I....quite like the design of that really.
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Final Fantasy XIV: Stormblood |OT| Y'all Need to Calm Down
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Stone Ocean
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Can't wait for the savage version so people can dye it into a flesh tone
Checking the Japanese coverage thread on the Live Letter since the English one likes to randomly skip stuff they don't want to translate...
The main changes in 4.05 will be:
- Mirage Dive animation length will be adjusted
- Dragon Sight range extended to 12m
- Sonic Thrust combo bonus will now include a 10 second extension to BotD
- BotD duration starts at 20 seconds now
- Elusive Jump's cooldown is now 30 seconds
They will monitor feedback after 4.05 for more complex changes to the class.
(I'm not sure who the fuck thought Sonic Thrust needed that change or how it helps at all....)
For those interested, this thread is waaaaaay better than the English one: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/337122-第37回FFXIVプロデューサーレターLIVE-速報-(2017-07-15)
The main changes in 4.05 will be:
- Mirage Dive animation length will be adjusted
- Dragon Sight range extended to 12m
- Sonic Thrust combo bonus will now include a 10 second extension to BotD
- BotD duration starts at 20 seconds now
- Elusive Jump's cooldown is now 30 seconds
They will monitor feedback after 4.05 for more complex changes to the class.
(I'm not sure who the fuck thought Sonic Thrust needed that change or how it helps at all....)
For those interested, this thread is waaaaaay better than the English one: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/337122-第37回FFXIVプロデューサーレターLIVE-速報-(2017-07-15)
DrForester
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http://ff14net.2chblog.jp/archives/51698215.html
lol lochs instances are back with 4.05
potential 3 ixions in a row
Unless they make it so the spawn timer randomization is shared between the three instances, that doesn't fix the problem as each instance will be spammed one at a time.
The fix would be to either...
1. Increase the number of horns Ixion drops, so people have to do it less
2. Lower the horn requirements for the mount, so people have to do it less
Pyros_Eien
Member
The issue isn't so much ppl filling up the instance when Ixion spawns. I mean that's annoying and all but that'll sort itself out over time. The issue is people filling up the instance when Ixion can spawn, preventing anyone from entering the zone anymore until he finally spawns and gets killed. This happens on full servers like Gilgamesh, where for 2-6hours, you just can't enter Lochs anymore cause Ixion window is open, which means no new player can finish the MSQ and gatherers can't get their stuff.
Having 3 instances would fix that problem. Sure the Ixion part is still gonna suck, but at least people will be able to do non Ixion related stuff even when Ixion is ready to spawn.
It's so you don't get forced into ST combo if you want to keep BoTD up during AOE pulls in dungeons, that was a commonly requested buff.
Stone Ocean
Member
They really should have done something with Eyes but the Sonic change is good. Not being able to AoE and keep BoTD up sucks, specially because of GK/Nastrond
DRG shouldn't be THAT bad in Savage considering fights have very little untargetability. Buff alignment will still fucking suck and they'll still be punished heavily by mistaes but it's a lot more doable than having to deal with Susano's bullshit.
DRG shouldn't be THAT bad in Savage considering fights have very little untargetability. Buff alignment will still fucking suck and they'll still be punished heavily by mistaes but it's a lot more doable than having to deal with Susano's bullshit.
EndcatOmega
Unconfirmed Member
It's not going to matter for savage (barring some hidden aoe phase have to hit all 4 parts of Neo please be excited), but it makes the AOE rotation a little nicer in dungeons, at least; being able to actually use Nastrond in huge pulls and all without doing some weird shit.
Not sure how poop the stats are in comparison to the gear I had, but I don't think spending on ironworks would be that good.
Get yourself some cordials and get popping on levequests for gatherers in Kugane, they're quite generous with the exp if you complete quickly (get bonus).
You can also try to do the level 60 2-star collectable, but I'm not sure if you can get it to 450 collectable level (should be okay if you have a proper rotation). This helps not only in getting hand-in exp, but red scrips which you can spend on lvl 65 gatherer gear once you manage to get to that level, I suppose.
Stone Ocean
Member
Don't spend red scrips on level 65 gear, spend it on the augmented lvl 60 artifact armor instead. Those will carry you to 70 easily.
Getting red scrips gets a lot easier once you hit 63 and get the unspoiled trait.
Getting red scrips gets a lot easier once you hit 63 and get the unspoiled trait.
