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FootballSoccerFútbolFussball Thread 2010/2011 |OT2|
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I don't know if Mancini Jr is great or not. If he's anything like his dad as a player, he is great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHbTHaJIM4U - dat touch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKbYca--bE0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CeDCKjP9iY&feature=fvwrel - typical cheesy tribute videos, but some good footage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHbTHaJIM4U - dat touch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKbYca--bE0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CeDCKjP9iY&feature=fvwrel - typical cheesy tribute videos, but some good footage.
magnificent83
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odd_morsel said:
Which three teams are you referring to? I am assuming Barca, Madrid and ? Or maybe not even those 2?
Vivalaraza
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I would say it's just one, Real Madrid. I can't remember the last player who Real wanted to keep, but wanted to leave. You'd have to say that nobody would choose to leave Barca right now either, but I don't think anybody would ever leave a club enjoying as much success as Barca are right now, but we saw with Figo, the pull of Real Madrid is just mighty.magnificent83 said:
Vivalaraza
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For sure, but I think it's amazing that a club like Real, which hasn't really had a spell of great domination over the last 7/8 years has been able to buy so many of the worlds top players. I really don't think Barca could do that without continued success.omgkitty said:
Vivalaraza
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Haha, very true. Stupid I think. Real are like kids in the transfer Market, they chase the newest toys. Kaka was a hot property when they signed him, now it's somebody else so they're happy do ditch Kaka for Aguero or Neymar.omgkitty said:
farhatraza said:
Part of their issue is they change coaches every 1 to 2 seasons, and the coaches they hire are going to come in and change to their tactics and formations. Mourinho knows how a team works and what it needs, so he's going to come in and buy players who fit his tactics, and that almost never includes the players who are already there. It happens everywhere, but never quite on the financial scale of Madrid and never as often.
In other news, is it just me, or are Arsenal fans doing a complete 180 today. Gervinho has signed, some dead weight is on it's way out the door, and supposedly Cesc and Nasri are staying. Am I the only one who feels as if some of this was planned? I probably have too much time on my hands to think about stuff like this, but I could completely see this whole Nasri situation being worked up to have Wenger publicly resolve it to build faith with the fans. He never signed a contract, and perhaps Arsenal has let it sit so that when we finally resolve it, it makes Wenger and the board look good. Maybe I am just crazy. Nasri may not even stay, but it just sort of feels that way.
anonnumber6
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I have to agree, Madrid's 'purchasing power' is stronger than their European rivals in the territories that produce the best players(Europe and South America). They may not be the most popular but they do have a strange ability to have the pick of any players they want.farhatraza said:
Ushojax said:
Well the fact of the matter is that Nasri has not come out and said anything since his whole "I want to win trophies" news. Who knows what is really going on. Nasri has never explicitly stated that he wants to leave, so until that happens, I have faith that he is staying.
Interesting take on FFP & the Etihad deal here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...-fair-play-merely-stifle-Manchester-City.html
Perhaps UEFA could be persuaded to rule on a fair price for Manchester City defender Jerome Boateng. Those guys seem to know the value of everything these days.
They know how much a stadium naming rights deal is worth at a club that may - or may not - be on the brink of becoming one of the most significant in Europe.
They know what a kit deal should mean to a team that may - or may not - be about to win Europe's richest domestic league.
And they can put a precise price on a fledgling project involving transport infrastructure, retail and sports education in the Greater Manchester area that may - or may not - create a new and vibrant entrepreneurial hub to the east of the city.
Indeed, it is hard to imagine why we continue listening to those bozos who made such a pig's ear of judging the financial fortunes of the Mediterranean countries, when all the finest economic forecasters in Europe can be found hanging around Michel Platini's office in Nyon.
UEFA have announced they will look into Manchester City's £400million, 10-year sponsorship arrangement with Etihad Airways, to see if financial fair play rules have been contravened.
'Our experts will make assessments of fair value using benchmarks,' said a spokesman.
What benchmarks are these?
City are all about potential right now. They could be anything, or nothing. They could usurp Barcelona or end up in the Europa League next season. And there is no precedent for City as a major European force. What would be the going rate, were City to win the modern
Champions League? Who knows? They have never even been in it before.
Yet there is already pressure over the Etihad deal from the old European elite, who feel threatened. They want the arrangement investigated because of very obvious links between Etihad and Manchester City. The airline is owned by the government of Abu Dhabi, whose ruler, Sheik Khalifa bin Zayed al Nahyan is the half brother of City's owner Sheik Mansour bin Zayed al Nahyan.
