Ha ha. Ah okay that would be it then. I guess it must be on my retainer. That's pretty confusing that they're so similar. Been a while since I looked at this...
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Final Fantasy XIV: Stormblood |OT| Y'all Need to Calm Down
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Ha ha. Ah okay that would be it then. I guess it must be on my retainer. That's pretty confusing that they're so similar. Been a while since I looked at this...
I don't know how the hell did y'all clear Susano Ex. Everything's fine until it's health is at <50%, then people start fucking uppp
the hardest part of the fight is finding 7 other people who don't drop lightning on the party
Abstrusity
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RDM at 67. I don't like pvp so I've been leveling it through dungeons with only a 10 minute queue.
...I miss my rested bonus Probably gonna level MNK next to make sure I get rid of all this striking gear.
...I miss my rested bonus
Probably gonna level MNK next to make sure I get rid of all this striking gear.Stone Ocean
Member
You don't even need that, as long as they're not back to back healers can top people off
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
The biggest problem/adjustment for in Susano overall was realizing the guy who screws up Levinbolt lightning is usually not the guy who's going to die. The issue is usually the double-tap, and the guy who gets the next marker is going to bite it even if he dodges correctly unless he gets healed before. This is extra bad if it's a healer getting hit the second time, since a lot of times the other healer won't be prepared to handle solo healing Ukehi or whatever.
During some of the later patterns, targeting the right person before the second zap can get awkward, so once I see the party get hit the first time I just start AOE overhealing until I'm sure everyone's out of danger. That way if the next guy screws up too I'm already mid-cast to cover it.
There are still people you can't save--people who get punted across the map with the stack marker and churn, people who stand in the Rasen things, whatever--but seriously if the healers just expect everyone to screw up constantly it becomes a lot more manageable.
I finally got around to doing Susano with a like... actual premade group for the first time yesterday and learned you can actually skip stuff in P1? I thought it was all timed.
Yeah, it pushes into sword phase at 79%, like Nidhogg phases into adds at 79. Not like there's actually anything threatening in the first phase, he just does pushback+stack, introduces you to churning and baiting the lightning cloud.
Stone Ocean
Member
Nope, you can force P2 at 7something%, skipping the last tank buster
TBH I think if I go in with a premade again I want to see if we can get away with ignoring churn. It's never fatal, it's just the short window to heal back up before stack. But if it's planned, might be able to work around it? I dunno. Seems worth trying.
Yeah, we found that out last night when he finished the second Brightstorm animation, disappeared, and everyone started raging about lost procs/cooldowns/etc.
Yeah, we found that out last night when he finished the second Brightstorm animation, disappeared, and everyone started raging about lost procs/cooldowns/etc.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
Member
The worst thing in susano ex is when you play as rdm and nobody heals you on stack and churning mechanic. It happened a few times today... so infuriating.
Stone Ocean
Member
You can completely ignore churn in P1 if your healers are up to speed
Yeah, I'm mostly curious about the rasen + churn + rasen and churn+knockback in final phase. Seems doable, but also maybe a thing to sit on Lightspeed and Largesse for.
P1 I kind of suspect you could literally ignore everything; I think the entire pre-sword phase is sub-15-GCDs of healing from both healers combined.
Stone Ocean
Member
Sub 15? I think I need like 5 heal casts tops
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
nvm, just found it
For real. I avoided messing up and some greedy dude needs to give that final hit before stepping away and kill us all -.-
Has there been a GAF run for this? Halp.
djcatskratch
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Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
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Churn is incredibly hard to ignore if he knocks you back for the stack mechanic. I use corps a corps and then I feel like i'm okay but incompetent healers always get me killed. I can try swiftcasting vercure but i'm not sure if it will heal in time before I die.
If you're doing the churn+knockback right (take it to the wall next to Susan so you move all of 5 feet and can walk back post-churn-falling-off for the stack), you don't take damage from anything aside from the stack part and so don't need a heal.
