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Final Fantasy XV |OT| There and back again.

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Risev1

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Going into Chapter 5, is this supposed to make any sense?

Empire steals their car, and dumps them back into the wild. Yes, but why. Why steal their car and just let them go. None of this makes any sense and seems like it has "PLOT CONVENIENCE" hanging over it with a neon sign.

there seems to be a huge disconnect between Ardyn's actions and the Empire's. Like, the empire attacked the Titan's side, seizing the car and all, but Ardyn, more or less working a little separately from the other Empire's troops who were attacking, got them out.
 
I laughed my ass off at that. Feels like every chapter has one of these moments. Where you just shake your head and say 'Wtf, was there a scene missing there? Did I press skip by accident?'
And then it's followed
up by a stealth mission? Really? Kill me.
 
I'm struggling to see the fun in the combat. Given all of the comparisons with TW3, it seems worse than TW3 in every way.

- sluggish, non responsive
- poorly telegraphed enemy attacks
- hold to dodge
- cover to heal
- R2 to win (techniques). They're not engaging and just serve to make the combat even less fluid.
- complete lack of fluidity in the combat

Wait mode seems like a complete afterthought:
- doesn't make sense that you can only Libra using wait mode
- why does Libra take time to use?
- why is there a timer at all for wait mode? It's generous enough and just seems pointless
- wait mode makes the game easier. Specific tree for wait mode
- why can't I activate wait mode using a button instead of stopping to move.

Given that the story is poorly told, the side quests are repetitive and not engaging, and that exploration isn't really meaningful in any way, I'm struggling to identify any redeeming aspects to the game st this point.

Granted, I'm still in chapter 2...maybe my impressions will change with time. But as of now...not very good.



Hope it gets better, so far a borefest to the max.. maybe I just got spoiled by the wizards that made W3 ..and im also early in the game as well. Menu music is off the hook tho.
 

GunBR

Member
I'm with almost 10h of play and on chapter 3
So far I was a little lost with the battle system but at the same it was fun...until the
Dead Eye
mission
The terrible camera, the fact that you always lose the lock-on, the fact that you can't go to defense mode if you're in the middle of a combo
Terrible, just terrible fight

My biggest issue is with the lock-on system. With just a little adjustment would be perfect
 

Moaradin

Member
Lol the stroll for two quest is weird. In all the cutscene dialogue choices, I picked all the positive stuff. In the game Noctis couldn't sound more bored and uninterested. Kinda weird they didn't have more banter dialogue for that.
 

Zakalwe

Banned
Going into Chapter 5, is this supposed to make any sense?

Empire steals their car, and dumps them back into the wild. Yes, but why. Why steal their car and just let them go. None of this makes any sense and seems like it has "PLOT CONVENIENCE" hanging over it with a neon sign.

Spoilers only in relation to the above. End chapter 4, start chapter 5.

From what I gather the chancellor is aiding you for some unknown reason which seems to be contradictory to the aims of the empire as a whole.

So in the part you mentioned:

They defeat Titan and gain his favour while the empire move in and use the opportunity to try to capture Noctis and his group.

Titan disappears and the surrounding area beings to collapse.

The chancellor appears and offers a means of escape. The group have no choice so accept. The chancellor aids their escape while the rest of the empire forces move in.

The empire forces miss their opportunity, but find the group's vehicle and impound it.

-

The only part that isn't clear currently is why the chancellor is aiding them, and how are his motives and actions separate from the empire as a whole.
 

zkorejo

Member
Going into Chapter 5, is this supposed to make any sense?

Empire steals their car, and dumps them back into the wild. Yes, but why. Why steal their car and just let them go. None of this makes any sense and seems like it has "PLOT CONVENIENCE" hanging over it with a neon sign.

Ardyn Izunia helped them out of the area as it was collapsing not the empire. The soldiers confiscated the Regalia (car) not Ardyn. Empire wants Noctis dead, Ardyn however is rather helping him.

Its pretty clear that even though Ardyn is with the Empire, he has his own agenda. I have yet to find out too but I am sure it will be addressed later on.
 

Xaero Gravity

NEXT LEVEL lame™
I feel like an idiot for even having to ask, but how does Experimagic work? Is it a one time thing or do I get bonus MP the more levels I gain?
 

Ishida

Banned
Just finished the set piece at Altissia.

HOLY FUCK. That was AMAZING! I honestly doubted they could pull it off, but damn. I think my eyes hurt for not blinking throughout the whole thing.

And then
Titan going all "chill the fuck out, asshole!"
. Wow... :O
 

Meowster

Member
I've gotten Titan and Ramuh to spawn a couple of times. It's so epic.