The claim is the figures have been artificially inflated to help City comply with UEFA's financial rules. And maybe they have; but so what? Business is about contacts. There are plenty of deals struck at a certain price because one side is playing a long game, hoping to do better down the line. A company might agree a significant discount to reel in a wealthy client; another might make a generous offer to establish a relationship and benefit in the future.
The microcosm is giving a busy tradesman a generous tip at first, in the hope of then being able to call on his services and time more regularly.
Clearly, these examples do not apply to Etihad and City, but they might apply to other major clubs in Europe and to a business that wanted a foot in the door at, say, Manchester United or Real Madrid.
What would UEFA do then? Ban their clubs from cutting a good deal? It will be interesting to see such restrictive measures tested in court. Bayern Munich chief executive Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, is believed to be among those protesting against the Manchester City deal behind the scenes, but he has vested interests on several fronts.
Right now, there is a significant rift between the clubs over Germany defender Boateng: Munich have offered £12m, City want nearer £20m. 'City demand a price which is not realistic,' Rummenigge says.
So now you see how it works. The big clubs want City's sponsorship by Etihad suppressed, but also wish to steal their players on the cheap. So City get gypped two ways - it is almost as if the clubs are scared of their capacity to generate money.
As chairman of the European Club Association, Rummenigge rarely misses a chance to raise an issue happily to Bayern Munich's advantage, and this is no exception. Not satisfied with Munich's immense wealth and standing in the domestic and European game - which will only be further cemented by the financial fair play rule - Rummenigge wishes to take out all interlopers, too.
City represent the greatest threat to that established order and, therefore, must be stopped.
Munich want a return to the days when the big clubs could just bully their way to a cheap deal. In Rummenigge's mind, City are impudent upstarts, their business unworthy of a £400m sponsorship, their players unworthy of a £20m bid; and UEFA are complicit in this arrogance.
From the start, financial fair play was only going to benefit the very wealthiest or the smallest clubs without ambition. Those looking to build, to grow, to succeed, were going to be stifled. So it is proving.
Munich do not want City to make money in the marketplace or in the transfer market, then they want their available funds to be fixed to income.
It is a shameful racket, but no doubt the economic gurus at UEFA will find a solution; they are so wise.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...-fair-play-merely-stifle-Manchester-City.html
Broder Salsa
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Anyone in here who watches the portugese league and knows anything about Baba Diawara? A small scouting report would be good. 
cartoon_soldier
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dc89 said:
To me the the issue with the deal is that Ethiad is owned by the owner's brother so I am assuming a lot of backroom talks were involved. Was the agreement specifically made to avoid the incoming financial rules or not.
To take the transfer analogy, if there is a fishy transfer and the manager of the buying club is the player's agent's brother the FA would be investigating that transfer too.
The three teams I was referring to that no one wants to leave once they set foot in are Real, Barça and Man Utd. I realize Ronaldo was a big move, but moving from one of those three to another doesn't quite count in my half-assed assessment. (and Rooney was full of shit anyway during his whole episode last year). No one leaves unless they're kicked out, such as the aforementioned Dutch core in the Real squad from a few years ago.
It's clear that RM operates on trends - right now they're big on Turks.
It's clear that RM operates on trends - right now they're big on Turks.
Jeff Albertson
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dc89 said:
Time to get Ewood Park in, enough of these souless stadiums get some stadiums with character and history in!
Never going to happen though
Hope this becomes a new trend
Napoli unveil Inler
Good signing I was hoping he would stay with Udinese
Napoli unveil Inler
Good signing I was hoping he would stay with Udinese
Vivalaraza
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K1LLER7 said:SSN reporting that sneijder doesn't want to leave and would only go if inter wanted him to. Inter manager saying they want to keep him. Looks like neither nasri or sneijder are old trafford bound
SSN are as bad as the tabloids these days.
Anyhow, the Sky story has no sources, that we know of anyway. Sneijder gave an interview with his wife in the Italian version of Vanity Fair in which he basically said...he will leave if the club agree to sell him. He will miss Inter and Milan, but he realises that's how football works, he wanted to stay at Madrid when they decided to sell him but moved on.
Inter's manager has also been reported as saying if Sneijder is sold they will cope without him.
