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Football Thread 2011/2012 | OT12 | All the clowns were offside...
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Just saw this on .tv, RIP MikiFormer LFC player Miki Roque has died from cancerHe was only 23. He only made a couple appearances for the first team, but remember seeing a lot of him in the youth set up.
RIP
No we don't.
We have no good wingers, one unfit quality striker, a slow and ageing central defence, no genuine quality at right back, our best left back also has maybe one tournament left in him. Our central midfield tonight consisted of two 30+ year olds and one of whom is a rather average footballer who is having a nice twilight to his career.
Quarter final is about right for us. We did well in the group and came unstuck tonight.
I think we punch above our weight and the underachieving tag people like to slap about couldn't be any further from the truth.
For a nation as large as ours and considering how huge football is here, we SHOULD produce better players, we are underachieving there. But imo we do not underachieve with what we have currently.
Pirlo is a magnificent bastard, what a display of tekkers. I wish Scholes wanted to play internationals though i guess being overlooked by every English manager he played under gives him the right to not give a fuck.
Ashley Young with one of the worst performances i've ever seen and Pirlo with one of the best.
Ashley Young with one of the worst performances i've ever seen and Pirlo with one of the best.
Willkiller
Banned
Oh yeah totally, there's a reason I picked Young. Fucking wanker was useless again for 120 minutes.
We totally deserved to lose that game, which is probably why I thought we'd win the shootout
No genuine quality at RB? I think Johnson has been one of England's better players throughout. One or two iffy moments, but he's recovered well and made some key tackles and interceptions.
I wish he'd come to the WC.
But I'd settle for seeing the German team. I hope Bastian brings Sarah with him.
I know you Liverpool lot love him but I don't think he's the answer at RB for England and I can't be arsed to argue about it again.
Well Bild is running the Robben for Dzeko swap rumour (rumour!). And Kicker is saying that Martinez is awaiting an offer.
RM let Robben, Sneijder and Van der Vaart go.
we have cr7
Erm. Well if Young didn't play so shit we would have been okay. Walcott played well considering he is shit at club level, he still should have started ahead of Milner. Glen Johnson was probably our next best player behind the 30+ year olds your complaining about who played extremely well and gave it there all. We didn't lose a game so that slow defence worked. :s Italy also showed us age doesn't mean a thing in terms of ability. Rooney was shit and Andy Caroll was just well Andy Caroll.
Yeah we should be producing better players, but with what we've got we should be pushing further.
Letting Robben go would be too good to be true. :/
I think the Martínez transfer is going to be decided by the player, I'm pretty sure Bayern will pay the 40M if needed.
Actually I'm not a massive fan of his, and was quite critical of him at the beginning of last season. His defensive work and positioning has improved immensely in the past year. Kyle Walker is a quality RB too.
Tim the Wiz
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Flat 4-4-2. Play like Stoke. Don't nurture technical players. Pick a Premiership XI, not a squad focussed on a team ethic of posession, control, etc. - that is, attributes necessary when playing the top nations - but, rather, altogether tunnel-visioned on speed and strength. Use the Big Man in the Box as your ace in the hole, even when he doesn't actually win much more headers than other forwards, and lacks their quality in other areas.
Yup. England's future looks bright under Roy. I'll give him some consideration, though. As you say, he took on the job months before the tournament. But sorry, the future isn't looking too nice for you guys.
England have a potentially good side for the next World Cup, with young players like Wilshere and Welbeck, and if they reformed their youth structure as Germany did a decade ago, they could become a serious footballing power again, with time. But I doubt the stagnant conservatism of the current setup will allow it. Not to mention the surrounding appetite for immediate results, abetted by a destructive media.
José Mourinho
cocknose
Waste of time making this.
JT done the Chelsea fans proud.
JT done the Chelsea fans proud.
Robben is a curse man.
Broder Salsa
Banned
One of the best goalkeepers in Premier League might be a better title.
