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Football Thread 2011/12 |OT10| Silverware, promotion, survival, relegation and tears
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sheamus much?
bonesmccoy
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So with AVB, Liverpool fans would be open to another season of middling results? I guess most would, since there would at least be the appearance of a trajectory.
Thats a shame. The hype around Bojan during his youth career was insane. I remember him being called the next Messi.
He's still young though so he has a chance of making it.
whats to say avb wouldnt do a great job with liverpool? each coaches successes/failures dont always reflect what they do with the next club, unless theyre completely shit
He still can be the spanish Marko Marin.
Struggle along for a few years, regain some form and then move to Chelsea?
Regain some form? This was his worst season!
Marko Marin will be the Downing of Chelsea.
I assumed Chelsea signed hm because he was playing decently with Bremen?
If he hasn't been playing well then the Chelsea move doesn't make much sense.
I want to know who Chriswok thinks the next manager should be, because he's been right so far on just about everything. 
I think they just bought him because when you weigh his potential with his cost, he comes out favorably.
I think they just bought him because when you weigh his potential with his cost, he comes out favorably.
I'm guessing it was more like Bremen trying to sell him ASAP. They're selling all their remaining "stars" to start a new project with only their youngsters.
He had on of his worst seasons, because the coach decided to use him as #10 and he doesn't work that well there... Chelsea surely got him because a) he was cheap, b) he looks like Messi.
thats why everyone was so surprised here in germany. he didnt even play much either. mostly sitting on the bench.
no he doesnt
I'm just enjoying the rejuvenation of the Cult of Rafa.
ITK loon on RAWK said:
I'm almost crying.
no he doesnt
I know
but hey I had to give a 2nd reason!He had his good moments, like their match against Tottenham (or Inter?) in the CL last season. He and Pizarro were amazing the whole 90 minutes.
How much can they improve under anyone with the roster as it's currently constructed?
Of the teams that finished above them, which should they expect to overtake, considering their talent? Everton, probably. Newcastle, if they lose players or if this season was a fluke (and I'm not sure it was). Arsenal, maybe, if they lose RVP (though they always manage to finish top four).
Obviously, there will be roster turnover for all teams, but it will be tough to crack the top four or five for any new manager.
Unless Rafa, Lucas, and Aquilani are reunited. Then all bets are off.
Anybody see this? Pretty interesting read about transfer fees. Sorry if it's already been posted.
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2006-2011.html
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/2006-2011.html
They really should have a monster academy.
Even though I'm a United fan, I still love Arsenal though, just for what they bring to the game. Wenger's a freaking genius for doing what he has done so far for Arsenal. Sure, no trophies, but like this season, nobody would have expected their 3rd place finish.
If he had a just a bit more money to work with or want to spend, Arsenal would be beastly.
The Arsenal youth culture is a strange thing imo.
They have plenty of good young players but no players that can be labelled as "great". Wilshere has a chance but he's running the risk of becoming a permacrock.
Wenger made the mistake of getting rid of his experienced players much too soon.
They have plenty of good young players but no players that can be labelled as "great". Wilshere has a chance but he's running the risk of becoming a permacrock.
Wenger made the mistake of getting rid of his experienced players much too soon.
Vivalaraza
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Arsenal are still a side who flatter to decieve for me. They came back well after a terrible start to the season but they were still well off silverware and continued to show defensive frailties towards the end of the season. I think their possession game wasn't as good as it has been in the past this season.
Still a lot of work that needs to be done with that side. 4/5 players off a title challenging side IMO.
Still a lot of work that needs to be done with that side. 4/5 players off a title challenging side IMO.
Yeah, it's odd. Maybe, it's just been because of injury, but you never see Wilshere's name mentioned along with the likes of M'Villa, Gotze, Hazard, Neymar, etc..
I still believe though, he has the potential to be truly world class and be the "Paul Scholes," England needs.
9 years ago Rooney was getting the hype that Gotze/Hazard are getting now. And he's lived up to that hype imo. He's a truly world class player.
Since Rooney, there hasn't been an English footballer that has lived up to the hype. Like I said, Wilshere has all the tools to be a very, very good midfielder. He just needs to keep fit.
I realise that this post might not make sense. Its a quarter to 7 in the morning and I haven't slept.
Since Rooney, there hasn't been an English footballer that has lived up to the hype. Like I said, Wilshere has all the tools to be a very, very good midfielder. He just needs to keep fit.
I realise that this post might not make sense. Its a quarter to 7 in the morning and I haven't slept.
What would you say of Cleverly actually? You think he has world class potential?
