First Horizon review [Engadget]

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Not necessarily. Assassin's Creed was massive. Watch Dogs sold extremely well also.

It's a combination of timing, marketing and the game itself.

I stand corrected but then again this is a full exclusive which will limit the numbers a lot.
 
What a weird assumption to make. How do you know you wont like her when you don't know the story or the context in which she is characterized?
It's not okay to say you don't like a character based off of nearly two years of hype material? If the trailers, art, gameplay videos etc didn't make me like the main character, how would playing the game magically change that?

If it's okay for people to fall in love with a character based off trailers and gameplay vids (ie literally everyone with Stella from ffv13) then why isn't it okay to not like a character based off ad material?
 
The order of the conversation was literally:
"few millions wouldn't be huge for a AAA game"
"would 2-4M be bad for Horizon?"
"holy shit I never said that, 2-4M would be good"
"cool, so 2-4M would be good for Horizon and other AAA games"
"welcome to ignore"

I'm not sure what I missed there...
Anyway, back on topic. Let's stop talking about comparisons to games from other genres.

This is cherry picking, you are missing a lot of context, it was obvious what I meant, anyway, this is the last time I talk to you.

It's not okay to say you don't like a character based off of nearly two years of hype material? If the trailers, art, gameplay videos etc didn't make me like the main character, how would playing the game magically change that?

If it's okay for people to fall in love with a character based off trailers and gameplay vids (ie literally everyone with Stella from ffv13) then why isn't it okay to not like a character based off ad material?

It's ok, but shortsighted and silly.
 
So a majority of this reviewers enjoyment of the game comes from loving the main character? After all the media and trailers shown, I still don't like Alloy as a main character so I guess a big focus of the game is already lost on me. I hope the mechanics and structure are unique and not "Ubisoft Open World Design 101" becuse that would be a let down.

This Ubisoft thing is really interesting anyway.

First of all Ubisoft made great / good open world games like AC 2 , AC IV , FC BD and bad games like Watch Dogs , AC III etc.

What is the difference? Execution. For example you can have AC towers in your game and create great challenges and stuff around them or you can create something extremely boring and uncompelling.
 
It's not okay to say you don't like a character based off of nearly two years of hype material? If the trailers, art, gameplay videos etc didn't make me like the main character, how would playing the game magically change that?

If it's okay for people to fall in love with a character based off trailers and gameplay vids (ie literally everyone with Stella from ffv13) then why isn't it okay to not like a character based off ad material?
Story and context. The placement and pacing of events and character moments. It's like saying you can't stand a character in a movie because what you saw in trailers and clips, or from a book except
 
This isn't a rivalry. These are fans downplaying games they haven't play yet.

I don't think GG and Nintendo care at all. A real rivalry is like Call of Duty vs Battlefield where the companies are trying to one up each other.

Oh, they don't care. "The rivalry persists" is just what I like to say whenever Zelda-related threads pop up in Horizon threads, or vice-versa, because it's always amusing when it happens. The rivalry exists for several people on GAF though, no denying that at this point.
 
Horizon's behind the Wii U version of Zelda, let alone the Switch version if you look at the whole year.


No doubt the preorders are doing well for a new IP and Sony will aggressively cut the price, bundle the game with the system (if it reviews well)/give away on PS+ over the next few years

I said now...not the whole year.....I was not trying to directly compare it to zelda, an established IP. I just used Zelda as context, to show there is good demand for Horizon.
 
This isn't a rivalry. These are fans downplaying games they haven't play yet.

I don't think GG and Nintendo care at all. A real rivalry is like Call of Duty vs Battlefield where the companies are trying to one up each other.

I mean, not really. The relationship between COD and Battlefield is basically EA dishes out some trailers and a market strategy to compete with COD, and the internet proclaims COD is dead... then COD sells better than the battlefield. Everytime.

While I think comparisons between BOTW and Horizon is dumb, I miss the shade throwing that was seen in the 90's.
 
Story and context. The placement and pacing of events and character moments. It's like saying you can't stand a character in a movie because what you saw in trailers and clips, or from a book except
Story and context isn't going to make me enjoy the design of the character. It's not crazy to say that I enjoy the idea of the game but I don't like the design of the main character. It does nothing for me.

Where was all this defense force for characters based on trailers and gameplay when 90% of neogaf was crapping on the cast of FF15? It can't only be applied to this game becuse its apparently the second coming of Christ for neogaf.

I hope I enjoy the character when the game releases. But there's nothing wrong with not liking the character going in.
 
Story and context isn't going to make me enjoy the design of the character. It's not crazy to say that I enjoy the idea of the game but I don't like the design of the main character. It does nothing for me.

Where was all this defense force for characters based on trailers and gameplay when 90% of neogaf was crapping on the cast of FF15? It can't only be applied to this game becuse its apparently the second coming of Christ for neogaf.

I hope I enjoy the character when the game releases. But there's nothing wrong with not liking the character going in.

Still liking\disliking the character is not the same as liking\disliking the design.
 
Story and context isn't going to make me enjoy the design of the character. It's not crazy to say that I enjoy the idea of the game but I don't like the design of the main character. It does nothing for me.