You definitely don't want to voluntarily eat churn without checking with the healers first, since they have no reason to be prepared to heal somebody through it in a random PF, and if the party is going to eat churn for max DPS the short knock back is more important than ever to keep you in AOE healing range.
Stone Ocean
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It's kind of amazing how 90% of my DPSs always forget about that Chancla-powered Stortham in the tail end of the Lakshmi fight
She's burning with fuming dark flames people. Vrill the fuck up for every mechanic she does.
She's burning with fuming dark flames people. Vrill the fuck up for every mechanic she does.
Flashes start to hypnotize them and they zone our?
... we clear and then all of a sudden everyone stops moving with the lightning bolt
on the bright side, thank you for whoever designed susano for letting me keep BOTD 100% of the time. the only time where there's kind of a danger of it falling off is if you get gaoled, but you don't need to manually pop BOTD at any point after Susano comes back from the sword phase
on the bright side, thank you for whoever designed susano for letting me keep BOTD 100% of the time. the only time where there's kind of a danger of it falling off is if you get gaoled, but you don't need to manually pop BOTD at any point after Susano comes back from the sword phase
TheMrPliskin
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Camping for Ixion is a huge waste of time and yet I've spent like 15 hours doing it the past couple of days. I'm not entirely sure why I keep doing it considering I don't even like the mount that much.
MikeBison
Member
Tbf if you're healing, then you're further away. Being in melee range, all the aoes, plus her colour, plus those huge gold blasts, plus everyone else up in your grill, plus keeping an eye on your rotations, plus forgetfullness and it's easily done. Healing means you've got a better perspective over the fight.
Still, once its happened once you should know it's coming.
I appreciate healers who macro a vril vril vril!!' Shout when she's casting it ha. Saved me from the time I nearly forgot until the last second.
Also I think it's because you don't have to VRIL that move up until the last phase and everyone is in maximum deeps mode.
MikeBison
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Same. The other night I spent like 10 hours as I was sure it was coming, but nope. I work 6 days a week so just need to accept I'll never have it.
Similarly, 12 clears of lakshmi and not even seen a doggo, let alone rolled high enough for one.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
8 hours to get one Susano clear yesterday and nothing, two one shots on Lakshmi with two accessories today
Lol
Lol
SliceSabre
Banned
In my Susano ex runs the wipes most happen for these reasons:
DPS is too busy getting MAX DEEPS and gets everyone lightning bolted, then the next dps half derps and gets everyone lightning bolted. At this point one of the healers die putting an incredible amount of stress on the surviving healer that must ensure everyone stays alive during Ukehis and the incoming tank buster. As someone who only plays healer this is the worst fucking thing.
Thunder cloud appears exactly in front of Susano or directly behind confusing the targeted person and causing them to line up the lighting bolt exactly in the safe zone.
Tanks being slow on the uptake during the sword block and the raid gets hit by an orb and a healer is always the one to die as a result.
Off tank gets killed during the tank buster cleave. I have no idea how exactly they manage this but I've seen it happen quite a bit.
DPS is too busy getting MAX DEEPS and gets everyone lightning bolted, then the next dps half derps and gets everyone lightning bolted. At this point one of the healers die putting an incredible amount of stress on the surviving healer that must ensure everyone stays alive during Ukehis and the incoming tank buster. As someone who only plays healer this is the worst fucking thing.
Thunder cloud appears exactly in front of Susano or directly behind confusing the targeted person and causing them to line up the lighting bolt exactly in the safe zone.
Tanks being slow on the uptake during the sword block and the raid gets hit by an orb and a healer is always the one to die as a result.
Off tank gets killed during the tank buster cleave. I have no idea how exactly they manage this but I've seen it happen quite a bit.
Won't be so fun when you've tried it a hundred times!
jk it's a fun fight, just frustrating to die when someone fucks it up and you've been fine ;-;
Stone Ocean
Member
I've started doing that once I saw some tanks using macros, heh. Plus I get to use my favourite bongo sfx so its a win win!
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Yep, sounds like my yesterday.
