Yeah, it used to be around 90~100 from Western Europe to Montreal.
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In about 6 hours.
Can you say around when we can expect the interview to be published?
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tiggerkiddo
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53 ms in Mile High but I'm also playing on WiFi. Wired and with something better, I will be dealing with numbers below that, I am perfectly okay with that.
No but the implication is there with the whole irony bit; there's no irony in them saying that about EU players getting an even worse situation but there is with those who've they've essentially swapped positions with. If you're just referencing EU and such with that then sure, they're suddenly facing a situation of their ping getting worse but, realistically, they were always facing that with the move anyway. Don't get me wrong, anyone facing unplayable situations should be upset over it, just I'd not take all that information from their ping going up some. Again, barring like 150-200 as that is at a pretty bad point, even with a lot of the leeway in the systems.
Still, I stand by the whole people are making a bigger deal of the raw distance and not the infrastructure changes. The biggest issue most everyone had was the Level 3 node that literally could not handle the load before it which created that bottleneck. The instability there, in either just straight jitter or just outright packet loss, is a far bigger deal than strictly raw latency with regards to how XIV operates. By all means, crucify them if your latency is garbage, your packet loss is through the roof, and it still spikes like crazy; just don't ignore that the raw latency isn't the end all of the situation.
That's where it gets to be the fun part of the speculation. If you just go via the domain (neolobby02.ffxiv.com and neolobby04.ffxiv.com; 06 is EU), that does point to the new IP (204.2.229.9) when it used to point to the old Montreal lobby. So we'll see what happens in a bit as there's explanations in both directions for the location.
Mister_Ruck
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Alright, I did this at home (as well as found what some are saying is the old server in Montreal).
It's gotten worse. Was sub 40 to Montreal, and looks to be 100-130 now to that ip address that's going around.
Yeah I was lower when the servers were in Montreal now I'm close to 130.Hopefully all is gonna be fine but I'm a little worried since I play Ninja and it was already a crap shoot before.
I know the server move talk is what's happening now but, when do I get my PS4 theme for preordering Stormblood? Maybe I missed some information somewhere.
I'm starting to really anticipate getting into Stormblood. The first month or so of going through HW was some of the most fun I've had in a game. Really looking forward to that feel again.
I'm starting to really anticipate getting into Stormblood. The first month or so of going through HW was some of the most fun I've had in a game. Really looking forward to that feel again.
WeaponKnight
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Welp, I had 175ms on a good day to the Montreal servers, and if that 204.2.229.234 gateway is where the servers are then RIP. 305ms.
This actually amazes me that it's that bad. I'm curious what the bottleneck here is since I'm not sure how it's nearly doubling, even if it's got an extra like 30% to go. Do we get to blame Texas? It's probably Texas.
WeaponKnight
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DrForester
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How are you guys checking your new ping?
I never checked mine on the old servers, so probably no point in me doing so now.
I never checked mine on the old servers, so probably no point in me doing so now.
Kwansu Dudes
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Anyone know what the average ETA is for switching SE IDs/Accounts? They've acknowledged that they got my ticket several weeks ago and I'm afraid it won't be on time for Stormblood.
nicoga3000
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When will servers be up??
Midnight PST
Still fully expecting them to online the servers in, like, Florida or something and suddenly everything is ok.
But if the Sacremento hop is accurate I'm getting about 60 ms faster (40-ish from 100-ish.) Triple oGCDing a potion will still probably make me hate life, but maybe I can dream.
No more level 3 wooooo.
But if the Sacremento hop is accurate I'm getting about 60 ms faster (40-ish from 100-ish.) Triple oGCDing a potion will still probably make me hate life, but maybe I can dream.
No more level 3 wooooo.
SE already changed the IP address tied to the server domain but it was still offline so people were checking the second to last node on the route (204.2.229.234).
I just got a response from the actual server (25ms!) though so you can try pinging it instead of the second to last node.
Open a command prompt in windows (windows key + R -> cmd -> enter key) then type:
ping neolobby02.ffxiv.com
Or
ping 204.2.229.234
First one is the server, second one is the second to last node.
Having it on either coast isn't really ideal. And even when it was closer, the connection was still shit sometimes anyways because of the L3.
DrForester
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Thanks. Averaging 53ms.
Yeah, looks like both lobby02 and lobby04 resolve properly now. Holding steady around 60ms for the two.
Honestly?
This was probably the cheapest bid.
Chicago area would be the best, agreed. It's largely that there'd be a lot less reaction if they stayed east since we're just used to it, Europe wouldn't be hit as hard, etc; I mostly just skipped out on anything that said it was extremely latency sensitive and was ok before.
My hope is that the hardware is better and the routing is better and seriously 90% of the NA player base won't realize anything has changed. The situation for people in South America is awful, and they could have done a better job of letting European players know they were going to see a performance hit back when they did the Euro server transfer. But it's a net gain for people in the Pacific, is a gigantic reliability win for the PS4 community that got screwed the hardest by no VPNs, and if they decide to go all in and remove double oGCDs as part of the combat rebalance
They had to leave Montreal; I hope whatever drove them this far west was worth it. I look forward to still being bad at games just with slightly less latency.
