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Final Fantasy XIV: Heavensward |OT2| RIP Bowmage 2015-2017.
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VanillaCakeIsBurning
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How did you find out?
Looking through the footage:
So Thancred continues to be AFK, only showing up at 5:00, and Ystola doesn't show up again after dramatic face off with the new Garlean JudgeGeneral. That could be concerning.
Still not sure how much I like the quick turnaround on Yda=Lyse thing. Maybe it would change with hearing the dialogue, but she doesn't look to be nearly as aloof/goofy as Yda has been this whole time. A huge personality change.
Also, that new Mithra NPC from 3.5 shows up at 5:12
Still not sure how much I like the quick turnaround on Yda=Lyse thing. Maybe it would change with hearing the dialogue, but she doesn't look to be nearly as aloof/goofy as Yda has been this whole time. A huge personality change.
Also, that new Mithra NPC from 3.5 shows up at 5:12
Have they thought any more about Hall of the Intermediate/Hall of the Expert?
How close to reality is the odd-patch hard content? Is it a priority or likely to be bumped?
You already can solo a decent chunk of Coil, and all of it is beatable with four people unsynced (8 needs 3 people or really good RNG, 9 needs 4 for fire/ice, I'm not too sure what the minimum for 11 is due to vulns, everything else is solo or 2-mannable.) Alexander should function mostly similarly in SB, so you should be covered?
Edit: Steam Physical CE is now up, if you were sad about your Steam copy keeping you from the statue.
How close to reality is the odd-patch hard content? Is it a priority or likely to be bumped?
You already can solo a decent chunk of Coil, and all of it is beatable with four people unsynced (8 needs 3 people or really good RNG, 9 needs 4 for fire/ice, I'm not too sure what the minimum for 11 is due to vulns, everything else is solo or 2-mannable.) Alexander should function mostly similarly in SB, so you should be covered?
Edit: Steam Physical CE is now up, if you were sad about your Steam copy keeping you from the statue.
Forums already have the information on them.
if that's accurate my ping went down 60ms so hohoho
You're using neolobby02.ffxiv.com and neolobby04.ffxiv.com I presume? Cause I'm getting 108 ms (Sacramento) whereas before I was getting 31ms with the old primal server (Montreal).
*sweats*
I'll wait until it's all official, but I might need to rethink my NIN main...
MHWilliams
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The questions are away. Good luck!
Went from 107 ms with large packet loss to 33 ms with no packet loss to the current final destination (The servers are not up yet so the final hops cannot be finalized). At this point I think we need to wait and see. Even if the destination is further-way resulting a longer response time, the game is designed around a fairly high milisecond response, it was the packet loss that was causing me to pull my hair out, when the connection was stable I had no issues with the game while playing even at the higher response time. (Also I mained NIN, I didn't have much issues playing it with that response time either).
Stone Ocean
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How are you guys pinging the alledged new servers?
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Mine went up from 30 to 90ms.
So with this "improvement" my ping went up.
And no butt sliders as compensation?
For shame yoship. And goodbye to NIN.
I guess Europe on NA is coming to an end now too.
I was expecting something like Central NA since that would be a fair distance to everyone but they decided sticking it on the western edge of the US was the better idea.
Ping the IPs listed here.
Stone Ocean
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If the servers are actually in Sacramento, then that's the most idiotic decision Square has ever done since making the servers in Montreal in the first place.
Team Alucard
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Mine changed from 60 to 65.
One of the benefits of living in the Midwest haha.
One of the benefits of living in the Midwest haha.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
I don't know what my ping was for the previous Server but my current ping for the new Server is 42 ms with 0% packet loss so I'm satisfied with that result since I did wanted it to be below 50 ms.
Stone Ocean
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Well, going by some of my tests, I'm getting between 210~300 ms
It's a good thing I haven't bought Stormblood yet because if I get anything above 210 in the actual game I'm done.
It's a good thing I haven't bought Stormblood yet because if I get anything above 210 in the actual game I'm done.
nicoga3000
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Is this the IP to ping? I am getting ~90ms. That seems...Not good.
This is an immensely disappointing song and video comparing it to the Dragonsong video. Man...
UpsideDownAce
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My ping to Sacramento is 68ms, and I'm near Atlanta. Not too bad.
Stone Ocean
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To where? I live in South America, Europe gets me 240 and Japan 300, I have nowhere to go, unplayable ping means game over.
I know for sure I am worried for the some of the EU players in my Guild, this will be the nail in the coffin for them. If they want to play the game comfortably they will definitely have to transfer, it was already uncomfortable enough.
It's rough because I don't want to lose them.
It's rough because I don't want to lose them.
I'm up to somewhere around 4 hours of trace routes for the old servers and the new ones and it's worth noting a few things:
1) Zero Level 3 node routing involved.
2) A tighter grouping on my ping throughout.
3) Lower packet loss.
Final results may vary and all but it's something to keep in mind. A lot of people won't notice raw latency increases due to how much of the game functions anyway. Not to discredit latency matters but there's a lot more to worry over instead of just raw ping, especially when the game isn't testing your reaction speed at that fine of a level. Generally speaking, consistency and packet loss were larger issues for gameplay that most people faced, hence the infamous Level 3 troubles.
Anyway, ~70ms to Montreal to ~60 at the supposed Sacramento location here in Texas (that may or may not be a cow pasture). ~1% packet loss to ~0.4%, and I think much of that can be credited to an issue with a local node I have rather than the routing to the new location.
tracert since the actual servers (neolobby02.ffxiv.com // 204.2.229.9) aren't actually up. Alternatively, you can check the final step before the servers in the routing (204.2.229.234) instead. For what it's worth, I did go to double check pinging that address and did get a request timed out hit, albeit 1/4.