I thought Johnson has been our stand out defender, and he's earned the right to first choice rights over the shirt for me, but for some reason there's a complete lack of faith in his ability by both fans and seemingly management aside.
Somebody earlier mentioned that Milner was doing a good job because he was covering Johnson well and that was his job, which is fair enough in Hodgson's system and I generally agree, but this is international football. If your right back isn't good enough - or the management don't think is good enough - to cope without support from a right midfielder, then he shouldn't be playing. Milner either needs to be in the side because he's a benefit to the team in his own position or he shouldn't be playing. And if Hodgson doesn't think Johnson is good enough without that support, then what the fuck is Richards doing sat at home?
Terry has been the weak link for me at the back. He's a spent force at International level.
Bayer Leverkusen on verge of signing Universidad de Chile's Júnior Fernandes on a four-year deal, according to "Bild". About €3m fee.
I doubt Robben is going to be able, or want, to reinvent himself. He's going to keep doing his one trick and adding nothing to the team. I would drop Robben and Gómez (at least from the XI) if it was my decision.
I doubt Robben is going to be able, or want, to reinvent himself. He's going to keep doing his one trick and adding nothing to the team. I would drop Robben and Gómez (at least from the XI) if it was my decision.
Not really.
10 years ago Germany put into place a youth recruitment drive to find for all the talented young footballers Germany. They trained them in technique and skill and as a result they now have young players like Ozil, Gotze, Reus, Schurrle etc.
England are at least 10 years behind Germany when it comes to developing top quality young footballers. England still have some very good young players but they aren't being produced at the same rate as Germany.
poor owen
wat. International football is all about wingers overlapping with their full backs and providing cover for each other - for example, every single goal conceded against Portugal this tournament was on Ronaldo's flank, presumably because he rarely tracks back and drifts into the center. Granted, it's okay because Ronaldo is one of the best players in the world and has been a beast the past two matches, but England don't have that luxury. Portugal (and teams like Holland - who crashed out, mind you) is the exception to the rule.
As for Terry, he's far too slow. anyways, Walcott should be exclusively an impact sub because he's shit.
I agree with your overall point, but Carroll's aerial duels won % was the highest in the league last year.
Do you have replacements in mind, or you'd do it even with the current squad?
I assume you'd play Shaqiri and Müller as a striker?
Broder Salsa
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England should have picked up on Germany's shenanigans years and years ago.
Shaqiri as RW, yes. In the striker position I would bring someone else, I would even drop Gómez for Pizarro if Pizza is in form. I wouldn't mind playing Mueller as striker, tho.
Willkiller
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WE'LL WIN THE WORLD CUP IN TWO YEARS, EVERYTHING IS FINE.
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if me aunty had balls she'd be my uncle but she doesn't.
He should but he's played well in an England shirt about 3 times.
which wasn't good enough. You are destroying your own argument.
It worked well against France but was piss poor v Sweden, worrying against Ukraine and all at sea tonight. Italy created so many chances from simple, straight balls over the top it was embarrassing.
Eh? 3 of their outfield at kick off were over 30... and their ageing star ran the show, ours sat and admired.
We did well with what we have but trying to big up our team is exactly why the footballing world laughs at us. We're doing well to be 7th or wherever we are in the world rankings. We're better than most but miles away from the cream of the crop.
Ewww did I really just put that??
John Terry is lifting the World Cup.
Yep. Italy could have filled their boots just by putting balls over the top of a slow and flat footed back four. I've been watching third division football for the last two seasons and I can't remember seeing defending as shit as that too many times.
It was fucking toe curling at international level.
I don't think it would be responsible to make Shaqiri a guaranteed starter next season; the guy is only 20 and like Robben or not, he's still involved in most of Bayern's goals. There's probably a lot of shit going on on his mind right now... he possibly doesn't even want to stay at Bayern. But I do know that it's worth having him in the team. Dzeko would be a great buy, but not at Robben's cost. Especially because Dzeko isn't all that different from Gomez.
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