Ragingnight
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how is swiftcast a dps increase? And what fight so far would require swiftcast for mobility? And I didn't know not expecting ppl to die left and right was a hyper specialized group.
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Final Fantasy XIV: Stormblood |OT| Y'all Need to Calm Down
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how is swiftcast a dps increase? And what fight so far would require swiftcast for mobility? And I didn't know not expecting ppl to die left and right was a hyper specialized group.
Squall ASF
Member
How convenient, I logged out last night in Idyllshire. Will fire up the game within the next hour or so. So Idyllshire has better gear than Ishgard? Not sure if I've done ARF yet, I'm up to the first 59 quest but don't think that sounds familiar. Regardless, I'll start racking them up again just by doing the daily roulette. I just need to quite being wasteful ha Also thanks for mentioning that I need it for 3.x dungeons because otherwise I'd be wondering if I should just suck it up until SB as that is likely better and also will better fit my job class of SAM for aesthetics. I'll just have to upgrade again, eventually
Thanks a lot, guys!Your hypothetical group demands tank and healer DPS, but then also (here is the specialization) restricts healers from using Swiftcast for anything other than Rez (I don't know how to answer a question that seems to ignore how essentially every healer uses Swiftcast, the benefits of not clipping your GCD, and like... the entire concept of ease of keeping your GCD rolling regardless of mechanics given we're discussing a PUG where you may encounter people who handle a bait mechanic differently, or whatever) more to the point, you're assuming infrequent deaths but then also expecting healers to operate like it's a learning party where death lurks around every corner because reasons.
Your post would be internally consistent except for the bizarre assumption that healers going for kill efficiency sit on swiftcast. They don't. That's silly and tilts your proposed group out of one that makes sense for a specific purpose to one that follows arbitrary rules.
Back when I still healed stuff, I used Swiftcast for Medica II/A.Helios/the occasional nuke while running and very rarely sat on it for a long period of time in any context where I didn't expect people to die. Expecting your healers to sit on SC in case shit hits the fan in a controlled environment is the equivalent of expecting them to sit on Tetra/Dignity for emergencies. Optimizing is optimizing, and it goes for every role in the game.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Any farm party that doesn't have a clear lock and IL limit set gets an instant nope
as someone who had susano on farm at ilvl 300 it was very frustrating to see parties demanding 305/310
Ragingnight
Member
why do you need an ilvl lock?
And I concede on the swiftcast statement. I should have known better since I have healed savage creator prior to echo. But regardless not expecting deaths should be the norm in a farm party. Expecting rdm to res is just plain silly in that context.
I've had to chuckle at a couple groups asking 315. That has to be like, full 320 right side, Susano wep and another 320 left side or something?
If I'm not raiding with a full FC party (that's actually a raiding FC) I'm just going to expect everyone to be terrible until proven otherwise.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
I think 300 is fine but if you really are trying to farm speedy clears are part of that, which are generally helped along by having better gear. Obviously skill and focus are equally important but the more powerful the better right?
There's always that one guy: the guy who's gear and or skill are just not there but they got carried on their first clear. I had a couple Susano/Lakshmi parties where someone didn't even have their 70 job quest gear, let alone ex dungeon gear or tome gear.
My playtime during the week is pretty limited so I prefer to join/start farm parties where things will generally go faster.
Ragingnight
Member
300 is min requirement if you DF it so thats fine. Expecting 315 is straight up silly.
You guys are all on primal right? heard primal DC is worse overall compared to Aether in terms of PF and stuff
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
I've never seen 315 lol. 305's pretty common on my server for farm parties
zelhawks37
Member
Question for you all. Is it worth it to finish quest A Relic Reborn for a Monk to get the Sphairai (monk weapon)? Someone is selling the necessary item to complete the quest for 200k.....
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
at this point, only if you want it for aesthetic purposes. You can buy a decent LV50 weapon from Ishgard NPC stores.
Ragingnight
Member
I've even seen 316 which is straight up stupid.
DrForester
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Relic and Anima are only glam items at this point.
Fully completed Anima weapon may let you skip first stage of whatever special weapon we're getting in SB, but it's unlikely it would be worth starting from scratch on an Anima just to skip 1 stage.
Just did my first raid dungeon (one of the help things said raid so I thought it was that for a bit) and even though it's a small, mandatory story one I HAD A BLAST!! I feel like I played my role pretty well, and I got 3 commendations at the end. I feel like that's probably not a big deal because it's probably a courtesy thing to give one, but it made me really happy.
Also, is there any point to doing the low level quests in the other 2 starting regions? I'm level 19, and I got to Gredania and did a couple before realizing I was getting 100xp and there was probably no point.
Also, is there any point to doing the low level quests in the other 2 starting regions? I'm level 19, and I got to Gredania and did a couple before realizing I was getting 100xp and there was probably no point.
hosannainexcelsis
Member
Unless you enjoy the sidequests in themselves, there's no real reason to do them just for the paltry experience.
zelhawks37
Member
ah alright. I figured the relic items were well outdated, but just had to be sure. Didnt want to waste money and or time to upgrade them if I didnt have to. Thanks to you both!