I dunno, Wilshere was hyped up way beyond any of those (besides maybe Neymar) after the 2-1 against Barcelona at the Emirates last season - I think it's a combination of injury (probably end up like Ramsey; a talent, but a shadow of what could've been) and he hasn't shown any signs of wanting to move, unlike M'Vila, Hazard, and Neymar who have been linked with clubs for years. Maybe the Ox can become another great player
hoping for the next gareth bale, rather than the next theo. plz.
Watch how you answer.
At this stage, Clev looks like he could be important in a world class midfield rather than world class himself.
No.
I think he could become a very decent footballer for us but not world class. He adds dynamism to Uniteds midfield and can pick out a decent pass but that certainly isn't enough to rank him amongst the worlds best.
I think United fans hype him up so much because he offers something a bit different to all our other midfielders.
Vivalaraza
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No.
Wilshere is going to be a top player. I'm sure of it. Unless his injuries really get in his way there is no reason for him not to. He was tremendous in his one full season at Arsenal, that was just a taster of things to come. He has been seen as a top talent since his days in the youth sides, he is far more gifted than any young English player right now that I've seen (apart from maybe Morrison but he's just a prick). Wilshere will be great, whether he can be an elite top 10 in the world player we'll find out, alot of that is down to luck and mental strength.
Not even a "not yet" ? Trouble brews between us.
lol This is funny.
Agreed. Arsene has completlely lost it when it comes to developing defenders and forwards, but he still has a knack with midfielders. And no one knows mental strength like Arsene. Hopefully Ramsey can come back too... he's had glimpses of promise, like the win over United last season, but when you miss a year right when you're really developing... that shit sets you back. I used to rate Ramsey over Wilshere before the leg-break... though Ramsey's game is a bit more physical, more box-to-box than Wilshere's, so we'll see how he recovers from the injury and how heavily he's used next season.
Ramsey played too much football this season. He needed to be eased into the team after recovering from his leg break but the injury to Wilshere screwed that up.
I think he has a lot of potential but asking him to be a major part of the midfield was too much. Especially after just coming back from a serious injury.
I think he has a lot of potential but asking him to be a major part of the midfield was too much. Especially after just coming back from a serious injury.
You didn't read all my post did you? Or you don't understand where I'm coming from, but I'm ok with it.
I just think it's untrue. Paying fuck-off huge wages means you diminish your capacity to dial wages down. Win the league or not. Go far in the CL or not. All that means is more money coming in, not that players and agents will settle for less.
*Insert City player/City transfer target* doesn't sit down with his agent and think to himself "Wow, City really are a super Big Club now. I don't need as much money. I'm just happy being at such a Big Club. Good old trophies".
But if you look to the long term future of the club, by 2027 they want in their own words measurable commitment to maintaining a percentage of the first team squad as home grown from 2027.
So if City can bring good enough youth talent through there is no reason why the wage bill can't fall in line with most other clubs.
Fuck, Jeff_Albertson might not live to see the day. I expect to be watching football through a brain implant by that time.
Haha, I'll be the same, although it's only nearing midnight here. Probably too nervous to sleep.
Pretty sure we'll see the fruit of it before that time though.
Cleverly is the best thing we've produced in years and years. He is going to take the world class to the next level. Vote cleverly for president. Woo¬T!
Every club wants that. It seems like for years Chelsea have been pumping money into their youth system, chopping and changing constantly and paying big sums for the best 16 yr olds. It has produced fuck all.
Even for the teams who lack oil money producing a lot of youth talent is very difficult, it is even harder when the owners demand constant success and can simply buy up talented players to fill any position. Arsenal have just about managed to have a large number of youth players and remain in the champions league, but it has still come at the cost of no silverware since 04. I cannot see City being any different from Chelsea in the end, promising much but being too impatient to give youth and the youth systems a chance.
i heard hamburg loves to buy them haha
3D movie theatres here are showing the CL final but it's at 3:45 in the morning... Traveling pretty much makes it impossible for me to get a power nap, watch the game then sleep again, like I originally planned.
Salazar, what are you planning on doing? The sensible or the unresponsible?
I'm going to be nice and concede a point about Cleverly: he may never be "world class" but he may become the kind of player who fits in a world class team. I honestly haven't seen enough of him to say, but he does seem to keep up with the team when they're on the ball and that's a good sign.
Salazar, what are you planning on doing? The sensible or the unresponsible?
I'm going to be nice and concede a point about Cleverly: he may never be "world class" but he may become the kind of player who fits in a world class team. I honestly haven't seen enough of him to say, but he does seem to keep up with the team when they're on the ball and that's a good sign.
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