DOBERMAN INC
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Please be true.This plus the no playoffs clarification is great news.
Please be true.This plus the no playoffs clarification is great news.
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Football Thread 2011/12 |OT10| Silverware, promotion, survival, relegation and tears
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Our wing players are all about pace.
Honest question: Is Gomez the problem or Ribery / Robben and Bayern's playstale?
This Barcelona-lite just doesnt seem work. I can see Robben fitting well into a fast pace counter-attacking team like Dortmund but even then he couldnt shoot as much from of the outside the area as he does now. On the other hand i dont think that Lewandowski playing for Bayern would change that much, as he would basically be in the same position as Gomez: Inside the area without any /few quality crosses or passes.
Jeff Albertson
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Congrats Chelsea I really wanted them to win so that Torres was 100% redeemed in his decision to move there
Shame he didn't get the winner mind
Shame he didn't get the winner mind
Its sad that I could probably list those 10 players that would leave and I wouldn't give a fuck.
UNICEF?
The Incarnation
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We should flog Gervinho while we're at it.
Plus there is Arshavin to sell as well, I think?
Congrats, winning the thing the way you guys did (totally undeserved
) must feel like the greatest thing in the world. I just hope that Roman now loses his interest in football and starts a Formula 1 team or something like that
See, as an Arsenal fan, I really find Abramovich rather appealing as an owner. You can just see the child-like glee on his face when his team wins shit; it really is just an expensive toy to him. He just wants to have the best team in the world, and will buy (and ruin... though Torres has been looking excellent lately) vanity signings just for the hell of it.
By comparison, Shiek Monsour is just dull. city buys Arsenal players, Arsenal targets, and, on occasion, an extra player that they don't need, just to give their transfer rivals the middle finger. tevez, bridge, santa cruz lolol, there's no regard for... anything. there's no personality. just money money money.
also YES YES YES @ Chamakh/Bendtner news. I actually like Chamakh (Wenger ruined him, he should've been next Adebayor), but this will force Wenger to buy a half decent striker. Park should be on his way out too... unless he's forgotten he's still on the payroll.
Phantast2k
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So? Klose at Bayern was not the Klose we know and love.
Also yt comments: "Close... but not Klose enough"
I think Klose would fit a lot more than Gómez in the style of play we played this season.
And yeah, obviously Gómez sucks. I've been saying it all season long... I can't believe our replacement for Ribéry was putting Olic as LW haha, I don't even know how we managed to get this far.
Your wing players (Robbery), yes, but your fullbacks not so much. I'm saying Lahm is a very skilled player who can get by without pace. Giggs reinvented himself when he lost pace and I'm sure Lahm can do the same.
I think Lahm deserved to win today and his career should have been rewarded with an international title by now but let's not say the eulogies just yet.
Vivalaraza
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FC Bayern fans - Chin. Up. That's all that you can say really. A season of heart-breaks for you guys, coming 2nd is all the competitions but you guys should be real proud of your team. It's done really well this season and been unlucky, also played great football whenever I've watched them and for the most part behaved in a good spirit.
The team and players couldn't bring you guys silverware this year but the club remains a great one and the foundations for success are there. I'm sure you guys will get it. The sad times makes the good ones all that much sweeter.
Chelsea-GAF - I was rooting for Bayern but I am genuinley happy for you guys and for pretty much all your players apart from Terry. They've performed so well in the CL over the years and it would have been a shame if they never managed to win it. They've done that now. It was lucky, sure. But you need some luck, it was written more like.
Spurs fans - Well...sorry, all you can say really.
The team and players couldn't bring you guys silverware this year but the club remains a great one and the foundations for success are there. I'm sure you guys will get it. The sad times makes the good ones all that much sweeter.
Chelsea-GAF - I was rooting for Bayern but I am genuinley happy for you guys and for pretty much all your players apart from Terry. They've performed so well in the CL over the years and it would have been a shame if they never managed to win it. They've done that now. It was lucky, sure. But you need some luck, it was written more like.
Spurs fans - Well...sorry, all you can say really.
lol please. Chamakhs problem was he was competing with RVP for a spot. If he wasn't so shit then yeah maybe he would get a few subs and starts.
I know fans wouldn't wish for financial woes, but their constant referral to being a well run club is like trying to win a prize that no one else is competing for. I'm sure some would welcome a little more excitement.
The Incarnation
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We don't cross the ball, Chamakh never had a chance anyway, if we stuck Carrol in the Arsenal team he'd be even worse than he is at Liverpool.
Yet he'd be pretty good at Stoke.
we neded alaba for the penalties. not olic
kid has more balls than arjen 'the flying dutchman, diva, glass man' robben
The only one that had balls in your team was Neuer pretty much. United really missed on an amazing keeper (though De Gea is getting better).
10 players that should fuck off/that have been ruined by Wenger:
optional ones:
He's not a finisher. He's a target man. He holds the ball up, and should have been partnered in a 4-4-2. Adebayor rarely played as a lone striker at Arsenal, and Chamakh shouldn't have had to either. PArtner him with Bendtner. Partner him with RVP. Partner him with fucking theo. RVP staying fit ruined him, sadly, but they should've been able to coexist if it were not for Wenger's idiotic insistence on playing 4-3-3 (which is really a 4-5-1 since there's zero goal threat from the wings AND the wingers are almost always shit crossers.)
- Chamakh
- Bendtner
- Squillaci (!!!!!)
- Fabianksi
- Arshavin
- Vela
optional ones:
- RVP (time to cash out folks!)
- Theo (please.)