People were complaining about them in the past but I am just fine with their random and chaotic nature this go around.
 
anyone on whether or not this weapon is worth using lol


the machinery weapons "warp strike" it's it's real attack in my eyes. they are slow, but can do crazy dmg, bio blaster unleashes clouds, auto cross bow shoots from range, gravity well does prompto's tech attack that sucks people in, noise blaster does an aoe , chainsaw does swipes, and drill does crazy dmg if it connects(multi hit).

giving auto cross bow helped my prompto from dying early on (seems people have been having issue with him dying early) since he uses the range for the bow and stays away, also making him use shock trap by doing air hits helped as well.

wait till you get noctis's sniper rifle, very different from the other weapons.. . had a little good fun with that weapon
 

Stuart444

Member
Chapter 13 Boss Help:

How do you deal with Uttu? The piggyback guide says you are to holy and then squeeze by the crates. It's down to half health and I don't have many items left :/ Hate this area now. Seemed alright at first but now hate it.
 

Brandon F

Well congratulations! You got yourself caught!
I'm struggling to see the fun in the combat. Given all of the comparisons with TW3, it seems worse than TW3 in every way.

- sluggish, non responsive
- poorly telegraphed enemy attacks
- hold to dodge
- cover to heal
- R2 to win (techniques). They're not engaging and just serve to make the combat even less fluid.
- complete lack of fluidity in the combat

Wait mode seems like a complete afterthought:
- doesn't make sense that you can only Libra using wait mode
- why does Libra take time to use?
- why is there a timer at all for wait mode? It's generous enough and just seems pointless
- wait mode makes the game easier. Specific tree for wait mode
- why can't I activate wait mode using a button instead of stopping to move.

Given that the story is poorly told, the side quests are repetitive and not engaging, and that exploration isn't really meaningful in any way, I'm struggling to identify any redeeming aspects to the game st this point.

Granted, I'm still in chapter 2...maybe my impressions will change with time. But as of now...not very good.

I agree with all of this, especially wait mode issues.

Though I do find the combat flows alright, the satisfaction is nonexistent. Yes, I am an acrobatic beast holding the button down and flitting about, but it can be an eyesore in groups to follow and god forbid a tree branch, or other environmental object obstructs the view which happens regularly.

It's pleasing at first, but the more I engage with this combat system, the less I actually enjoy their approach. Really just does feel extremely shallow switching between the two states and occasional parry QTE's, but its frenetic and an eyeful which seems to win points for many here.
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
Going into Chapter 5, is this supposed to make any sense?

Empire steals their car, and dumps them back into the wild. Yes, but why. Why steal their car and just let them go. None of this makes any sense and seems like it has "PLOT CONVENIENCE" hanging over it with a neon sign.

Not really,
Theres a cut-scene earlier on where the cabal of baddies are talking with the emperor, who basically just wants Noctis dead because he already has the crystal and once he gets the King's ring from Luna, he's all set. At which point, Ardyn pipes up and suggests there may be gains to be made from letting Noctis live. Still in chapter 5 myself and it just seemed to me that Ardyn is interested the avatars power for his own reasons, which is why he's left Noct and the bro's free, albeit on a short-ish leash by holding onto their transport.

Seems reasonable plotting to me.
 

Soulflarz

Banned
Going into Chapter 5, is this supposed to make any sense?

Empire steals their car, and dumps them back into the wild. Yes, but why. Why steal their car and just let them go. None of this makes any sense and seems like it has "PLOT CONVENIENCE" hanging over it with a neon sign.

Don't worry, the story continues to be stupid like this until the end, where they wrap it up in a nice ending that somehow leads people to forget all this nonsense.

That said, that was hilarious to me.

Chapter 13 Boss Help:

How do you deal with Uttu? The piggyback guide says you are to holy and then squeeze by the crates. It's down to half health and I don't have many items left :/ Hate this area now. Seemed alright at first but now hate it.

Weak to
instakill r1+triangle

Ch 13 is awful.
 
Changing control types after 25 hours sure is jarring but man I think Type C might be the way that game was meant to be played. Just having attack and defense on R2 and L2 respectively, makes the combat a lot better since you can freely control the camera.

On another note,fuck goldfish. Lost two of my best lures trying to reel it in and still had no luck :(
 
there seems to be a huge disconnect between Ardyn's actions and the Empire's. Like, the empire attacked the Titan's side, seizing the car and all, but Ardyn, more or less working a little separately from the other Empire's troops who were attacking, got them out.
This is well and good to differentiate between the Empire's goals and Ardyn's, but it seems confusing to me how much control he has then. Why make me get the car? Why can't Ardyn do it secretly since he seems to be in a position of power and on my side?

I dunno, that sequence really bugged me.
 

TheExodu5

Banned
You have to embrace the automation.

Holding attack puts you into auto-attack state. Each weapon has different combos, you need to learn at which points these combos can be fluidly broken to enter your defense state efficiently. Some weapons are easier to transition between states than others (generally, lower damage faster attack rate weapons have easier transitions).

You hold block to enter defensive state and let the game auto dodge for you. You can use this time to read the battle field and choose your next move.

