abstract alien
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I need to give my legs a rest. Constant stair master, squats, sprints...my knees are telling me to chill out for a bit :^I
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Fitness |OT7| #Swelfies, Trap Lords, and Quadzilla
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Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
This, people is why I post the way I do. People think I'm being a bully or what he fuck ever, but had this man not posted his video he'd remain completely fucked up and not even know it.
Remove the weight from the bar. Start with the bar. Everything is FUBAR. Go on YouTube and look at squat videos. Elitefts and mark rippetoe. Seriously don't squat with weight on the bar again. You're completely messed up.
Study those videos and get he movement down before ever loading he bar again.
Remove the weight from the bar. Start with the bar. Everything is FUBAR. Go on YouTube and look at squat videos. Elitefts and mark rippetoe. Seriously don't squat with weight on the bar again. You're completely messed up.
Study those videos and get he movement down before ever loading he bar again.
Oh man I'm just laughing at this post
FallingEdge
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why? It isn't like what he is saying is wrong.
Because the way he comes off is so hilarious I can't help it. I can feel the testosterone from his posts
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Deleted member 47027
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Why? Form is the most important thing. Weight comes later. Are you factoring in the weight of the bar? You're not going anywhere deep enough. Your toes are floating. What did that trainer tell you as far as squat form?
FallingEdge
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Because the way he comes off is so hilarious I can't help it. I can feel the testosterone from his posts
What are you talking about? There is no testosterone or anything. He's just being honest.
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Because the way he comes off is so hilarious I can't help it. I can feel the testosterone from his posts
Perhaps you could use some?
For real, your post history/threads reek of trolling/attention seeking BS. We're all here available to help you if you want to take the advice. A lot of your replies give off an air of "yeah, whatever". What Brolic is saying is 100% correct. Suit yourself, man. You can take the advice to heart or stay par for the course you're heading on, wherever that may be.
Oh I appreciate his honesty, I just feel it's a little over the top, which makes it funny. A much simpler response would've been better.
And yes, form is what I plan on working on the most after today. My trainer helped me with the knee part of my form, and I've already been studying vids from YouTube.
Oh and Cudder, I'm here to learn, not troll.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
You shouldn't be laughing. There's literally nothing right about your squat and you said someone "fixed your squat" a while back.
There's no "testosterone" or whatever the hell you're talking about being thrown anywhere. I being blunt. Your setup completely messed up, you have no tightness, no "core" involvement, you don't even come close to depth, let alone how messed up your execution is in general. Then there's you wiggling your toes like you're bored before, during and after a rep.
Literally everything is wrong. I'm telling you to stop and educate yourself before you put yourself in a position where you're gonna injure yourself. All you're doing (which is clear from your response) is letting pride blind you.
Zoe
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If you haven't recovered enough to do the full motion, you shouldn't be doing it at all.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Don't make excuses, own it. I very much doubt DOMs was keeping you from "hitting depth." Especially if this was later in your sets as the soreness would have subsided mostly o enough to hit depth. You're trying to pass th buck here.
2 more tips:
-get rid if your runners when squatting. Your foot is literally rolling on the ground during your reps.
-i think you're doing more than 40lbs. how much were the plates you put on?
Mysterious
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Just so I could learn from this too, could someone please point out some of the flaws in Ashodin's video? Thanks!
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
It would be better to show you a correct or at least a more correct squat. This is of me. http://youtu.be/ejco1D-Zvgw
You can also look up "so you think you can squat" on YouTube for a whole breakdown of what to do. That was put together by th guys at elitefts and it's a great series.
I have to agree about this.
Mysterious
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Thanks brah, will look into that series. My back bends slightly in my "neutral/up" position, and I thought I was messing up form, but if it's bent at the same angle as yours in the video, I shouldn't have to worry right?
Also to be specific, what do you mean by "core involvement"?
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
He's not bracing his abs (valsava maneuver). Even without a belt you should be doing it.
And you mean upper body dipping when you come up? It happens to a lot of people. As long as it's not severe it's a non issue. It does indicate a need for more ab and upper/lower back work. But you honestly can't get enough of that anyway.
If you get a chance record yourself so we can give you a better idea.
Taking a big breath and holding it through your squat, while making sure your mid section (abs) are tight like you're flexing them.
Well I'm trying to remember exactly what I was feeling when doing them. It was more likely not being used to the "true" way to squat my trainer told me, so thus I was a little hesitant. Not sure what you mean by pass the buck.
So I should squat baresocked? Whu? My foot was rolling because of the awkward and unfamiliar squat routine.