What happened?
Stone Ocean
Member
Oh shit does that mean glamour log?!
I mean, that's what balancing a game means? No game dev can take every possible optimization into account when balancing a game, NIN wasn't intended to do as much damage as it does currently so they're toning it down, it has nothing to do with "punishing" players.
Ninja
- Potency for Gust Slash will be reduced. The reason for this is because the players found a stronger skill rotation than those the dev. team was using while making adjustments.
The translation outright says it. Players found something better, fuck you, we have to adjust it. Could have just said "it was a bit too strong." =P
Has everything to do with the way they say it. "We found this to be a bit more powerful than we intended." is way different than "You guys found something that made this very powerful and we can't have that going around..."
Okay that makes sense. I've never really felt that balancing AOE with BotD was that hard, but maybe that shows I don't AOE as much as I should in dungeons?
Yes, which is why I said (twice, at that) that it's a bad excuse/wording. That doesn't come down to punishing players.
edit: I also sort of want to believe they say it like this because they want the players to feel smart, but it comes off as bad testing to me. I don't even know what kind of rotation they had envisioned, lol.
That's not punishing players, that's a balance change. NIN being as strong as it is now makes as little sense as BLM being handily outdamaged by RDM.
On one hand it makes sense that it's a fairly low-level nerf on the other hand NIN at really low levels super sucks now without Mutilate and this will make it even weaker. But oh well, can't really care about that Sastasha balance.
On one hand it makes sense that it's a fairly low-level nerf on the other hand NIN at really low levels super sucks now without Mutilate and this will make it even weaker. But oh well, can't really care about that Sastasha balance.
EndcatOmega
Unconfirmed Member
Should be aoeing pretty much everytime there's 4 enemies if it's the same as HW; though maybe you're just pro, I barely touched DRG since getting it to 70!
Stone Ocean
Member
It makes no difference whether it was the dev team that found out or that players did lol the result is the same.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
I like the honesty
"Lol you guys found a better rotation than us is just a couple of weeks. So NIN ended being more powerful that we expected"
I mean, it is what it is, they won't let a job unbalanced just because the community are better players than the devs.
"Lol you guys found a better rotation than us is just a couple of weeks. So NIN ended being more powerful that we expected"
I mean, it is what it is, they won't let a job unbalanced just because the community are better players than the devs.
Stone Ocean
Member
I wonder if they'll do something about Jin Ten Chi though
Hopefully they'll make it slightly less clunky to use (I personally think removing the Ninjutsu requirement after every mudra would make it more enjoyable to use) but I'm not expecting anything before 3.1 at the very least.
Somehow both the US and JP PLL OF summary threads just straight up skip the machinist changes; I now really want to know if they made changes to Barrel Stabilizer, because alongside the 5% -> 8% buff change for Hot Shot, they reduced the heat it generates from 10 to 5; this bumps the GCD count to get from 0 to 50 from 9 to 10, which is the opposite of what you'd want to happen. They're also taking the -10 potency out of Quick Reload, which would make Cooldown the only way to dump heat.
It's also a little interesting that no mention of crafted gear was made and I don't think they showed off tome gear. I still worry about the nightmare scenario where the tome gear is just an AF3 upgrade... somehow.
It's also a little interesting that no mention of crafted gear was made and I don't think they showed off tome gear. I still worry about the nightmare scenario where the tome gear is just an AF3 upgrade... somehow.
Pyros_Eien
Member
I mean they did say glamour log is probably going to be a thing(although I'd assume 4.2 rather than 4.1), so retainer space is kinda whatever? I'd like them to display both pages at the same time, that'd be great, but I don't feel they need more slots, and it makes sense they don't increase them since they sell them.
But once you can remove all the glamour shit from the retainers, there's really not that much left unless you like keeping every single crafting item possible including shit you can buy on vendors or that's worth 10g on the market. Mind you I had to clear 2 full retainers like this, had almost every 2.0 materials/monster drop/processed food in 20-99 stacks. Most of it I just threw in the trash(NPC vendor) cause it wasn't worth anything anyway, and some of it for money, and bam that was 2 retainers almost entirely empty(kept some processed food annoying stuff and some of the unspoiled node stuff so I don't have to gather more later).