(MST3K is awesome btw)
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
Member
I find myself swiftcasting helios or aspected helios a lot just to save time. It's incredibly useful.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
More taint cleansing?
Primal yea, though I'm on Lamia, not Ultros.
Question: I bought this game on steam fucking ages ago, and I i played a hell out of it, and it was amazing. But I dont have access anymore to the email I used to make my Square Enix account. I tried sendind a email for support with my steam login info, along with my cd key and keycard proof of purchase, and they refused to change the email adress.
Am I shit out of luck, Gaf? I cant even buy another base game because steam says I already own it.
Am I shit out of luck, Gaf? I cant even buy another base game because steam says I already own it.
royox
Member
You know you LOVE Heavensward if every time a HW character has screentime you smile like when you see an old friend you have not seen in a long time on the street.
Also Stone and Steel is SO DAMN.GOOD.
I wish the same happens me in the future with SB characters and music but my gosh HW was overall so good I don't think they can top it.
I think you have to mail in a form with a copy of your state ID to get them to change it.
http://support.na.square-enix.com/f...=1&ret=faq&pv=10&page=0&c=0&sc=0&so=4&q=Email
Ragingnight
Member
wooot got 99 percentile for brd on laquisha ex in a PF lootmaster farm party LOL. I wasn't expecting that especially with only 12% aoe balance uptime.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
So Ixion popped just one minute into deltascape. I feel that for me to get that fucking mount I have to dedicate myself like 100% of my time to that.
Fuck that, I'd rather level up stuff and shit.
Fuck that, I'd rather level up stuff and shit.
I camped it for hours and hours the other day because there was only 12 hours till the window closed. Got to him before it was even pulled with a full dps party + tank. No one died, but we still got silver because of huge lag.
Ixion is a complete joke.
Gamer @ Heart
Member
I say this every time I see people bitching
You have 2 years until the next expac to get that ugly mount
Chill
SuperStiltzkin
Member
So as a tank for Lakshmi EX, do I just vril everything that is aimed at me with a cast meter during Chanchalla mode?
Yes. Whether that be as MT or OT, as long as an ability will hit you (directly or shared with the group), use a vrill.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
In my case is not like I was camping it for hours, I was just there in the lochs just in case while waiting for queues.
Is just the realization that I need to much investment of time to get a stupid mount. Which is cool but I'd rather spent my time doing something else.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Ok just saw a 315 for Lak EX lmao
And forced greed to boot
And forced greed to boot
Stone Ocean
Member
I burn Swiftcast constantly on both Susano and Lakshmi to get more damage in.
Thunder marker on me? Swiftcast Stone 4/Aero 3 while going to the other side. Knocked back? Swiftcast Stone 4 while running back. Puddles? Swiftcast. Party crossing? Swiftcast. Vrill knockback/pushback that will eat a cast? Swiftcast. Divine doubt? Swiftcast Medica 2 while I move to my spot so I can keep Dpsing before it starts casting. Hand of grace? Swiftcast. Want to get greedy and avoid precasting for Stotram? Swiftcast.
As you said, its a farm party and a farm party where I need to be ressing people is not one I want to be in. I'm not gonna sit on swiftcast outside of prog and even in prog I might need it for other shit.
SliceSabre
Banned
I have a habit of saving swiftcast because I main AST and we have lightspeed to burn for faster spells so why burn swiftcast?
I also do not fucking trust people.
I also do not fucking trust people.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Jagsgs
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Same, because I don't know what to do, should I pop up Hallowed ground? Do I need to pop more CD's?
One time the healer told ne that I should have used HG. And I was like: How I supose to know when you're cutting it close or when you are to busy DPSing?
SoundPulse
Banned
How convenient, I logged out last night in Idyllshire. Will fire up the game within the next hour or so. So Idyllshire has better gear than Ishgard? Not sure if I've done ARF yet, I'm up to the first 59 quest but don't think that sounds familiar. Regardless, I'll start racking them up again just by doing the daily roulette. I just need to quite being wasteful ha Also thanks for mentioning that I need it for 3.x dungeons because otherwise I'd be wondering if I should just suck it up until SB as that is likely better and also will better fit my job class of SAM for aesthetics. I'll just have to upgrade again, eventually
ARF is the last dungeon in 3.0 so you should be hitting it really soon. It was the one everyone farmed tomestones in ("ARF 'till you barf") because it gave a flat 150 tomestones of Lore back in the day before the bonus. It was also a fairly quick and consistent dungeon to speedrun if you had the right comp.
But yeah, as a SAM, you'll be ditching it by the time you hit the level 63 dungeon in Stormblood, so I wouldn't go super out of my way to get all of the Shire gear. It surely isn't worth the trouble of augmenting it now, haha. That said, it is pretty essential that you have good gear for the level 60 SAM quest, as the boss will wreck you without it, but even just the left side will suffice for that.
