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Football Premier League fans..is Salah as good as Prime Messi?

mekes

Member
No I believe he is a rung or 2 below from the top of the ladder. He is world class but I don't believe he competes for the status of best ever. However, his story isn't finished yet.
 
And Ronaldo is a more complete player than Messi.
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DKehoe

Gold Member
No. Similar to your thread about how Mbappe compares to a young Messi, Salah is a great player, one of the best in the world right now. But there’s a difference between “only” being one of the best players in the world at any given moment and being in the discussion for the best ever. As good as Salah is no one is talking about him in those terms like they do with Messi.
 
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Porcile

Member
Salah is a form player. Great while he is on form, not really anything special when he isn't. He isn't the same as Messi, Ronaldo, OG Ronaldo, Maradona, Zidane etc who were pretty much phenomenally consistent even in their down periods.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Lol. No.

Prime Messi is far better than prime Salah. Correct me if I'm wrong as I CBA to look, but in the 2011/2012 season Messi scored over 70 goals. That's just goals.

Although Salah is a world class player, Prime Messi was unstoppable and is one of the greatest players to grace the sport. Salah wouldn't even make the bench of my all time dream team.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Depends what you mean by better.
Better at playing football? No.
But prime Sala is more effective and better in scoring goals and winning games than prime Messi.

Can you explain the logic of this one please? Salah is better at scoring goals and winning matches? Messi has won far more silverware than Salah, and in the goals catgoo it's not even close.

By the time he was 30, Messi had scored over 500 goals for Barcelona.

At 30, Salah hasn't even scored 200 goals in his whole professional career.
 
Can you explain the logic of this one please? Salah is better at scoring goals and winning matches? Messi has won far more silverware than Salah, and in the goals catgoo it's not even close.

By the time he was 30, Messi had scored over 500 goals for Barcelona.

At 30, Salah hasn't even scored 200 goals in his whole professional career.
We're talking about prime Sala vs prime Messi.
Lifetime achievements don't matter in that comparison.
If you need to win a random game with a random team, you're more likely to win it with Sala than Messi.
It's a relative metric, i could also crunch some numbers to make that clear, but that would be a ton of work.

think of expected goals vs opponent defense and Sala will outscore Messi in that
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
We're talking about prime Sala vs prime Messi.
Lifetime achievements don't matter in that comparison.
If you need to win a random game with a random team, you're more likely to win it with Sala than Messi.
It's a relative metric, i could also crunch some numbers to make that clear, but that would be a ton of work.

think of expected goals vs opponent defense and Sala will outscore Messi in that

Messi hit his prime at a lot younger age than Salah.

Prime Messi scored more goals than prime Salah.

Prime Messi got more assists than Prime Salah.

Prime Messi was technically better than Prime Salah.

Tell me where I'm going wrong here, because if we compare the stats for both then Messi blows Salah out of the water.

It would take minutes to look at the stars above and show prime Messi was better than prime Salah. If your stats that day otherwise would take a ton of work to crunch numbers to make your argument then it's already failed. I'm talking about real world stats, not number crunching expected goals by putting players in random teams.
 
I'm not into football that much, I would say that Messi was a generational talent and much superior. Salah isn't a scrub and extremely effective for Liverpool, but some of these comments are painting him as a scrub.
 
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Batiman

Banned
It’s weird you’re asking premiere league fans. If that’s all they watch then they won’t have a valid opinion on messi in la liga
 

Sleepwalker

Member
We're talking about prime Sala vs prime Messi.
Lifetime achievements don't matter in that comparison.
If you need to win a random game with a random team, you're more likely to win it with Sala than Messi.
It's a relative metric, i could also crunch some numbers to make that clear, but that would be a ton of work.

think of expected goals vs opponent defense and Sala will outscore Messi in that

Messi scored 91 goals in a single calendar year. 73 in his best scoring regular season.