Mostly my retainers now have a lot of various armors and weapons for various different classes and even that I cleaned up a good bit, like everything I can buy with poetics I removed, everything I can buy from calamity vendor I removed, so it isn't as bad anymore, and HW/SB mats. HW I'll probably clean up soon, I kept cause I still had to do my HW class quests for crafters but now that I have everything done I don't need most of it.
But once you can remove all the glamour shit from the retainers, there's really not that much left unless you like keeping every single crafting item possible including shit you can buy on vendors or that's worth 10g on the market. Mind you I had to clear 2 full retainers like this, had almost every 2.0 materials/monster drop/processed food in 20-99 stacks. Most of it I just threw in the trash(NPC vendor) cause it wasn't worth anything anyway, and some of it for money, and bam that was 2 retainers almost entirely empty(kept some processed food annoying stuff and some of the unspoiled node stuff so I don't have to gather more later).
Mostly my retainers now have a lot of various armors and weapons for various different classes and even that I cleaned up a good bit, like everything I can buy with poetics I removed, everything I can buy from calamity vendor I removed, so it isn't as bad anymore, and HW/SB mats. HW I'll probably clean up soon, I kept cause I still had to do my HW class quests for crafters but now that I have everything done I don't need most of it.
How is this even possible?
I'm kind of a newcomer to playing an MMO for any length of time so the whole idea of classes having wild imbalances and the devs not understanding how their players will play is unthinkable to me. Other multiplayer genres manage a semblance of balance with 100+ characters, and that's competitively, and in scenarios where team composition can change wildly etc.
It's really really surprising to see so many people on here or the XIV Reddit complaining about balancing issues to me.
EndcatOmega
Unconfirmed Member
I mean, I forgot the class existed too until you just reminded me, can't really blame 'em.
Pyros_Eien
Member
People complain about balance issues when stuff is within 5-10% of each other. This is vastly different than dota/lol where stuff is just widly different and is balanced through other means by reinforcing strengths, weaknesses and synergy. No one knows or cares which ADC/carry does the most DPS on a non moving target in those games cause that's an unrealistic situation, but in mmo raids, that's a large part of the raiding content and small differences in optimal output have an impact on balance.
Also it's unrealistic for devs to think of all possibly ways they line up skills and things like that. This happens all the time, this case wasn't any different other than they came out and said it was that. But literally every other cases when a DPS does more damage than another, it's also an issue of that. If their RDM testers played as well as the best players, they probably would have noticed BLMs not doing enough damage, but they probably didn't play as well, so they figured DPS was in the right spot cause they didn't optimize enough.
It's a start, but I would really appreciate an increase in potency for Succor. The potency is simply much too low for how much MP it's asking for.
Aside from Miasma II, our damage rotation is still trash. Shadow Flare was better as a spell. Also, they still need to ease up on how much Bane loses strength, jesus
Also, I will continue to be baffled at why we can't (?) get Sustain back.
Stone Ocean
Member
I'm pretty sure tome gear was confirmed not being job locked so I'm just expecting it to be those contest winners. Upgraded AF would be... unfortunate to say the least but I'll take the excuse to not have to play AST.
And hey rook seppuku does 800 pot damage now!
It's just not feasible to come up with every single possible scenario. Multiplayer games manage a semblance of balance - also the game is nowhere near as imbalanced as complaints make it out to be - but they constantly fuck up and have to quickly fix shit. League of Legends constantly puts out overpowered/underpowered champions because players come up with builds that the devs didn't envision or champs are garbage vs experienced players.
You simply can't expect a couple hundred people to figure out things as fast as several thousand players running this shit for several hours a day.
One consistent through line is that the XIV dev team essentially never understands how players are going to react to anything. Ever. They spent early HW claiming there were magic secret rotations they'd balanced the ranged jobs against, then had to give up and buff them when it turned out no. The tank accessory thing we're seeing right now was highly predictable but completely blindsided them.
Like, they didn't realize that a giant untcontrollabe pet following summoners and obscuring everyone's view would be a problem.
They're bad at understanding how things they put in the game will be leveraged by players; it's not new at all.
I'm just trying to figure out if the way it was phrased leaves the door open to a change to stabilizer; none of what they outlined helps the actual gameplay loop at all and Overheat still needs adjustment on its own to not be awful.
Like, they didn't realize that a giant untcontrollabe pet following summoners and obscuring everyone's view would be a problem.
They're bad at understanding how things they put in the game will be leveraged by players; it's not new at all.