Unknown Soldier
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How is anybody certain at this point these domains and IPs point to the new servers?
100ms isn't the worst thing in the world as long as I don't have to run through Level3 or an equivalent. I would rather have a stable 100ms than an unstable 40ms and I lived next to the servers before. However, I suppose it was naive to think Square might select a location that would benefit the most amount of people. It is Square-Enix after all.
Unknown Soldier
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You must have never played WoW, where the player is the NPC and the NPCs are the real stars of the story
Because neolobby02 (Aether), neolobby04 (Primal) were their domains pre-move? Same applied to Chaos (neolobby06) and I don't know how they map out but 01, 03, and 05 are the JP servers (I assume Elemental, Gaia, Mana respectively).
I don't know how NTT compares to Level3 yet but I'm going to run some tracerts all night and see what it looks like. Some old Montreal ones had it trickling up to 2% packet loss over the course of 8 hours with some bad jitter (+/- 20 latency range typically without major spikes). Not running all that long yet but it's starting pretty well (.1% loss atm and I chalk that up to local node issue).
So basically ... I have no idea! D:
Willing to permanently bet my character's race on that not happening.
Matt Attack
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Seems like I'm going from around 60ms to 110ms. I should be able to live with it, although I could live without MCH becoming more annoying to play.
R I P
Unknown Soldier
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Well I mean, when the European servers moved to actual Europe, did they keep the same domains?
When does GAF get to vote on what race Tomat has to become?
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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The real servers are on the moon.
Yes. It resolves to 195.82.50.9 which is the current Chaos datacenter lobby address and it used that same domain prior to the move (albeit under the old Primal/Aether IP addresses of 199.91.189.X).
Yes. It resolves to 195.82.50.9 which is the current Chaos datacenter lobby address and it used that same domain prior to the move (albeit under the old Primal/Aether IP addresses of 199.91.189.X).
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
Huh...so I decided to test the ping again just in case I did something wrong before.
So I ping neolobby02.ffxiv.com and I get an average of 93 ms with a 7% packet loss
I ping 204.2.229.234 and I get average of 79 ms with 0% packet loss
and for comparison's sake I pinged the old server location:
I was unable to ping 199.91.189.93
When I ping 199.91.189.234 I get an average of 44 Ms with 0% packet loss
So just going off the second to last node I got a 35 ms increase with a direct server ping not looking great either.
Yup this server move sucks.
So I ping neolobby02.ffxiv.com and I get an average of 93 ms with a 7% packet loss
I ping 204.2.229.234 and I get average of 79 ms with 0% packet loss
and for comparison's sake I pinged the old server location:
I was unable to ping 199.91.189.93
When I ping 199.91.189.234 I get an average of 44 Ms with 0% packet loss
So just going off the second to last node I got a 35 ms increase with a direct server ping not looking great either.
Yup this server move sucks.
Unknown Soldier
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FWIW, an interesting theory popped up while I was chatting with people in my old raid group.
If you do ping the JP datacenters, it's easy to figure out that they are in Tokyo and hosted by NTT.
Guess where the IP 204.2.229.10 points to? An IP block owned by NTT.
The running theory is that the new servers are in the NTT North American data center located in Sacramento. Squenix is going with NTT for hosting the new NA data center because they have experience with NTT hosting their JP data centers in Tokyo. This is why the servers have moved all the way from one side of North America to another.
edit:
Lucky for me, NTT seems to share backbone connections directly with Comcast. So I am hitting my local Comcast node in Seattle and immediately being handed off to NTT's Seattle backbone and the remainder of the journey of my packets is over NTT. This is great news, no more fucking Level 3!
If you are also on Comcast, you can also do a tracert and check to see if you are also directly handing off from Comcast to NTT. If you are, then guess what, THE WORLD IS YOUR OYSTER AND LEVEL 3 CAN GET FUCKED
If you do ping the JP datacenters, it's easy to figure out that they are in Tokyo and hosted by NTT.
Guess where the IP 204.2.229.10 points to? An IP block owned by NTT.
The running theory is that the new servers are in the NTT North American data center located in Sacramento. Squenix is going with NTT for hosting the new NA data center because they have experience with NTT hosting their JP data centers in Tokyo. This is why the servers have moved all the way from one side of North America to another.
edit:
Lucky for me, NTT seems to share backbone connections directly with Comcast. So I am hitting my local Comcast node in Seattle and immediately being handed off to NTT's Seattle backbone and the remainder of the journey of my packets is over NTT. This is great news, no more fucking Level 3!
If you are also on Comcast, you can also do a tracert and check to see if you are also directly handing off from Comcast to NTT. If you are, then guess what, THE WORLD IS YOUR OYSTER AND LEVEL 3 CAN GET FUCKED
crackbabyjr
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Dibs on making your cat boy for you.
This was literally the whole point of the move for basically everyone. I don't think there's any Level3 routing involved that isn't a local node issue (e.g., I have a shitty TWC/Spectrum node I'm routed through that's indepdent of the server). Everyone should be free of the spectre that is Level3 unless it's their personal hell, in which case I suggest laying down and crying.
GuitarGuruu
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Not sure what I had before this, but getting 98ms now...
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