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FootballSoccerFútbolFussball Thread 2010/2011 |OT2|
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MarshMellow96
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MONEYBALLYEAH
cartoon_soldier
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LabouredSubterfuge said:
That's more than Ashley Young...
Cerebral Assassin
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cartoon_soldier said:
Young only had a year left on his contract.
MarshMellow96
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Hey guys I heard Messi just runs fast.
bad comparison, I know
Cerebral Assassin
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WJD said:
Wow, I didn't see that, thats um, a interesting viewpoint.
Meus Renaissance said:
Well, you mean one of thee best passers of a football of his generation?
Beckham also had work ethic and commitment in spades. He's an intelligent player. He could tackle. His distribution of a football was second to none. A set piece specialist. Pace might not have been his biggest attribute, but he was never slow either and his ability to deliver a ball around an encroaching full back made up for not being naturally quick enough to beat his man like other wide players.
He might not have had as broader variety of attributes as some of his peers, particularly at Madrid such as Zidane and Ronaldo, but what he could do he was pretty much best in class at.
Beckham also captained his country and has represented 3 of the biggest club sides in the world, even towards the end of his career.
With all due respect they're really not comparable.
I wonder who said, before the season even ended, that we would only ever going to sell him for £20m. But nooooooooo "he's only worth £12m-£15m".
Now my ego massaging is over with... Have fun with him Liverpool. You'll get workman like performances every game and a player with more talent than he's given credit for.
Now my ego massaging is over with... Have fun with him Liverpool. You'll get workman like performances every game and a player with more talent than he's given credit for.
Joel Was Right
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Yurt said:
Joel Was Right
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Mat C said:
Beckham's primary, if not only, asset was his distribution. No one did it better. But he's not really my type of player - he's never excited me.
Meus Renaissance said:
Is your interest in watching a player the same as their specific role in the success of a side?
Also, are we talking about Beckham the 35 year old now, or Beckham during his prime? I really don't think there's much to compare between Beckham at his best, playing for England and Madrid, and Donovan who has failed in Germany and spent half a season on loan at Everton.
Joel Was Right
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elsk said:
Donovan was awesome playing in the PL. His dribbling, penetration and timing into the box saw him grab a few goals I remember. He was certainly one of the players on the pitch that would immediately catch your eye.
Current Villa line up:
-------------------- <..........> --------------------
<..........> ------ Collins -- Dunne ----- Warnock
----------------- Makoun -- Delph -----------------
Albrighton --------- Ireland ----------- <..........>
----------------------- Bent ------------------------
Assuming that because Ireland has been given #7 he'll be given his chance to play and I highly doubt he's playing in a central pairing of two.
I think Given, Hutton and N'Zogbia to join within the next two weeks. Given is pretty much nailed on I would say to happen over the weekend. Maybe another central midfielder too before the end of August.
-------------------- <..........> --------------------
<..........> ------ Collins -- Dunne ----- Warnock
----------------- Makoun -- Delph -----------------
Albrighton --------- Ireland ----------- <..........>
----------------------- Bent ------------------------
Assuming that because Ireland has been given #7 he'll be given his chance to play and I highly doubt he's playing in a central pairing of two.
I think Given, Hutton and N'Zogbia to join within the next two weeks. Given is pretty much nailed on I would say to happen over the weekend. Maybe another central midfielder too before the end of August.
Meus Renaissance said:
That's fair enough, but with all due respect Beckham's importance to the sides he represented was always more important than exciting somebody.
Teams often need "ugly" players, be it the centre back who'se primary job is to kick any strikers that come near them before hoofing the ball as clear away from danger as possible, or the central midfielder who sits back to mop up loose balls in the middle of the park. Not everybody who plays football is there for direct entertainment.
Beckham's role was always important. His ball delivery was a huge asset in attack and his work rate and determination was often crucial defensively. I'm neither a fan of Manchester United or Real Madrid so can't comment on his performances for either of them, but for England Beckham was utterly crucial. He was our stand out World class asset (and I'd place him above Lampard, Gerrard, Terry, Ferdinand, Cole and anyone else of that generation you might care to mention). It was pretty telling that when England fans and the media made him our scapegoat, and the FA appointed a man spineless enough to listen, Beckham was dropped and England failed to qualify for Euro 2008. That wasn't the only reason we didn't qualify, but it played it's part massively.
If you don't enjoy watching Beckham play, all power to you. He isn't and never has been the type of player to sprint past 4 players then fire one into the top corner. But he's got plenty of attributes in his locker and at both international and national level for some of the worlds top club sides, his contribution has always been massive.
Joel Was Right
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Mat C said:
I never judge players on their success but rather their individual talent of which Landon, I feel, has more of although admittedly not in terms of distribution when compared to Beckham. Similarly, Gerard Pique and Carlos Puyol are arguably critical to Barcelona's success but you won't ever hear me, or anyone, talk about them amongst the greatest footballers. I mean there is a reason why strikers or attacking players in general have the mindshare of most fans when it comes to 'the best' because although they may never achieve success (a long list of great players that failed to win much), they excite us with their skills.