Also had healers who thought they were supposed to help absorb the balls, a main tank who had trouble keeping hate from me (ninja lol), and people standing on the gap
It's definitely on the easy side of the primals but I actually really enjoy it compared to Lakshmi.
Alex
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The tuning reminds me of the earlier ARR EX Primals, which I still think were the best ones. I think it is well adjusted for the type of content it is. Has a nice rhythm, good level of challenge and tension for repeatable pug content. A bit harder than Leviathan EX but with the same type of urge to repeat run, which I think is a good place to be.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
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Levi EX is way harder than Susano ex.
adversarial
Member
I have been loving my time with this game, but some of the design decisions leave me wondering: What the fuck?
I just found out you can't send /tell's to anyone or even open your friend's list while in a Duty Finder. What possible motive could there be for this? I heard that you're transported to another server when you're in the dungeon. Is this a technology limitation?
Also, it seems there isn't really a 'competetive' raiding scene for end-game, is this correct? I have been loving tanking the new content and I'm wondering if I'll be joining random GAF groups or PF'ing til the end of time, or if there are usually plenty of static groups for hardcore raiding.
I'm probably sounding like a broken record at this point, and I apologize for that, but the absence of any way to determine how DPS / Healing / Tanking is doing throughout the course of a fight is troubling, as someone who raided and analyzed logs to better raid lead. For those of you in a static group for hardcore raiding (Savage I guess?), how did you pick your DPS / Heals / Tanks? Did you just invite friends and assume they knew what they were doing based on deaths / not dying / attempts? Genuinely curious as raiding with a good, consistent group is the only thing that appeals to me.
I probably should have figured this out before shelling out $$, in retrospect.
I just found out you can't send /tell's to anyone or even open your friend's list while in a Duty Finder. What possible motive could there be for this? I heard that you're transported to another server when you're in the dungeon. Is this a technology limitation?
Also, it seems there isn't really a 'competetive' raiding scene for end-game, is this correct? I have been loving tanking the new content and I'm wondering if I'll be joining random GAF groups or PF'ing til the end of time, or if there are usually plenty of static groups for hardcore raiding.
I'm probably sounding like a broken record at this point, and I apologize for that, but the absence of any way to determine how DPS / Healing / Tanking is doing throughout the course of a fight is troubling, as someone who raided and analyzed logs to better raid lead. For those of you in a static group for hardcore raiding (Savage I guess?), how did you pick your DPS / Heals / Tanks? Did you just invite friends and assume they knew what they were doing based on deaths / not dying / attempts? Genuinely curious as raiding with a good, consistent group is the only thing that appeals to me.
I probably should have figured this out before shelling out $$, in retrospect.
Game is built to try and prevent as much toxicity as possible and to cater to more casual play styles. As such it tries to hammer down the aspects that would be reflective of the nails of the gaming community, being those who are maximizers.
From a neutral viewpoint it seems that out side of party finder it seems there attempts to do this are actually be effective to an extent. Very rarely do I see people complaining unless people are clearly terrible. On my server its most deffinitely casual with no one bothering anyone who isn't 100% optimal and simply gets the job done well enough.
DalikSkywing
Member
Got weapon, surplus 10 token and mount from susano, good riddance.
check your journal to see where you got up to - the next is usually in the same place. Around that level, the game takes you on 'world tour' of the three main cities and first three dungeons.
If you ever find youself locked out of the MSQ by level requirement, remember to keep on top of your Hunting Log (levels 1-50), take advantage of daily Duty Finder bonuses, or even do a few FATES.
adversarial
Member
Yeah, super nice community. Only had a few people in dungeons who were jerks.
All this Susano Ex talk, I feel your pain. After what seemed like ages I was finally able to get the remainder of clears needed to buy my SCH book. Its always annoying to see that one guy throwing off the whole fight and people leaving after 1 or 2 wipes making the group fall appart.
Yep. Wonder if this is what being a healer is like. Watching that one guy sit there with the purple marker and being able to do nothing but angrily stare
It feels exactly like that, then you still get blamed.