Support NeoGAF

[Kagari]

Thank fucking lord

Best news on XV yet, IMO.

Yeah, now if they can just clean up that image quality.

 

[wmlk]

They said 30 fps in the same way as Duscae 2.0. So, it's not the same as you guys might be thinking.

Still, them talking about console differences suggests a stronger focus on one platform over the other. I think we can guess which platform that might be.

 

[BumRush]

Well the most important bit of this interview was that Tabata is a Red Bull drinker like me, yay.

I wrote this down while listening to the interview, it's pretty much just a messy dump with stuff we've already heard too.
But here you go in case someone doesn't want to watch the whole video.

Really good stuff, Artsi. Thanks for posting.

 

[Kagari]

They said 30 fps in the same way as Duscae 2.0. So, it's not the same as you guys might be thinking.

Still, them talking about console differences suggests a stronger focus on one platform over the other. I think we can guess which platform that might be.

That was pretty evident based on the demo, no?

 

[The Silver]

The dragoon isn't a generic enemy anymore?

guess they saw how popular she got and made her a full character

 

[wmlk]

That was pretty evident based on the demo, no?

Yeah, but I think they're going to really double down on that to get 30 fps on PS4. We actually saw an improvement on PS4 and that'll likely continue. Whereas the XBOX One version regressed in some ways.

I just don't like hearing 30 fps the same way as Duscae 2.0.

guess they saw how popular she got and made her a full character

Read the interviews again. She was never said to be generic.

"The dragon knight character seen doing some wild acrobatics through the air towards the end of the trailer (around the 5:43 mark) is a character from the enemy side (she's not Stella, as Nomura said in past interviews). She's part of a special group of people within the enemy army, and uses unconventional armor that differs from the army's standard issue."


From Andriasang.

We just assumed that she was generic.

 

[BumRush]

I'm an optimistic and I'm starting to get really excited about XV again...

 

[Kagari]

Yeah, but I think they're going to really double down on that to get 30 fps on PS4. We actually saw an improvement on PS4 and that'll likely continue. Whereas the XBOX One version regressed in some ways.

I just don't like hearing 30 fps the same way as Duscae 2.0.



Read the interviews again. She was never said to be generic.

"The dragon knight character seen doing some wild acrobatics through the air towards the end of the trailer (around the 5:43 mark) is a character from the enemy side (she's not Stella, as Nomura said in past interviews). She's part of a special group of people within the enemy army, and uses unconventional armor that differs from the army's standard issue."


From Andriasang.

We just assumed that she was generic.

Did the XB1 demo get updated with the AF and whatnot the PS4 one got in 2.0?

 

[TheGreatDirector]

1080p is pretty much confirmed for PS4, right?

 

[raven777]

Yeah, but I think they're going to really double down on that to get 30 fps on PS4. We actually saw an improvement on PS4 and that'll likely continue. Whereas the XBOX One version regressed in some ways.

I just don't like hearing 30 fps the same way as Duscae 2.0.



Read the interviews again. She was never said to be generic.

"The dragon knight character seen doing some wild acrobatics through the air towards the end of the trailer (around the 5:43 mark) is a character from the enemy side (she's not Stella, as Nomura said in past interviews). She's part of a special group of people within the enemy army, and uses unconventional armor that differs from the army's standard issue."


From Andriasang.

We just assumed that she was generic.

you made me go back to andriasang and read old interview...

You can combo your attacks across character changes -- that is, you can keep your combo going when you switch the character you're currently controlling. As an example, you can make the scarfaced character do positional damage with his hammer, then switch to Ignis, or you can make the enemy shrink away in fear from Ignis's magic then call in another character to attack.

 

[Icyflamez96]

Luna is a strong willed, independent character who makes her own decisions

I laughed at this part.

 

[wmlk]

I don't think anybody bothered making a comparison for XBOX One lol. But the AF added to PS4 was pretty noticeable. Benzy took some shots.

 

[Ahnez]

This game is such a hype roller coaster

 

[stryke]

1080p is pretty much confirmed for PS4, right?

The latest screenshots they put out were 1080p but I'm not taking that as indicative of anything.

 

[Kagari]

The latest screenshots they put out were 1080p but I'm not taking that as indicative of anything.

They looked upscaled or something.

 

[stryke]

They looked upscaled or something.

Blurring due to post processing effects.

 

[LouisaFerre]

you made me go back to andriasang and read old interview...

God damn. I mean, I don't want to shit on this game for not being Versus, but it really would be a shame if Nomura never got another chance to fully realize the gameplay concept he was going for. I really wouldn't be surprised of some of those ideas got folded into VIIR, though.

 

[Dark_castle]

• There's lot of people asking for Episode Duscae 3.0 but we've moved on from that

Which fuckers are those people? Tell me their names, I will find them, and poison their tea while they're sleeping.