- Diaby (!!!!!!!)
- Santos
He's not a finisher. He's a target man. He holds the ball up, and should have been partnered in a 4-4-2. Adebayor rarely played as a lone striker at Arsenal, and Chamakh shouldn't have had to either. PArtner him with Bendtner. Partner him with RVP. Partner him with fucking theo. RVP staying fit ruined him, sadly, but they should've been able to coexist if it were not for Wenger's idiotic insistence on playing 4-3-3 (which is really a 4-5-1 since there's zero goal threat from the wings AND the wingers are almost always shit crossers.)
Grover Cleveland
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That would explain how they beat Madrid.
Well that's Chamakh's problem. Can't play with his feet but wants to play at Arsenal. Plz go
Tbf he did have some good games but he looks like he doesn't give a shit 100% of the time which is fucking annoying. He is like Arshavin with less talent.
kingellesar
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DOBERMAN INC
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Denilson too.I'd rather keep Fabianski and offload Almunia or bring in a new GK and get rid of both.
Molde have a match tomorrow, Thursday and the following Monday. It'll be the days directly after the games where we'll see any action.
Thanks for the kind words, you are 100% right but this final is something the players or the club will never be able to replicate.
In the interviews after the game you could see, that most players just felt dead on the inside. I guess for most Bayern executives, players and fans it would've been special to win this thing with a great albeight flawed squad.Kroos was creating chances all over the pitch, he assisted the goal. You don't really notice him but he's all over the place. And he scored long distance shoots against Manchester City and a other teams in the CL this season.
Still, he really lacks confidence. a critical free kicker taker as him should've took the second penalty.
Thanks for the kind words, you are 100% right but this final is something the players or the club will never be able to replicate.
Maybe the board gets that we need a proper bench. 90% of our bench was reserve team quality.
Lahm was a true captain for the first time. (IMO) He was very solid today, and took the first penalty despite missing the penalty in the RM match.
The Incarnation
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I think now would be a good time to sell Vermaelen to be honest, he has be terrible for the most part this season.
Personally I think Theo should be given a chance upfront, when he is in a goal scorer position he wants to score, on the wing it is average at best.
thanks. we will get over it somehow but it will haunt us for a very long time
Walcott yes, the rest no. RVP should stay one more year even if we have to let him on a free. It's not like the money will go towards anyone if we do sell him. Diaby just needs one season free of injuries. I see huge, fucking gigantic waves of potential in him and for that I'd keep him on.
Oh and how did you miss out Almunia lol
Edit:- Sell TV? Jesus Christ chill out lol
No it is just reassuring knowing that we won't do a Leeds
Well I suppose that's true! I can't help but feel like it is accepting that the team has reached its limit though, although the shuffle at the top kind of makes it impossible to circumvent that, well without the necessary sugar-daddy.
Freewheelin'
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I agree. Wenger will never sell him though lol
christ. I forgot Denilson was even still on our books... dear god, please get rid of him too.
Edit: Oh yeah, Almunia too lolol. No summer clearout is big enough for this Arsenal squad.
Alumnia is off contract at the end of the season I believe. He's basically gone already.
kingellesar
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I think we (Tottenham) have reached our limited. I can't see us challenging for the title the way we tried back in January, which would've been the perfect time to dip into some reserved funds and push on and most likely have finished third. As it stands we are now going into the season without CL football and the likes of Bale and Modric are going to be linked on a daily basis to City/United/Madrid/Barcelona. We could've built upon a 3rd place this season and attracted that special type of player that could potentially win us the title.~
Now we are faced with Europa League again, a competition which we won't take seriously and we could end up not only losing our best players but also fail to attract our transfer targets.
Tonight really did hit us hard and will do for a long time I fear, this could set us back several years.
Vivalaraza
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Thanks for the kind words, you are 100% right but this final is something the players or the club will never be able to replicate.
It will forever be a regret. A chance to win the European Cup at your home ground...it's just a dream. But then Bayern have come back from this before, 1999 for example.
It's two losses in 3 years in the final, that's tough. But it's the great clubs that come back from that and redeem themselves.
I don't know whether you will understand what I mean when I say this, but ask yourselves, is this Bayern side at it's peak, at it's very top level? Or could it get better. I think it can get much better. You have a core of young players and some clear weaknesses which I assume your management will amend. When a team is at it's peak and loses it's chance at glory that has to be really hard to take. Not saying this isn't a tough loss, it really is...but Bayern will be back and IMO, back stronger than they were tonight.
Hasphat'sAnts
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No team has ever lost a European Cup in such agonizing fashion. We've done it twice.
Feel gutted for him. He did everything right and would've become a club legend after saving and scoring that penalty. It's impossible to understand if you didnt follow the whole Neuer-saga at Bayern but if you had asked the die hard / ultra fan in the summer what Neuer would have to do to be loved by the fans, most of them wouldve laughed and said "well maybe i'll like him if he saves and scores a pentaly in the CL final." Seeing him really do it, elevated him to instant-legend status in my mind, only to have it all thrown away.
It's fair to say that he had the most pressure riding on hist penalty and he handled it perfectly. I just hope that even last Ultra will now realize that eventhough he's a "Schalker", he's one of the few players that really embodies the "Bayern-magic" of the past.
DOBERMAN INC
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The news gets better. Why we didn't sign Given when he was available is beyond me.
Made some huge mistakes but yeah I'd rather him than Mannone or Almunia.
DOBERMAN INC
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I worry that no one will buy Squillaci and co
We bought him, there has to be other stupid clubs with cash to burn.
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