Xion_Stellar
People should stop referencing data that makes me feel uncomfortable because games get ported to platforms I don't like
I actually do this alot whenever I play with my IRL friends because we mess with each other alot while we group up.
I even made a game out of it and I call it Healer Limbo! The point of the game is to see how low we can allow the Tank HP to drop before I heal him so how low can you go!!! My highest score so far? I have let my friend playing as a Paladin drop down to 14 HP before he received a Heal.
There's a pretty straightforward reason why lightspeed is situational:
This will hopefully change in Savage, but Lightspeed kind of sucks for use in any fight in-game right now because you're never going to need ten seconds of uninterrupted heal spam. Popping lightspeed is usually getting out two or three free instant healing casts and then being sad about your nerfed damage for the rest of the buff since you're back to nothing to do but malefic.
TBH I mostly use it when panicking or if I need to hard rez because shaving 2.5 seconds off a hard rez can mean sneaking it in in between other mechanics that usually prevent it. For general movement utility swift is less annoying.
SliceSabre
Banned
Its 25% reduction in attack magic potency 50%, but yea your point still remains. I still prefer it because it is reducing my mana spent as well. I tend to use it in situations where I have AoE heal multiple times really quickly.
My bad, I forgot to pick up the trait modifier when copy-pasting the tooltip.
AOE spam is one the better times to use it, but even Ukehi with everyone starting at half HP and the other healer dead is at best like three casts + Stellar Explosion and usually even that is sort of overkill.
The least annoying usage I've found for it so far is, funnily enough, hard-raising. Mostly because the remaining cast time eats through a lot of the buff anyway, but you can cram raises in between mechanics it'd normally be problematic with
TIL Halicarnassus has a 12 minutes enrage. She'll summon frog panels, use The Game without using Ribbit, and this wipes the group. Pretty disappointing enrage.
Also, finished first DPS as DRK, because of course, that's how you reach the enrage in the first place.
I must say DRK is quite enjoyable to me in these DF situations, because I can use TBN on CD on people who're going to fail mechanics to gain me a Bloodspiller. My blade is literally fueled by people's incompetence.
Also, finished first DPS as DRK, because of course, that's how you reach the enrage in the first place.
I must say DRK is quite enjoyable to me in these DF situations, because I can use TBN on CD on people who're going to fail mechanics to gain me a Bloodspiller. My blade is literally fueled by people's incompetence.
SliceSabre
Banned
Yup that's the other time I use it for, maybe not the most 'efficient' usage of it but hell of a lot better than hard casting for 8 seconds and spending that huge chuck of mana.
Dougieflesh
Member
TIL Halicarnassus has a 12 minutes enrage. She'll summon frog panels, use The Game without using Ribbit, and this wipes the group. Pretty disappointing enrage.
Also, finished first DPS as DRK, because of course, that's how you reach the enrage in the first place.
I must say DRK is quite enjoyable to me in these DF situations, because I can use TBN on CD on people who're going to fail mechanics to gain me a Bloodspiller. My blade is literally fueled by people's incompetence.
That level of incompetence sounds painful.
just reached my first 50, should I spend the 10 silver feathers I have on the ironworks body and weapon or hold on to them a little longer til 60? They are a heck of a lot better than the wizard set the Job quest gave me, and my weapon is like level 45
If wait, Where can i pick up a decent weapon that isn't from the MSQ? (i'm only just entering dragonhold and the quest rewards are only around level 35)
If wait, Where can i pick up a decent weapon that isn't from the MSQ? (i'm only just entering dragonhold and the quest rewards are only around level 35)
Seijuro
Member
I have real problems progressing through Stormblood campaign.
I finished the Heavensward 3.0 campaign with a lvl 60 Summoner (with secondary Scholar, who isn't geared up though) and left the game for some time.
I came back with Stormblood, but decided I don't like pet jobs no more and continued leveling my Dark Knight. Played that through the Dragonsong Wars up to lvl 62 quests in Stormblood... then decided I rather want to go Red Mage and started to level that to 58... only to decide I would rather continue on my eternal side project Monk level thatup and take that through Stormblood campaign.
Up to lvl 65 quests now... but now I got a bad itch to heal (got a lvl 50 White mage also from the ARR campaign).
I can't be the only one with these problems can I? Too many interesting classes in this game!
I finished the Heavensward 3.0 campaign with a lvl 60 Summoner (with secondary Scholar, who isn't geared up though) and left the game for some time.
I came back with Stormblood, but decided I don't like pet jobs no more and continued leveling my Dark Knight. Played that through the Dragonsong Wars up to lvl 62 quests in Stormblood... then decided I rather want to go Red Mage and started to level that to 58... only to decide I would rather continue on my eternal side project Monk level thatup and take that through Stormblood campaign.
Up to lvl 65 quests now... but now I got a bad itch to heal (got a lvl 50 White mage also from the ARR campaign).
I can't be the only one with these problems can I? Too many interesting classes in this game!