1) Zero Level 3 node routing involved.
2) A tighter grouping on my ping throughout.
3) Lower packet loss.
Final results may vary and all but it's something to keep in mind. A lot of people won't notice raw latency increases due to how much of the game functions anyway. Not to discredit latency matters but there's a lot more to worry over instead of just raw ping, especially when the game isn't testing your reaction speed at that fine of a level. Generally speaking, consistency and packet loss were larger issues for gameplay that most people faced, hence the infamous Level 3 troubles.
Anyway, ~70ms to Montreal to ~60 at the supposed Sacramento location here in Texas (that may or may not be a cow pasture). ~1% packet loss to ~0.4%, and I think much of that can be credited to an issue with a local node I have rather than the routing to the new location.
tracert since the actual servers (neolobby02.ffxiv.com // 204.2.229.9) aren't actually up. Alternatively, you can check the final step before the servers in the routing (204.2.229.234) instead. For what it's worth, I did go to double check pinging that address and did get a request timed out hit, albeit 1/4.
Ah... Have you tried pinging the EU/JP servers to compare?
Well in any case just gotta wait another 9, hours to see how it is.
EDIT: Just saw your edit and yeah that sucks :/ Hopefully it doesn't go that high for you.
For new inductees to the 100ms ping club, I implore you to try some stuff once the servers come back up. There is a level of play at which 100ms will have a noticeable impact on damage, but we're talking upper-percentiles here. Most of the game still functions at 100. You can double oGCD. Once you hit 140-150, that will stop being an option, but part of the goal/hope here is that the routing will be better so you'll get a consistent ping without the Level 3 spikes or dropped packets.
Like, this unreservedly blows for Europe because once you hit 150 it all goes downhill fast. It's less ideal than a more centralized location. But the reaction in some areas seems to be more fear of a bigger number than the actual impact, and the impact of more stable and better routing may counterbalance some of it.
But yeah, if it pushes you over 150 life is garbage.
Like, this unreservedly blows for Europe because once you hit 150 it all goes downhill fast. It's less ideal than a more centralized location. But the reaction in some areas seems to be more fear of a bigger number than the actual impact, and the impact of more stable and better routing may counterbalance some of it.
But yeah, if it pushes you over 150 life is garbage.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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This reeks of them not know what they're doing in NA.
Reminds me of when they only added stuff for dealing with bots when yoship experienced them himself or the stuff about how "there's no problems with mudras" stuff that went on for a long while.
People who end up getting unplayable pings should rightfully rake them over the coals for this because it was marketed as an improvement which is an outright lie if it forces some people to quit the game.
Reminds me of when they only added stuff for dealing with bots when yoship experienced them himself or the stuff about how "there's no problems with mudras" stuff that went on for a long while.
People who end up getting unplayable pings should rightfully rake them over the coals for this because it was marketed as an improvement which is an outright lie if it forces some people to quit the game.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
It sucks that a certain percentage of players are going to be negatively affected by this server and moving the server from one end of the coast to the other end wasn't the best idea in my opinion.
Ideally they should have moved the server somewhere in the Central Time Zone such as the Microsoft Data Center in Iowa or Lakeside Technology Centre here in Chicago but nope here we are with a West coast server.
Ideally they should have moved the server somewhere in the Central Time Zone such as the Microsoft Data Center in Iowa or Lakeside Technology Centre here in Chicago but nope here we are with a West coast server.
What do you define as unplayable?
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Imagine putting thousands of hours into your account, only to get done in by a dumb fuck decision.
Based on this thread
anything over 30
Snark aside, I'd suggest people to wait to actually see what it's like in game. A lot of skill queuing and tolerances built in to systems (aka, what allows for slide casting) still do exist after all.
Stone Ocean
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by casually i mean you can still do raid but you're not chasing fflog numbers
Gold_Loot
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That's not bad at all for this game.
Stone Ocean
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I really don't find much fun in raiding if I'm not trying for at least blue numbers lol
Though it seems reddit is saying something about Sacramento not being actually confirmed since depending on where you tracert the addresses from it gives you a different location? Maybe there's hope this game isn't run by dumbasses.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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Looking around on the reddit the irony of west coasters telling people to stfu is palpable.
You can go to speedtest.net and ping Montreal after the initial test.
Apparently there's a few locations being thrown around. Won't know 100% sure until the servers come back up.
You can go to speedtest.net and ping Montreal after the initial test.
Apparently there's a few locations being thrown around. Won't know 100% sure until the servers come back up.
Because a lot of people are blowing it out of proportion in terms of playability. Alternatively, somehow the game is now unplayable for east coast but was serviceable for west coast in the reverse situation (with presumably worse hardware and worse routing).
I'm in Texas so I don't really change much either way, albeit an actual centralized server would benefit me more. Still, the improved routing and infrastructure is a larger concern than raw mileage in terms of playability here.
This ... is not really a good test of the ping? Running speedtest to check I get around ~50 ping, some 20 lower than what I average to the actual server.
For those who want to check the old server, Primal used to be 199.91.189.93 (or 199.91.189.234 for the last node prior to the server) and Aether is 199.91.189.74 (same prior node).
It's not that big a deal. Like, it's not nothing, but the game is still completely playable.
Unless I've been playing an unplayable game from the west coast this whole time.
Relaxed Muscle
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You guys should just wait until you boot up the game and play it so you can get a real test of how it feels.
It might be that to practical effects you barely get any real difference.
It might be that to practical effects you barely get any real difference.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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What's playable and what's not is relative to the individual. Some people think playing at 15fps at 800x600 is fine while others are not.
Some people are not comfortable playing the game at 150-200+ levels of ping. Which is why my post did not even include that specific sequence of words "east coast" at all. I specifically targeted people who are being moved into a range they are not comfortable playing at.
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