I personally recognise the exciting players above those who may not provide as much excitement but play equally, if not more, of a role in the success of their team. In lamen terms, it doesn't matter if David won 10 European cups and 3 World Cups and Landon won nothing.
Who knows what role Landon could have played if signed by a big club in the last few years. It would not have surprised me if he became an important first choice selection; he is good enough.
So would I if I wanted more of an attacking wide man. As it is we need an out and out winger with a great delivery and a decent amount of pace, and in that category, Downing is better. Although this isn't me shitting on Young, I think he's a good player, just don't see how he's better than Nani or Valencia. We however have no real competition on the wings.K1LLER7 said:i'd have ashley young...united bias
Can't wait for next season to start. More tickets to be bought in the morning, set my alarm for 8am.
Jeff Albertson
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Anything over £10m at most for Downing is ridiculous.
Trouble at Rovers, Venkys aren't coming good with the promises of money at all, the latest is we have Pavone and Maiches brother on trial. Rumours circulating of another takeover by the Bugshan family ($7b worth) but not a chance it will happen.
A tenner on Rovers to go down would be a good bet
Trouble at Rovers, Venkys aren't coming good with the promises of money at all, the latest is we have Pavone and Maiches brother on trial. Rumours circulating of another takeover by the Bugshan family ($7b worth) but not a chance it will happen.
A tenner on Rovers to go down would be a good bet
Jeff Albertson
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I don't understand why people are going for Downing when Nzogbia is better and cheaper.
Meus Renaissance said:
I agree with you. It's like people who moan about George Best. "Never won a World Cup", as if that makes him a bad player. It's nonsense. Football is a team game. One player cannot win a World Cup by themselves. It's not George Best's fault he was Northern Irish.
I agree with you, it's down to the individual and not their trophy haul.
Where we'll agree to disagree is in your other point. Entertainment is fine, that's how many (but not all) of the worlds greatest players will be remembered. Like I said before, every team needs it's fair share of "unattractive" players to get the job done. Unfortunately we don't live in fantasy football land. If, as you even said yourself, an unattractive player is more important to the success of the team than a player who offers less but is more exciting to watch, then personally I don't value that as highly.
Entertainment is subjective at the end of the day. I'm not and never have been a believer that entertainment starts and ends with dribbling runs or tricks.
Gareth Bale
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Jeff Albertson said:
Wes said:
Downing is worth £18 million to Villa. I don't think he's worth £18 million to Liverpool.
Joel Was Right
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Yurt said:
Well if you had a variety of exercises that ranged to test the ability of a player e.g. dribbling, acceleration, finishing, tackling, stamina, close control etc and you gave them a mark for each one and the one with the most points would be a 'better footballer'. Let's say for example I am one of these players and alongside me is Xavi. I score higher than him in every exercise other than vision and distribution. Who is the better player? Now, lets say I'm put in the Xavi role in midfield in a match and I perform badly. Now following that logic, let's play Xavi out of his natural role and elsewhere and see how he performs; would he do as well? Unlikely. I'm not saying just because you're more of a complete player that it equates to a greater impact in games, but it does mean that you are - technically - capable of filling in more roles equally as well. In football terms, we sometimes call these players 'utility players' or just versatile.
John O'Shea is more versatile than John Terry, and so by definition, is a more complete player and therefore can be said a better footballer but he is not a better player, because we judge the latter in terms of their impact in their selected role. Terry as a central defender is amongst the best, whilst O'Shea is not great at any role despite being able to do more than Terry.
I only used this 'complete' player in the context of players who essentially have one asset, although a greatly effective one. Andrey Arshavin is a more complete player than a legend that is Andrea Pirlo, as I cited earlier. The Russian is more talented but he'll never perform a role as well as Pirlo did his. But I still consider AA a better football player. Adebayor is a better footballer player than Inzaghi but won't be remembered as the better player etc
LabouredSubterfuge
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mil6es said:somehow I fancy our.......chances
Flawless thinking. But I'm not sure why you guys didn't go for Davies or Brunt or even Barton. I mean you could've got them for even cheaper and just look at those stats!!
Joel Was Right
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Signing of the season if true
Gareth Bale
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Desmond said:
:lol
Grover Cleveland
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GQman2121 said:
Bullshit.
My sources say he is actually on his way to Boston as we speak.
Tim the Wiz
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New England Revolution vs Manchester United pre-season friendly about to begin.
Lindegaard; Rafael, Evans, Vidic, Fabio; Nani, Carrick, Anderson, Young; Rooney, Berbatov.
Subs: Amos, Johnstone, Evra, Ferdinand, Park, Giggs, Obertan, Owen, Macheda, Diouf.
Lindegaard; Rafael, Evans, Vidic, Fabio; Nani, Carrick, Anderson, Young; Rooney, Berbatov.
Subs: Amos, Johnstone, Evra, Ferdinand, Park, Giggs, Obertan, Owen, Macheda, Diouf.
LabouredSubterfuge
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mil6es said:
They were? But I thought you guys were buying based on 'clever' stat based decision making. Frankly I think you've been taken for a ride again on another over-priced Englishman with less than a whole good season under their belt but time will out.
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