon the Maker back into the world (why? I forget)
So...this more or less happens.
1. Where is the Maker? Why wasn't it summoned? And who cares?
2. Where are the remaining Fal'cie? Was Orphan connected to all Cocoon Fal'cie?
3. Why were four party members and Dajh/Serah released from their crystal slumber? They achieved their focus. Snow does return to the party back in Chapter 7 raving about how he's found a way for Serah to 'come back'...how, why, where, when? Is this what happened?
4. I'm assuming Cocoon is more or less...destroyed? I mean, at least uninhabitable? It went through a raging firestorm of Ragnarok, is basically frozen or some shit now....but the people were saved, I guess. Is the 'new world' they were given basically a Fal'cie-less Gran Pulse?
5. Why the fuck don't we get to see any of the aftermath, any of the lives we saved, any of the future events in our party members' lives? The wedding, a reunion of father and son, of sisters, and of an engaged couple? It's over so fast, what the shit.
So...this more or less happens.
1. Where is the Maker? Why wasn't it summoned? And who cares?
2. Where are the remaining Fal'cie? Was Orphan connected to all Cocoon Fal'cie?
3. Why were four party members and Dajh/Serah released from their crystal slumber? They achieved their focus. Snow does return to the party back in Chapter 7 raving about how he's found a way for Serah to 'come back'...how, why, where, when? Is this what happened?
4. I'm assuming Cocoon is more or less...destroyed? I mean, at least uninhabitable? It went through a raging firestorm of Ragnarok, is basically frozen or some shit now....but the people were saved, I guess. Is the 'new world' they were given basically a Fal'cie-less Gran Pulse?
5. Why the fuck don't we get to see any of the aftermath, any of the lives we saved, any of the future events in our party members' lives? The wedding, a reunion of father and son, of sisters, and of an engaged couple? It's over so fast, what the shit.
Just as with the actual gameplay, logic and coherence are thrown out of the window in this story to allow for something beautiful to look at. I mean, shit it was poetic and visually astounding, but what the fuck?
What a melodramatic, overhyped joke. I had some fun, and some of the later bosses were cool, but I doubt I'll ever replay this polished turd in the future.
I can easily call this my worst disappointment in gaming in my entire life.
But why does it have to be so fucking pretty?!!!!!!
Magnus said:
to me
the fal'cie are like abandoned childs that want to find their parent, it's their entire motivation since the very beginning
1) the maker created the worlds for human and left it in the care of fal'cie
he went on to create more worlds for more human/falcie (presumably in vsXIII + agito)
the fal'cie hoped to get his attention with the death of millions of human (since the maker seem to care more for them)
that obviously didn't happen, so he didn't come back (and who's to say he will even if cocoon did get destroy)
2) orphan is what gives power to all the fal'cie in cocoon
that's why we saw cocoon falling once orphan died
4) iirc , ragnorak didn't do anything to cocoon. she destroyed the mobs that was attacking it. the ppl lives on, but now need to face the future without a babysitter. i think gran pulse fal'cie are still there, since they're not tied to orphan.
5) we saw the entire human population on cocoon saved >.> not everything need to be spelled out literally imo. plus, they're probably saving stuffs for a sequel or dlc
the fal'cie are like abandoned childs that want to find their parent, it's their entire motivation since the very beginning
1) the maker created the worlds for human and left it in the care of fal'cie
he went on to create more worlds for more human/falcie (presumably in vsXIII + agito)
the fal'cie hoped to get his attention with the death of millions of human (since the maker seem to care more for them)
that obviously didn't happen, so he didn't come back (and who's to say he will even if cocoon did get destroy)
2) orphan is what gives power to all the fal'cie in cocoon
that's why we saw cocoon falling once orphan died
4) iirc , ragnorak didn't do anything to cocoon. she destroyed the mobs that was attacking it. the ppl lives on, but now need to face the future without a babysitter. i think gran pulse fal'cie are still there, since they're not tied to orphan.
5) we saw the entire human population on cocoon saved >.> not everything need to be spelled out literally imo. plus, they're probably saving stuffs for a sequel or dlc
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