All remains to be seen, and it still surprises me United are even interested in this type of deal (if they are) but there is certainly some evidence to suggest it is possible. It hasn't been dismissed out of hand so there must be some interest in the deal happeneing,
The news agencies keep changing their story because they don't really know what's going on. SAF will have a press conference later on today, most probably will let on little...and they will jump to a different conclusion.
EDIT - As far as Nasri goes, we know even less, he hasn't signed a new contract which means a sale is possible. That is all.
In fairness, with the exception of Rooney, Everton have managed to keep hold of all their top players fairly well. Lescott was tempted by ridiculous wages and Everton got an excellent figure for him (considering how he's performed at City), but they've managed to keep Arteta, Cahill, Jagielka and Baines after some really decent seasons. I'm sure there will have been interest in Arteta and Cahill after the FA Cup final but they're still there now, and many players seem to wax lyrically about Everton once they've retired.Ushojax said:
Wasn't too sure of this type of deal at first seen as he's 27, has high wages and would cost alot of money. but fergie needs to find a top quality replacement for scholes and united were linked with him before he moved to inter. Don't see nasri moving to united at all.Think he'll go to city or stay at arsenal. Read an article before he signed with arsenal where he was saying he wanted to play in spain but neither real or barca are going to get him with their midfields.farhatraza said:
EDIT: ^ Seen as real are fond of selling players who are injured, would they be willing to sell kaka.
Wenger is putting a front, so if they both get sold then he wouldn't look so bad because he 'tried' to keep them. Come on, it's pretty obvious.
I wouldn't put too much weight into his words.
I like how he says that Nasri is happy to stay in the club, if he was so happy he would've signed a contract extension already.
I wouldn't put too much weight into his words.
I like how he says that Nasri is happy to stay in the club, if he was so happy he would've signed a contract extension already.
Error said:
I would say he doesn't have any reason not to try and keep them. It's all one big mind game when it comes to football and transfers. None of us actually have any clue what's really going on. We can sit here and talk shit about who said what, and who's doing what, but when it comes right down to it, no matter if they stay or go, we have no idea what actually happened.
Joel Was Right
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The Nasri story is ridiculous. Why would he just suddenly agree to stay, and why would Wenger announce this without evidence of Samir signing a new contract? Everything that has been coming out of the Nasri corner for the past few weeks was that he needed assurances the team would be strengthened and would like a wage increase. Either one of those two, or both, has not been resolved till then. He certainly isn't going to stay because Wenger challenged him to "keep his position" when he could earn twice as much as any other club, fight for his position there and challenge to win titles with a larger squad.
It sounds like PR but I don't imagine Wenger coming out with something like this unless he had personal agreement with Samir to stay. The question is, if he is staying, will he sign a new contract? Is Wenger willing to let him go for free next summer? So when I heard this earlier, I assumed he had signed a new contract and that was that but now the situation seemed even more confused than ever before.
And about the Cesc story - let him go. His body language was not right last season at all. I don't believe the fans can accept him any longer playing whilst every man and his dog knows the guy is dreaming of the Nou Camp. If he does stay, he certainly cannot remain Captain but considering how little value Wenger sees in the armband, it wouldn't shock me to see Cesc walk onto the pitch with it. If so, would be interesting to see the reaction from the stands
I'd rather see a changed Wenger, one that isn't blind to his players flaws - and in this case their mindset - and be upfront about it to the fans and announce they will most likely leave. That type of comment, whilst on the surface negative, would be refreshing to hear.
It sounds like PR but I don't imagine Wenger coming out with something like this unless he had personal agreement with Samir to stay. The question is, if he is staying, will he sign a new contract? Is Wenger willing to let him go for free next summer? So when I heard this earlier, I assumed he had signed a new contract and that was that but now the situation seemed even more confused than ever before.
And about the Cesc story - let him go. His body language was not right last season at all. I don't believe the fans can accept him any longer playing whilst every man and his dog knows the guy is dreaming of the Nou Camp. If he does stay, he certainly cannot remain Captain but considering how little value Wenger sees in the armband, it wouldn't shock me to see Cesc walk onto the pitch with it. If so, would be interesting to see the reaction from the stands
I'd rather see a changed Wenger, one that isn't blind to his players flaws - and in this case their mindset - and be upfront about it to the fans and announce they will most likely leave. That type of comment, whilst on the surface negative, would be refreshing to hear.
Vivalaraza
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Telegraph reporting Chelsea have bid £27m for Modric. Spurs gon' be mad. Pisstake tbh.