 

[Rymuth]

• There are many reasons why Stella was changed to Luna. But the most important one was that she has a very different role in the story now and we needed a different character

Stella's character probably detracted too much from the male-centric story Tabata's going for (Regis is symbolized with the car, heh) and Luna's role is a lot easier to reign in

 

[Koozek]

Stella's character probably detracted too much from the male-centric story Tabata's going for (Regis is symbolized with the car, heh) and Luna's role is a lot easier to reign in

What are you trying to say exactly?

According to the recent interviews and the reasoning behind the changes Luna seems to be exactly what everyone wanted Stella to be, who most likely would have actually turned out to be a not so independent and autonomous character over the course of Versus' whole story. Just because we saw Stella draw her rapier against Noctis for 2 seconds doesn't mean she did that of her own will and out of determination. Maybe she was ordered to and was merely a pawn of her father/antagonist.
I don't see why Tabata and his team would go to such lengths and replace a whole character if it wasn't for a good reason. In the end it only matters how Luna turns out, I don't care if they changed her name and look on the way. The redesigned Stella after the FFXV reboot (under Nomura!) looked terrible, anway.

 

[Loudninja]

DF from June

And falter it will. For all that the game is doing right, its frame-rate remains a real point of concern. The PS4 version at least sees some genuine signs of improvements across a run of play. On average, we're looking at a 2-3fps boost with version 2.0 - just enough of an improvement to bring a number of areas closer to hitting a stable 30fps. Frame-times are still rather inconsistent though, preventing the game from totally consistent fluidity, but the good news here is that there's clear progress here. Curiously, cut-scene performance remains identical to the original release.

Image quality wise, changes are relatively minor. The same choice of resolution is in place - 1600x900 on PS4 and 1408x792 on Xbox One - and numerous other problems. The same "blurry yet jaggy" image quality remains in effect throughout, but on the bright side, texture filtering has at least received a small boost in specific areas. Even at 1600x900, some decent AA could conceivably clean up the PS4 version to a more respectable state but 792p on Xbox One is just too low - though with the performance problems here it seems like a boost might prove difficult.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-final-fantasy-15-episode-duscae-revisited

 

[Twookie]

and just like that, hype rising again


and also, can you guys chill out regarding luna? we haven't seen nearly enough to conclude that she is a weak character.
hell, we haven't seen much of anything, lets not freak out just yet

 

[chefbags]

and just like that, hype rising again


and also, can you guys chill out regarding luna? we haven't seen nearly enough to conclude that she is a weak character.
hell, we haven't seen much of anything, lets not freak out just yet

Agreed. Like no one except well square literally knows who she is and what her motivations are. Just because she replaced stella doesn't automatically mean she's a weak character. Like we can all debate on who she is when the game's out. Speculating the hell out of her is so pointless.

 

[Dark_castle]

Agreed. Like no one except well square literally knows who she is and what her motivations are. Just because she replaced stella doesn't automatically mean she's a weak character. Like we can all debate on who she is when the game's out. Speculating the hell out of her is so pointless.

I agree. All we really need now is a trailer where Luna holds a rapier and fight and show some serious facial expression and body language. That would calm the pants down of many here.

 

[BossDarkseid]

I agree. All we really need now is a trailer where Luna holds a rapier and fight and show some serious facial expression and body language. That would calm the pants down of many here.

I may be flogging a dead horse somewhat but they could always reveal that she is (i'm speculating ofc) the one who summons Leviathan and show the animation or whatever in a story trailer. It'd be kinda crazy epic.

 

[Rising_Hei]

The LOD could be horrid in duscae, when not much is shown, like in the cave, the LOD and IQ was awesome, but in open fields the quality drops so much that it could look like a PS2 game at times :/

Fixing that is more important than a few dropped frames and subpar resolucion, imo.

 

[kurahador]

I may be flogging a dead horse somewhat but they could always reveal that she is (i'm speculating ofc) the one who summons Leviathan and show the animation or whatever in a story trailer. It'd be kinda crazy epic.

But that would be spoiler.

 

[GasProblem]

Set release date, 65% done, already managing a 30 fps on PS4?

My hype, I feel it coming back.

 

[Ran rp]

We hope to bring Final Fantasy again to that point where people say it's a definitive experience, with both best story and presentation

duscae gives me zero hope for a decent localization

The question was related to how the party interacts with each other, bantering etc.

you know, prompt, we really are drifting

 

[Crossing Eden]

What are you trying to say exactly?

According to the recent interviews and the reasoning behind the changes Luna seems to be exactly what everyone wanted Stella to be, who most likely would have actually turned out to be a not so independent and autonomous character over the course of Versus' whole story. Just because we saw Stella draw her rapier against Noctis for 2 seconds doesn't mean she did that of her own will and out of determination. Maybe she was ordered to and was merely a pawn of her father/antagonist.
I don't see why Tabata and his team would go to such lengths and replace a whole character if it wasn't for a good reason. In the end it only matters how Luna turns out, I don't care if they changed her name and look on the way. The redesigned Stella after the FFXV reboot (under Nomura!) looked terrible, anway.