I was told the bar was 20? 25? lbs, and I have 10s on each side.
I meant get/wear flat sole shoes. But tbh going barefoot would even be better than using the shoes you are now.
I'd weigh that bar you're using with a scale at the gym. Regulation olympic bars are 45 pounds, but I can't tell with your video. You need to know the weight of the bar you're using.
Did you get your inzer belt yet? lol
Ashodin, yeah squat barefoot. Get rid of the running shoes. There's a reason people squat barefoot, in flat shoes such as Chuck Taylors, or in Olympic weight-lifting shoes. They all provide better stability / keep your base or feet stable in a squat.
Running shoes aren't flat, they are curved and solely for the purpose of running. They will make you shift forward and move all over the place when you squat. It'll make a big difference.
Running shoes aren't flat, they are curved and solely for the purpose of running. They will make you shift forward and move all over the place when you squat. It'll make a big difference.
Well hm. I think I'll try it without shoes on next time for sure!
You are a good example for someone maybe not getting enough information/help from the internet but in need of a REAL person that tells you things and shows them.
I have no clue where you live but you should look for a good trainer or at the worst, approach someone in the gym that looks like they know what they are doing and emulate them. Go a bit that way, THEN look at the internet and compare.
Just get a pair of Chucks.
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I feel that a lot of people simply don't have the flexibility to do a proper squat at first. Unless you've used squat toilets, there's a good chance you've never even done the movement. I'm glad I spent a lot of time doing body weight squats before getting into weight training.
BeautifulMemory
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same. For me personally there is also the issue of depth - I didn't realize how deep a proper squat needs to go until a friend pointed out to me
I agree with learning to squat with body weight or with the bar only. Not learning proper form will result in diminished returns and risks of injuries
Hold on... The man goes out of his way to help fix that horrendous squat and this is your response? Be grateful and listen.
Yeah that's true. I think I'm fortunate enough to have good mobility ever since I was young (I'm Chinese, being able to squat deep is in my blood lol) and not have to work on it as much. Most people usually lack the proper posture, hip flexibility (? Having tight hip flexor and such), and/or ankle flexibility for a good squat.
I tried to teach a friend to squat but it was incredibly difficult because he lacked all of the above I mentioned.
Hypereides
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Because the way he comes off is so hilarious I can't help it. I can feel the testosterone from his posts
I dont think you realise who Brolic is. You're underestimating his advice. Also you're coming off pretty disrespectful in regards to his critique/help.
-Also, you're not squatting low enough. It might feel uncomfortable due to soreness but you still have to reach down to parallel. Otherwise its an illegitimate and incomplete squat.
-Do not jog/warm up in during sets. Use the pause to rest. Later on you'll learn its advantage - if anything use the break for respiratory conditioning (exhale/inhale). Thats just my opinion.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I hope you're sincere.
Eh, I'd like to distance myself from that. I appreciate the sentiment, but I'm nobody special bud and if he wants to disregard what I have to say that's his prerogative.
Caught your post before the edit. If you want shoot me a pm with why you thought what you did and I'll shoot ya back in the morning.
Mysterious
Banned
nvm.
I'll take this into consideration, thanks!
If I wasn't, I wouldn't be posting here. I am totally clueless to any of this!
CherryWoodFuton
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-Your depth is def not deep enough
-Your back is rounded
For the love of god pls watch this video before you even attempt to think about squatting. Like Brolic says start with the empty bar and try to perfect your form before you even add plates to the bar. You will thank us later
http://youtu.be/zoZWgTrZLd8
CherryWoodFuton
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Can't tell your squat depth since the camera angle is weird but you need to keep your neck packed and neutral. It looks like you're looking slightly up and that is def not good for your cervical spine. Try to keep your neck tight by staring straight forward.
As far as power cleans I would suggest ditching them altogether and replace them with barbell rows. Without proper coaching power clean technique is extremely difficult to master and imo isn't worth it if you're not doing any olympic style lifting.
toddhunter
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Are your legs close together? Looks like your knees are coming a long way forward.
inspectah derek
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Ouch at the power clean. I fear you're heading toward snap city. Look up " fixing lower back rounding" or "lumbar rounding". Maybe try the cue "belly button out".
Your squat: It looks like you have the bar on top of your shoulders which is high bar position. The strength programs SS/SL recommend low bar position. http://vimeo.com/30763907
The path that the bar travels should be vertical, straight up and down over your mid-foot. You are coming forward a lot. That means you need to keep your torso more upright, chest proud, and sit back more.
