It's only really required for players tackling high end content. You'll perform better for doing it, but the delta isn't massive.
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It's only really required for players tackling high end content. You'll perform better for doing it, but the delta isn't massive.
The takeaway currently seems to be don't bother with Crit at all for a long-ass time.
Until you can hit ~2800 crit, DHit is better.
From ~2400 to ~2800, Crit beats out Det, BUT that has to be ~2400 to ~2800 after you've already maxed out DHit, since any Crit meld you make over a Dhit option would be wasted damage.
Basically unless somebody blows this guy's math up, your priority for the foreseeable future is DHit -> Det - > Crit. Skillspeed goes somewhere, but I'm not sure where.
Just to add on to things, you get around 3194 total secondaries @i320 right now. That's at most +1880-ish in a single stat, though I don't think any gearset is actually secondary capped so please be excited.
If you could meld Mind, we totally would. It's just that it's naturally capped out on all the slots anyway so it's a wasted materia option. Most the min/max details are pretty minor (though, DHit vs CHit for DPS is actually a pretty large gap; DHit's that good) so melding is mostly just getting the most out of things. From a healer perspective, you can largely justify any somehow? Det seems to be outright better than Spell Speed for DoT/HoT effectiveness so you'll mostly be deciding between better raw output (Det) and better MP/Regen (Piety) probably. Healer secondaries have historically been a giant question mark, tbh.
If you could meld Mind, we totally would. It's just that it's naturally capped out on all the slots anyway so it's a wasted materia option. Most the min/max details are pretty minor (though, DHit vs CHit for DPS is actually a pretty large gap; DHit's that good) so melding is mostly just getting the most out of things. From a healer perspective, you can largely justify any somehow? Det seems to be outright better than Spell Speed for DoT/HoT effectiveness so you'll mostly be deciding between better raw output (Det) and better MP/Regen (Piety) probably. Healer secondaries have historically been a giant question mark, tbh.
Pyros_Eien
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When you open the meld menu, say at the materia melder npc if you don't have crafting, it'll tell you what you can meld. Generally speaking, whatever is on the item can't be melded or is heavily capped. That's cause of the stars weight formula, where each stat has a maximum amount per ilvl, and if the stat is directly on the item, if it's primary it's capped and if it's secondary it's close to cap. So you can't meld mind on pretty much any mind gear, making mind/int/dex materias pretty worthless in general. They've been used in the past on vit crafted accessories to reach certain hp treshold for hard content but who knows if that'll be the case ever again.
I think I'd probably meld det, and if you can't meld det, crit or possibly piety for learning content. DH is better for damage but also doesn't do anything for heals which seems kinda meh as a choice. For SCH, crit over det probably since you still want these crit adlos.
As for stacking Dhit, everyone's been saying that for a little while from what I've seen. Not a big surprise, I think the surprise is more that det is better than crit currently. Maybe next tier it won't be.
theechrisfox
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So which of the two extremes is easier? I'm thinking of doing a long solo queue but I want to maximize the likelihood of winning without quitters jumping ship.
Stone Ocean
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Lakshmi is the easier one by far IMO
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
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Both are ridiculously easy. But I think it is better to start with Lakshmi since that's easier, imo.
LordKasual
Banned
thats essentially what FATEs are
Original poster did not indicate it was a PLD.
To my knowledge you still have to actually pick up job quest and do them to upgrade your class to job. Given the general stupidity of humanity, I wouldn't put it past players to not know to do that.
I think it was likely a bad tank, however as a player knowing that there are bad players out there, as a healer I'm always adjusting lol You learn what you need to do to keep things together.
EMAGANCY KOD: DWOL
There's a distinct lack of announcers screaming shit at you between fates tbh.
Lakshmi is way easier for sure. Susano isn't bad, but the amount of people I've seen line up the cloud with the safe zone is pretty amazing. I had one group where 3 people got hit by the first churning, then dropped the line like that, noped out of there so fast.
Stone Ocean
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Yeah. Lakshmi requires little coordination besides add phase, the only times a party member can get someone killed is if the OT fucks up with the aggro table during Chanchala and if people go near the healers during Divine Doubt.
It's basically just a big solo dance which is ironically fitting.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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I'm talking about the stuff like the various Dark Falz bosses that show up that can only be fought during the window where the announcer is yelling at you.
JoeyJungle
Banned
That's kind of what hunts are? No announcer screaming stuff but otherwise pretty similar imo.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Dark Falz bosses aren't like hunts.
The closest analogue to them in this game would be a trial.
zelhawks37
Member
I forgot to mention that the music in this game is surprisingly great. Cant wait to hear more as I continue. 
royox
Member
I forgot to mention that the music in this game is surprisingly great. Cant wait to hear more as I continue.
YOU
HAVEN'T
HEARD
ANYTHING
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I forgot to mention that the music in this game is surprisingly great. Cant wait to hear more as I continue.
One of the best OSTs in gaming
outlawauron
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I think you're minimizing the fact that you also have to get to a high DHit threshold to get meaningful benefits vs Crit. For now as PLD, I'll keep going Crit -> DHit -> Det -> Ten/SS.