K1LLER7 said:
fuck kaka
there, i said it
mofo risks career ending injury and plays in the wc and then has to have an operation (which was successful but if it wasn't he would have to retire) and misses half the season
when madrid signed kaka and ronaldo, i thought ronaldo wasn't worth his price tag but kaka was, boy was i wrong
i never thought i would dislike him but i do
di maria over kaka anyday
notice kaka isn't even on brazil nt these days
K1LLER7 said:SSN reporting that sneijder doesn't want to leave and would only go if inter wanted him to. Inter manager saying they want to keep him. Looks like neither nasri or sneijder are old trafford bound
not surprised
sneidjer is a loyal dude
he didn't want to leave madrid but was forced to
if he wasn't injured so much @ his time in madrid, he wouldn't have been sold, just not meant to be i guess
immortal-joe
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anonnumber6 said:
I think this has more to do with Madrid chasing players they know want to play for Madrid. Some other clubs often "flirt" wit players long after they (or their agents) have expressed a desire to stay at the current club - or move to another specified club.
At that point just move along, you're not gonna get that player.
Just my two cents...
Meus Renaissance said:
The fact of the matter is that after Cesc's dealings last summer of coming out and saying he wants to leave, and then staying, nothing will change Arsenal fans minds unless something drastic happens. Is it bullshit? Sure. But to us Arsenal fans, or most of us, Barca is the bad guy. Cesc has proven he is loyal to us, and he will stay and do what he has to if Barca don't pay up. He knows this, and he's a professional that way. We know he wants to leave, but we also know he is resolved to stay till they pay up.
Vivalaraza
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Meus Renaissance said:
The way the press are reporting it is strange, this is exactly what Wenger said;
For me, "I say yes" is the crucial line. That to me sounds like he is happy to let him run down a contract, but other people at the club won't allow that. Doesn't sound confident to me on Nasri or Cesc tbh. Quite vague.
farhatraza said:
To me it sounds like he may be hoping Arsenal wins a trophy and convinces Nasri to stay. Only problem is, if that backfires and Nasri decides to leave regardless of what happens next season, that could be a 20 million pound mistake. Who knows whats going on...I sure as hell don't.
No no no no no. We need Cesc in our team and there is nothing wrong with his body language. Cesc loves Arsenal, there is no disputing that, but above that he is far too valuable to just throw away for a measly 35million.Meus Renaissance said:
Cesc is worth more than money to this current Arsenal side.
TFF just announced that the league will go as planned on the 5th of August.
Fenerbahce and Besiktas will play out the Turkish Super Cup on the 31st of July.
Fenerbahce will play in the group stages of the Champions League.
So basically, haters gonna hate and present insufficient evidence cause they refuse to believe that we are the best fucking football team in Turkey.
Fenerbahce and Besiktas will play out the Turkish Super Cup on the 31st of July.
Fenerbahce will play in the group stages of the Champions League.
So basically, haters gonna hate and present insufficient evidence cause they refuse to believe that we are the best fucking football team in Turkey.
Lightning said:
I know this will never happen, but we need to sign his replacement this summer. I know that for the most part, Ramsey is this player, but I think we need someone else regardless. With Cesc being injured frequently, we should seriously just sign a versatile attacking front player who can replace him in the future. While Mata would be this player, it doesn't look like he's going to leave Valencia this year. If not Mata, I think we should sign Keisuke Honda. Wenger has talked of his admiration of him before, and he can play across the front in all attacking positions (minus striker). This way we can prepare for the future without him.
If we let him go this summer we would be very vulnerable, and if we do this any summer without already having a player in the wings to take over, we could be screwed. There is no guarantee whoever we bring in to replace him will work, and it seems like signing a replacement now would be better. There's no harm in having a few extra players, but then again this is Arsenal we are talking about, which means this won't happen.
Sneijder is one of my favorite players in football. It's such a shame he was injured during his stint at Madrid.
As for Kaka, I would much rather see him on the pitch instead of Di Maria. Di Maria makes too many mistakes and is a liability in big games. So it would be great if Kaka found his form again :/
As for Kaka, I would much rather see him on the pitch instead of Di Maria. Di Maria makes too many mistakes and is a liability in big games. So it would be great if Kaka found his form again :/
Greyface said:
hahaha oh wow, the Liverpool one is perfect
I don't think we have any Liverpool fans like that here, but the whole "this could be our year"/stereotypical Liverpool fan rambling pre-season is so fucking hilarious. Especially when you know people, who actually say stuff like that to your face
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