When a square prompt appears, enter defensive state and let the game auto defend for you until you're presented with further opportunity.

Time your team tech moves to abuse their invincibility frames to give yourself a breather or to finish off enemies or damage them when they give an opening.

Also defensive moves like Iggy's Regroup are excellent ways to re-position for spell cast or just to take stock.

Also remember each weapon has additional combos tied to the left analog direction. So hold down the attack button to auto attack and mix up the directions to suit. Some weapons s have lunges forward and back to aid positioning.

This battle system is more about managing automated states and timing than is is precision control. You need to embrace this to find the fluidity.

This is a very helpful post. Thanks. I'll try to look at it in a different light.
 

brawly

Member
I'm so shit at this game now after being fine and enjoying the Duscae demo. Seriously bummed out atm.

Why do I have to hold R1 to lock on? Ugh.
 
Is there a way to set up a playlist of songs for your car, or do you have to scroll through every song/album? For example, I'd like it to randomize all FFIV songs only, instead of randomizing everything.
 

TheExodu5

Banned
I don't necessarily disagree with your other points but I don't agree with this one. There's plenty to explore and you can get your hands on amazing rewards by doing so. It's by far my favorite thing in the game, but it only became apparent to me when I finished the story and started exploring for real.

Maybe I haven't been lucky so far. Maybe I'm not really exploring enough...I've mostly just been going to the marked treasure locations and gather locations rather than naturally exploring on my own.

The question where you find the gem and stumble upon the huge bird monster gave me hope that I might encounter that kind of situation organically. I'm sure it'll get better if I start exploring more for the fun of it rather than checking items off the list.
 

Zakalwe

Banned
Don't worry, the story continues to be stupid like this until the end, where they wrap it up in a nice ending that somehow leads people to forget all this nonsense.

Except that part isn't nonsense as it's clearly explained
the chancellor has his own ideas and his actions in aiding the group show he has his own agenda.

I mean, you can dislike the story but this part is very clearly explained and shown.
 
So I ordered the game from the Microsoft Store (part of that $35 thing) last Wednesday and the game still hasn't shipped. Anyone else run into this?
 

pashmilla

Banned
Wait, when did the battle report card change?? It used to be defence/stealth/offence, now it's finesse and some other thing. Weird.
 
Going into Chapter 5, is this supposed to make any sense?

Empire steals their car, and dumps them back into the wild. Yes, but why. Why steal their car and just let them go. None of this makes any sense and seems like it has "PLOT CONVENIENCE" hanging over it with a neon sign.

Not as bad as the text box on screen creating the next story push.

"shit the game is out next month and we forgot to put a cutscene here", " a text box will do".
 
Finished the Deadeye fight, was just being dumb before as I hadn't really used magic until then

Fun fight!

I'm conflicted as I'm totally fine with playing this as a linear game but it gives me a similar feeling to Dragon's Dogma at times where I just want to go wander around killing things

I'm only like 8 hours in on my save (though I've reloaded/lost progress before so it's probably closer to 10+) but I feel like I haven't really been doing much for the open world stuff. I really like how much stuff there is, even if most of it is just hunts
 

nOoblet16

Member
A question, do the stat boost from food last until you rest or do they wear off after a certain amount of time regardless of you resting.

And I dont just mean stat boost like health and damage but also stats like resistant to elements...because I did see a bar that deplets regardless of you being in cutscene.
 

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Almost 40h playtime, level 47 with all my dudes... chapter 3.

Am I doing something wrong?
 

NeatoKuni

Member
me, a level 10 noctis: let me explore these mines! Level 7 goblins aren't so bad
me, still a level 10 noctis: runs into the level 50 boss and runs like crazy with the 1hp I have left
 

Zakalwe

Banned
One thing I truly love about this game is the way that Noctis and his group are coming of age in a world full of mysticism and wonder, ancient gods and incredible magic, and they're all only just realizing the scope of these things along with us as the passenger.

(Mild-early game narrative spoilers)

Noctis has been aware of his destiny since a young age, but it seems he was relatively carefree before and the events of Kingsglaive have forced him into this world before he fully had a grasp on it.

Little moments like when Prompto asks if a certain character was like Noctis' fairy grandmother, and Noctis says "I think she's more like a messenger of the gods", to which Prompto replies with an awe filled "woah".

Like they're all only just realizing how important Noctis is, their own actions, and the true scope of their world.

It's really charming stuff, and goes along with the premise of a fantasy set in reality.
 

Meowster

Member
me, a level 10 noctis: let me explore these mines! Level 7 goblins aren't so bad
me, still a level 10 noctis: runs into the level 50 boss and runs like crazy with the 1hp I have left
I'm laughing at them putting this level 5 quest item right outside a level 57 dungeon. I screamed when that samurai thing just swiped through me and I was one-shotted to the bottom of the mines. Just terrifying.
 
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