For both of these lifts, keep a tight back. Valsalva maneuver, engage the core, squeeze your armpits to engage your lats.
Form is less about flexibility/mobility and more about the technique of moving your body and what muscles to engage.
Not to take anything away from this OT, but I think these reddit resources are more useful and comprehensive in learning.
http://www.reddit.com/r/weightroom/comments/s69bh/technique_thursdays_low_bar_squat
http://www.reddit.com/r/weightroom/comments/trtaq/technique_thursdays_power_clean/
http://www.reddit.com/r/weightroom/wiki/faq#wiki_technique_thursdays_discussions
Hypereides
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My mistake if my statement felt too bold and rash.
congrats on bringing yourself to try the squat exercise, many people won't even go into a power rack so you're a step ahead of those.
your range of motion is very, very poor and I suspect that's because that's as low as you can go before falling on your ass and not because you are lazy or not trying. The squat is a balance move, which means you have to work on your balance and flexibility before you attempt to put any weight into it.
Air Squats are a good start, they will help you come to terms with the move. I liked this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_fb6Kz7FQg
you look also very passive in your stance, tighten up more, your core, chest, legs, like you mean it. Your feet are VERY shaky, it also looks like you do it on purpose, or are you unaware? I used to have the problem but corrected it by trying to be more aware of my heels and trying to "feel" them and feel the weight there.
and dude, WTF are you doing between sets, rests are there for a reason. Who told you to that shit between sets on squats???? who the fuck told you that? if it was a personal trainer tell them to fuck off immediately, and never look back.
I think the reason why people are blunt and a bit unfriendly to you is because you really seem to be oblivious to all the knowledge available everywhere in the internet and the books. On one hand you take some advice, like going to a gym and doing compounds, on the other hand you obviously don't give a damn about doing your research before getting into the lifts.
You also are relatively new to this community so you may not know that people give and take critique all the time and sometimes people that are light years ahead of you in all regards have gotten some reality checks, we all do at some point because there aren't teachers out there that tell us what to do so we learn from friends, books, internet and life. Stop being obnoxious with posts like "I laugh at this post".
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Ashodin, unless I'm making this up, didn't you say you were "looking into" starting strength? If you actually read that book your squats wouldn't look like that.
- Your bar position is wrong on your back
- You're not tight
- You're not bracing yourself
- Your feet aren't stable
- You're not even close to depth, your quads should be parallel with the floor
- You're not opening and closing your hips. Think of the squat like a sitting back unhinging motion, not just a drop down motion.
- You turn your head to look at yourself
- That weird jogging in place thing you do
Read starting strength. Watch so you think you can squat by EliteFTS on youtube. Sincerely take some interest, or you'll never succeed and probably injure yourself and then go around telling us why squats are bad.
And don't respond to this post with something goofy like "Duly noted thanks!" JUST GO DO IT.
- Your bar position is wrong on your back
- You're not tight
- You're not bracing yourself
- Your feet aren't stable
- You're not even close to depth, your quads should be parallel with the floor
- You're not opening and closing your hips. Think of the squat like a sitting back unhinging motion, not just a drop down motion.
- You turn your head to look at yourself
- That weird jogging in place thing you do
Read starting strength. Watch so you think you can squat by EliteFTS on youtube. Sincerely take some interest, or you'll never succeed and probably injure yourself and then go around telling us why squats are bad.
And don't respond to this post with something goofy like "Duly noted thanks!" JUST GO DO IT.
Zoe
Member
You shouldn't let soreness affect your range. You need to be warming up, maybe with some light cardio, if you feel it's holding you back.
There are a lot of things wrong in that video but this one really stuck out as incredibly perilous. If you ever perform this compound lift and twist your neck like that under the weight of a moderately loaded bar you will completely fuck up your upper cervical spine. For your own sake, please take everyone's advice. I agree with all of it so far. You've got a lot of reading and practice ahead of you. Whatever you do and however incrementally you do it, don't ever do that head turn thing again though. Ever.
I would also say it seems to me you need to take the process more seriously, but I understand we are all working from different levels of dedication and motivation.
I personally didn't feel comfortable posting a squat video until I was 18 months into it and had something serious to show, so on that hand I appreciate your enthusiasm. I feel you would be doing yourself a better service if you redistributed some of that energy into study rather than discourse. At the end of the day nothing "new" is going on in this thread and that disparity is the real static generator or the "rub" if you will. Nothing personal.
Feel it when the pressure drops, mmmm hmmm yeah!
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