Where was all this defense force for characters based on trailers and gameplay when 90% of neogaf was crapping on the cast of FF15? It can't only be applied to this game becuse its apparently the second coming of Christ for neogaf.

I hope I enjoy the character when the game releases. But there's nothing wrong with not liking the character going in.
Ah, you talking about the design of the character. Thought you were talking about characterization and whatnot. That's different

As for the second point, you realize that not everyone posts in every major thread? I'd say the same toward similar comments for any game
 
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I mean, even without using Amazon, the game will do well.
I'm not disputing that, but Amazon doesn't really mean anything when it comes to actual buying habits. As GTA and COd BF etc would be #1 etc constantly

That's obvious, amazon is a fine tool anyway, it's not the be all end all, don;t get why so many people get upset when people mention it.
See above. It's useless in discussing anything. NIoh is doing great on Amazon. It won't when actua sales come out
 
Ah, you talking about the design of the character. Thought you were talking about characterization and whatnot. That's different

As for the second point, you realize that not everyone posts in every major thread? I'd say the same toward similar comments for any game
Sorry for the confusion. It's the design and presentation of the character I dont like. If she turns out being like Mother Theresa when I play this game I will enjoy the character from a story perspective, but from a design standpoint it still does nothing for me.
 
I'm not disputing that, but Amazon doesn't really mean anything when it comes to actual buying habits. As GTA and COd BF etc would be #1 etc constantly


See above. It's useless in discussing anything. NIoh is doing great on Amazon. It won't when actua sales come out
Nah. KT is happy with worldwide sales.
 
I'm not disputing that, but Amazon doesn't really mean anything when it comes to actual buying habits. As GTA and COd BF etc would be #1 etc constantly


See above. It's useless in discussing anything. NIoh is doing great on Amazon. It won't when actua sales come out

Disagree, it has also been right 95% of the time regarding hardware, It is an OK data point nothing more or less.
 
I'm not disputing that, but Amazon doesn't really mean anything when it comes to actual buying habits. As GTA and COd BF etc would be #1 etc constantly


See above. It's useless in discussing anything. NIoh is doing great on Amazon. It won't when actua sales come out

Considering they seemed to have greatly undershipped Nioh that could be part of the issue with it showing up the NPD charts for Feb. Its sold out in every Best Buy and Target around me. I believe KT even dropped the price of the digital version because demand for the game was so strong.
 
I'm gonna miss pre-realease Horizon threads, I swear every time I click on one there's something silly being argued for multiple pages. It's been a fun ride. Review Thread should be great though, hopefully Tree density guy, fog guy, her fingers are too long guy, Aloy is too ugly guy and all the Zelda vs Horizon guys and gals make an appearance.
 
I'm gonna miss pre-realease Horizon threads, I swear every time I click on one there's something silly being argued for multiple pages. It's been a fun ride. Review Thread should be great though, hopefully Tree density guy, fog guy, her fingers are too long guy, Aloy is too ugly guy and all the Zelda vs Horizon guys and gals make an appearance.

Reporting Status:

Tree density guy - Banned
Fog Guy - Things are clear now as he move forward.
Finger long guy - Master troll
Aloy ugly guy - Banned
Zelda vs Horizon - Those are only our last Hope.
 
I'm gonna miss pre-realease Horizon threads, I swear every time I click on one there's something silly being argued for multiple pages. It's been a fun ride. Review Thread should be great though, hopefully Tree density guy, fog guy, her fingers are too long guy, Aloy is too ugly guy and all the Zelda vs Horizon guys and gals make an appearance.

Don't forget " lush forests"
 
Given the 60M+ PS4 user base it's entirely possible for Horizon to outsell Zelda with the right reviews and marketing.

Horizon is everywhere right now, with TV ads and YouTube gameplay, and has consistently been above Zelda in Amazon best seller lists.

PS4 owners without the Wii U but looking to get a Switch are likely to choose Horizon first and then pick up a Switch once there's more to play than just Zelda.

Nintendo needs to have a big marketing blowout, and soon.

I have been watching the list all the time and just in the last 24-48 hours did Horizon beat Zelda, and we're here talking about the Switch version only. If you add up WiiU version (9th) Zelda is easily above Horizon. At least on Amazon.

If even one review says "Zelda Killer" there will be mega meltdowns all over the internet.

I really want this to happen.
 
Horizon might beat Zelda LTD sales but not upfront.

The latter is going to have an insane attach rate on the Switch (70-80%) as it's being sold as the reason to buy the system at launch.
 
Reporting Status:

Tree density guy - Banned
Fog Guy - Things are clear now as he move forward.
Finger long guy - Master troll
Aloy ugly guy - Banned
Zelda vs Horizon - Those are only our last Hope.

Nnnnooooooo!
Zelda vs Horizon guys & gals are gonna have to step it up, I have faith they are more than capable though, they've been the lifeblood of many Horizon threads.
 
Uncharted 4 review thread disappointed me, but Horizon seems to heading towards a bigger shit show than that could have ever been.

If only the Zelda reviews came out the same day.
 
You either die as a horizon zero dawn thread or you live long enough to see yourself become a horizon vs zelda thread.
 
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