I'm just trying to figure out if the way it was phrased leaves the door open to a change to stabilizer; none of what they outlined helps the actual gameplay loop at all and Overheat still needs adjustment on its own to not be awful.
I'm not arguing that the devs are bad or anything, I'm just curious about it, considering the effort involved into making SB. The scope (to me) seems way smaller than a game like LoL/DotA, but like I say, I still consider myself a newcomer and I'm just asking questions. I'll be interested to see how quickly they can "balance" the game in the eyes of the players. How has it been in the past?
Oh they knew, they just gave the fans exactly what they wanted in this case.
Egis were designed small to not clutter the screen and people demanded large summons because duurr we are summoners we need big shit and now they are going "shit is too big!"
On the other hand, what exactly are the players doing here with NIN that necessitated -20 potency on all of their combos? JCT instead of TCJ? 5th GCD TA? Literally the rest of their opener and general priority is as simple as "Use all of your buttons."
With how binary of a level the game operates at, League, etc. comparisons feel fairly flat as they have room for things unrelated to the specific numbers involved. That isn't really XIV. It's about fitting as close to a math equation and that's simply all of it.
Balance in general has been in the spot of "Everything is viable" but that's more a case of discrepancies never being large enough to actually stop players outside of public perception. Individual balance stuff has typically been "this is just better than that" levels of binary comparisons and I'd argue historically it's been really bad. It's just, again, it rarely matters in terms of what you can or cannot do.
Trojita
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Stone Ocean
Member
Oh yeah, they definitely seem to be caught with their pants down more often than not, but most of the time they do try adress stuff somewhat.
It depends. Sometimes they can be relatively quick - WAR and DRG in 2.0 - sometimes they'll tip toe around issues until they're finally fixed but the tip toeing creates more issues - everything that has ever been done to AST since 3.0.
Why do you think this is so though? Certainly can't say they are inexperienced. They weren't when ARR launched, and even if they were, we're 4 years in and at the second expansion now. They aren't terrible developers either, many of them come from solid teams within the company which worked on big titles. It isn't arrogance either, they are humble and honest about changes and take player feedback very seriously.
What is it then? Are they actually just really, really, really terrible at their own game for some unexplainable reason?!
Their own explanation of how they tested balance is a thing.
Reading that it's kind of unsurprising most of what came out is kind of wonky.
Garuda being Bahamut sized wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue, because you can send them to go stand off to the side and they will. Bahamut being totally uncontrollable is just all around awful. Aside from the obvious visibility problems that pop up the second you have a summoner stack with the group, it's super dumb that he will stop casting to follow the summoner around if they move.
Let summoners actually place Bahamut somewhere instead of having him in constant creepy stalker mode would fix a lot of it.
Vic_Viper
Member
Now that im lvl 70 with my NIN once I get a good Weapon Id like to check out adding Materia to it.
Does anyone have a guide that explains Materia Melding? What is Melding? Just equiping it to your gear/weapon? Or are you able to combine 2 different Materia creating 1 new one? Not exactly sure how it works.
Also which Materia should I be using? Direct Hit and something else? Crit?
Does anyone have a guide that explains Materia Melding? What is Melding? Just equiping it to your gear/weapon? Or are you able to combine 2 different Materia creating 1 new one? Not exactly sure how it works.
Also which Materia should I be using? Direct Hit and something else? Crit?
Stone Ocean
Member
Pyros_Eien
Member
Melding is the process of applying materias to gear basically. It can be done by the right crafter or by the NPCs you can find in most towns(icon is a blue stone, basically a materia). Costs a pittance in gold to have the NPC do it. For most combat gear the NPC is basically equal to a crafter, but crafter can overmeld(ingame called forbidden meld) on crafted gear, which lets you put more materia than the slots, up to 5. Probably won't be relevant for much combat wise though and crafted gear always costs a fortune anyway plus overmelding also costs a fortune cause it has a low % to succeed and all.
You can also combine materias to upgrade them to the next tier, that's done in Central Thanalan where you get the materia quest(might need lvl 20+crafter to get the quest though).
As for what materia, it seems currently for most classes Direct hit > Crit > Det.
Doton is also believed to be bugged right now and counts as physical damage (which means it's benefiting from Dripping Blades). It's pretty funny.
Stone Ocean
Member
So the same shit that was happening with Bhavacakra?