Really not seeing that "defiance" thing, she just looks like a doll.

 

[Golnei]

Really not seeing that "defiance" thing, she just looks like a doll.

Isn't she supposed to be something like 8 years old in that scene?

Though it is still a problem in the larger context of the game's marketing - for a character with supposed agency, they're doing anything but showing it.

 

[Damerman]

The question was related to how the party interacts with each other, bantering etc., and how the story seems to flow even outside obvious cutscenes (like the Behemoth scenes in Episode Duscae).

Tabata said that he thinks TLOU did this kind of thing well and wants to explore that kind of blending of storytelling and gameplay which he hasn't really seen much in RPG's.

So basically less traditional cutscenes that interrupt gameplay constantly, more control to the player even if stuff is happening around you.

From what i can tell from the duscae demo, they are doing a very good job. The first fight with the behemoth was astounding in terms of set piece presentation and gameplay. Really excellent.

 

[Koozek]

Really not seeing that "defiance" thing, she just looks like a doll.

Isn't she supposed to be something like 8 years old in that scene?

Though it is still a problem in the larger context of the game's marketing - for a character with supposed agency, they're doing anything but showing it.

Twist: she fights back in the rest of the scene and discovers her real powers.

PS: The in-game models, whew.

 

[Zoe]

Really not seeing that "defiance" thing, she just looks like a doll.

It's not like she's lying there and taking the beating.

 

[Whompa02]

Really not seeing that "defiance" thing, she just looks like a doll.

Are you serious? She's like 9 years old when that happens, what did you expect? Her to get up and Mary Sue her way to victory?

 

[t_berta]

hope they fix up the character design

 

[Arkeband]

Isn't she supposed to be something like 8 years old in that scene?

Though it is still a problem in the larger context of the game's marketing - for a character with supposed agency, they're doing anything but showing it.

yeah, how dare they spend most of the focus on the main character.

If they 'marketed' Luna as hard as Noctis you'd have a new group of angry Internet crusaders saying they were tricked into buying it because they thought they could play as a female character.

 

[JehutyGR]

Next time I want to hear more about party management and magic. I'm surprised that nobody asks about those.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Isn't she supposed to be something like 8 years old in that scene?

Though it is still a problem in the larger context of the game's marketing - for a character with supposed agency, they're doing anything but showing it.

It's not like she's lying there and taking the beating.

Are you serious? She's like 9 years old when that happens, what did you expect? Her to get up and Mary Sue her way to victory?

Referring to the "defiance in her eyes" thing. There's a pretty big difference between "defiance" and fear.

 

[Damerman]

Referring to the "defiance in her eyes" thing.

She has a slight scowl which would be more noticable if it werent for her bangs.

 

[MogCakes]

I'm doing a pitiful job of keeping myself on blackout for this game. Hype levels rising

 

[Blizzje]

Interesting. He said he still can't quite guarantee 1080p on all platforms. I think they are going to hit 1080p on ps4 and 900p Xbox One. 30fps is pretty much a guarantee on both platforms.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

She has a slight scowl which would be more noticable if it werent for her bangs.

I actually can't stop looking at her bangs.
It's like staring at an old person trying to get off a mall escalator. Just fascinating.

 

[Crossing Eden]

She has a slight scowl which would be more noticable if it werent for her bangs.

Looks more like shock.

 

[Arkeband]

Looks more like shock.

You're probably viewing the scene as some guard randomly burst into the room and started slapping her around.

She was probably in the process of doing something she shouldn't be for the greater good, which is where the defiance thing comes into play. Maybe she knew there was a chance she'd get stopped by a merciless adult but she was determined to do it regardless.

 

[Crossing Eden]

You're probably viewing the scene as some guard randomly burst into the room and started slapping her around.

She was probably in the process of doing something she shouldn't be for the greater good, which is where the defiance thing comes into play. Maybe she knew there was a chance she'd get stopped by a merciless adult but she was determined to do it regardless.

His comment was based on things we've already seen. Probably leaning towards the newest trailer specifically.

 

[artsi]

Creating a personality profile for Luna based on all the 10 seconds of footage we've seen of her is really some magic, I just don't know how you do it.

 

[Jigolo]

this thread is still going? amazing, lol. With a title like that it's like rubbing salt on the wound. I'm glad this thread has become the official XV discussion thread

 

[Vincent Grayson]

Creating a personality profile for Luna based on all the 10 seconds of footage we've seen of her is really some magic, I just don't know how you do it.

If people can't make blanket assumptions about these characters and story elements they know almost nothing about, how will we continue to argue about this game for another year?

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Creating a personality profile for Luna based on all the 10 seconds of footage we've seen of her is really some magic, I just don't know how you do it.

Don't fall for passive aggressive bait comments, mind boggling i know.