While Tenacity isn't great, it's not as bad as some thought.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
It's near braindead tier easy, just need to know when to use vril and you win pretty much
I forgot to mention that the music in this game is surprisingly great. Cant wait to hear more as I continue.
Yes, I usually turn the game music off in MMOs or stuff like Diablo where I just listen to my own music, but not FFXIV, I blast it loud.
As a DPS at least, you basically just use vril if she has chanchalla up and you don't have vril up. It lasts like 45 seconds? Long enough to get you to the next mechanic whenever you pop it anyways.
royox
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Every time she turns Super Saiyan Black.
I'm not minimizing it, because that's the opposite of how these two secondaries scale.--You need to stack Crit to start getting meaningful benefits, and the breakpoints listed are the current estimates of how much Crit you need to stack to make it worth melding any. Crit will get more valuable as the expansion continues, but currently at the start it is the least valuable. Crit got an actual flat nerf in SB; it's down to 40% damage boost from the 45% it was at in HW, so you have to stack a bunch of Crit before you get back to where 0 additional Crit was in HW. They've kicked the 'worth it' can for Crit down the road.
DHit is linear. Stacking it doesn't do anything meaningful, and adding 40 DHit at 3,000 DHit is the exact same 1% DHit chance adding 40 DHit at 0 DHit is. It will get worse over the course of the expansion as Crit crosses thresholds and its gains overtake, but the entire point is that right now when secondary budgets are at their most limited, DHit is more valuable. As we progress down the road, if secondary inflation is high, Crit will eventually overtake it. But currently it's literally impossible to stack enough Crit to overtake DHit's linear scaling.
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
I know you guys love it, but I find pretty much all of the super intense trial songs with vocals almost unbearably silly
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
Damm you for continuing to bring up the Phantasy Star Online comparisons it just makes me salty that 5 year later after the "official announcement" we never got PSO2.
But yeah I wouldn't mind it if Square can implement limited window/time Trial into FFXIV something akin too the Emergency Quest of Dark Falz Loser. Heck they can make it so that a player must first complete a very hard dungeon and at the end of the dungeon you get a token if so.e kind and when the Limited Trials opens up you use a Token to enter the Trial.
Nonsense, Oblivion is the best song in the game.
Zomba13
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Get out.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Looks like I might go full Dhit on my SCH
or at least crit> dhit
Dhit is too good to pass at 40=1%
or at least crit> dhit
Dhit is too good to pass at 40=1%
Been waiting for the perfect time to use this gif I made, and it seems like that time is now:
Contains spoilers for the BSM 4.0 quests
http://imgur.com/a/nyf3k
Which is why Great King Moggle Mog remains the best the song.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Now that I think about it Emergency Quests are similar to hunts only in that they appear at random (for people who aren't trying to trigger them intentionally at least).
Hunts are just beating up slightly larger normal mobs that die really fast. EQs are like trials in that you get in a group and go to an instanced area to fight them. Some of them are pretty big/difficult.
Some random ones.
Dark Falz Double/Profound Darkness
Falz Mother
Phantom God of Creation
I've played the JP version for a bit. I haven't played it in a long while though. The game is good and would have been great to play with more English players. They just need more things to break up the monotony. I liked EQs in PSO2 which is why I mentioned them here.
Timed content seems to be something that people enjoy in some capacity at least. I don't particularly mind doing hunts and it gives you an excuse to go to locations in the world that you otherwise wouldn't have any reason to go to.
Having some cool timed trials would be neat as I can imagine there would be a rush to do them as soon as they pop up provided they are implemented well.
Hunts are just beating up slightly larger normal mobs that die really fast. EQs are like trials in that you get in a group and go to an instanced area to fight them. Some of them are pretty big/difficult.
Some random ones.
Dark Falz Double/Profound Darkness
Falz Mother
Phantom God of Creation
I've played the JP version for a bit. I haven't played it in a long while though. The game is good and would have been great to play with more English players. They just need more things to break up the monotony. I liked EQs in PSO2 which is why I mentioned them here.
Timed content seems to be something that people enjoy in some capacity at least. I don't particularly mind doing hunts and it gives you an excuse to go to locations in the world that you otherwise wouldn't have any reason to go to.
Having some cool timed trials would be neat as I can imagine there would be a rush to do them as soon as they pop up provided they are implemented well.
Stone Ocean
Member
Dervy and Nemekh are posting in that reddit thread, seems like those conclusions are not final.
Tenacity might actually not be trash!
Tenacity might actually not be trash!
Stone Ocean
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MikeBison
Member
I am sorry. You'll note in the chat I was still saying my GGs and hadn't even realise a doggo had dropped.
Be warned, they make a sad yelp when you dismount that will bring a tear to your eye.
I know this because reasons.
creid
Member
You gotta port in beforehand like the
LowParry
Member
What should bards be melding anyway? I'm still new to them but love the living hell out of the job. I'm still maining SCH though if by chance, if our static group loses a bard, I'm taking that spot hard.
Stone Ocean
Member
All the crit you can get