Salah scored 44 goals in his best season ever.


So no, you're just plain wrong here. On whichever metric you choose Salah will be worse.
 

Fatmanp

Member
Absolutely not. Salah is a great player but nobody is even close to Messi. You can make hours long montages of elite play from Messi without including a single goal scored. His vision, dribbling and finishing at all ranges is unparalleled. His strongest attribute is none of those things but his football brain. Quite simply he is the by far and away the best player to ever play by a considerable distance.
 

DKehoe

Gold Member
We're talking about prime Sala vs prime Messi.
Lifetime achievements don't matter in that comparison.
If you need to win a random game with a random team, you're more likely to win it with Sala than Messi.
It's a relative metric, i could also crunch some numbers to make that clear, but that would be a ton of work.

think of expected goals vs opponent defense and Sala will outscore Messi in that
No he won't.

You can look at Messi's xG here and Salah's here. If we're talking about "prime" for expected goals then lets say it's their highest xG in a season. Salah's highest has been 25.14 in 17/18. Messi's is 35.89 in 14/15.
 

thegame983

Member
Messi is the best player since Prime Zidane.

I would nerd out more (and have done) on Messi, but he went to PSG so fuck that guy.
 

Banjo64

cumsessed
Gerrard; 1 CL, 2 FA Cups, 3 League Cups. Played with players like Torres, Alonso, Macsherano, Suarez, Sterling and that’s his trophy haul. 17 seasons; only scored more than 7 league goals on 7 occasions.

De Bruyne; 4 PL, 1 FA Cup, 5 League Cups. 7 seasons; stats shit all over slippy G’s.

The only way in which Gerrard has De Bruyne beat is in number of DJs twatted on CCTV that failed to yield a conviction. In which case, it’s 1-0.

As if Gerrard can even be classed as a generational midfielder to begin with, David Silva was a better player over his 10 seasons too, and that’s not even close either.

Lampard was a gentleman and had the statistics and trophy haul to back him up. Gerrard, just a rat.
 

Rbk_3

Member
Gerrard; 1 CL, 2 FA Cups, 3 League Cups. Played with players like Torres, Alonso, Macsherano, Suarez, Sterling and that’s his trophy haul. 17 seasons; only scored more than 7 league goals on 7 occasions.

De Bruyne; 4 PL, 1 FA Cup, 5 League Cups. 7 seasons; stats shit all over slippy G’s.

The only way in which Gerrard has De Bruyne beat is in number of DJs twatted on CCTV that failed to yield a conviction. In which case, it’s 1-0.

As if Gerrard can even be classed as a generational midfielder to begin with, David Silva was a better player over his 10 seasons too, and that’s not even close either.

Lampard was a gentleman and had the statistics and trophy haul to back him up. Gerrard, just a rat.

De Bruyne also plays on a team with unlimited dirty UAE oil money and is still barely squeaking out those PL Championships all the while choking in CL in a year in year out bases.
 

Banjo64

cumsessed
De Bruyne also plays on a team with unlimited dirty UAE oil money and is still barely squeaking out those PL Championships all the while choking in CL in a year in year out bases.
Reads like a certified r/soccer post :messenger_tears_of_joy: Well done.
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
You are comparing a damn good modern player to the greatest ever. Sorry but Lionel Messi has done an insurmountable amount of things that have been pretty inspiring. Go watch a highlight reel or 10.
 
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I've been a Liverpool fan since I was 5 years old and have cried tears of joy at times due to my wonderful club but even I would have to admit that he is not even on the same planet as Messi.

Salah is one of the best players in the world right now; Messi is one of the best ever. Personally, I would say Maradona was even better but Salah would have to improve by a great magnitude to be on the same level as either of them.
 
Not even close. It's not even a valid question or one worth asking.

Salah is class but not that sort of level is miles and miles away.

Salah is about as close to prime Messi as Wilfired Bony was to Prime Aguero
 
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