Hazard (20 goals) almost outscored Giroud (21) last season.
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Football Thread 2012/13 |OT7| Wilde things happen afer dark
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Hazard (20 goals) almost outscored Giroud (21) last season.
Yeah..but look at his penalty count..almost 50%
A goal is a goal
That's just silly. Pretty much anyone with a decent kick can score a penalty, even amateurs.
I think Ibra is a wonderfully talented and entertaining player but he's such a dickwallet that I can't include him in a top 10. He doesn't care about the team he plays for, he just cares about Ibra. He doesn't work hard, he dicks around on the ball all day, and he berates his team every time something doesn't go his way. Terrible douche.
Have you read his book? It's amazing how much he loves himself!
PSG is the perfect club for him, he can actually be bigger than the club for once.
His movement and positioning is top notch! Zonal marking (the website) made me appreciate him even more!
He's still 24.
His movement and positioning is top notch! Zonal marking (the website) made me appreciate him even more!
He's still 24.
PSG wins CL confirmed!
Phantast2k
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A great write-up on Dortmund and the Bundesliga (from a financial pov): The Swiss Ramble: Borussia Dortmund - Back In The Game
Some tidbits:
Some tidbits:
In 2011/12 Dortmunds revenue rose by an imposing 42% to a record 215 million (189 million excluding player sales), while pre-tax profits surged to a hefty 37 million. Despite higher bonus payments, the wage bill of less than 80 million can still be described as merely average for the Bundesliga.
Dortmunds revised, more sensible approach has been epitomised by their dealings in the transfer market. In the five years leading up to the fateful 2004/05 season, the clubs net spend was a chunky 97 million, before their debt problems forced them to offload players, generating surpluses over the next three years, followed by very modest spend, so that transfer income and expenses are balanced. Over the last nine years, the club had net sales proceeds of 5 million a stark contrast to their extravagant era.
In fact, over the last three seasons no fewer than nine clubs in Germanys top flight have spent more than Dortmunds net 2 million. In fairness, very few Bundesliga clubs spend big on transfers with the obvious exception being Bayern Munich, who spent 116 million in the same period. Dortmunds chairman, Hans-Joachim Watzke, accepted this discrepancy, I must point out that we continue to operate in different spheres. Bayern spent 70 million this year, including 40 million on Javi Martinez.
Thomas Treß added, We are not able to compete in the European soccer market with British or Spanish clubs in respect of transfer pricing. Thats true, but you can also add a few more countries to that list, as can be seen by the above graph, which highlights the massive difference with other leading Europe clubs. At one end of the spectrum, we have Dortmund with 2 million; at the other end, three clubs, fueled by oil-rich owners, have splashed out around a quarter of a billion pounds: Chelsea, Manchester City and Paris Saint-Germain.
It is clear that Borussia has developed itself economically and on a sporting level continuously over the last few years, as Watzke put it. The profits made in the last two seasons represent a spectacular turnaround, as the club had previously reported losses in five of the last six years, including 55 million in the annus horribilis of 2004/05 and 23 million the year after.
In comparison, Bayern Munich, the alpha male of the Bundesliga with 22 league titles and four Champions League victories, have made profits 19 years in a row, consistently bettering Dortmunds results off the pitch except last season, when the Schwarzgelbens 9.5 million was slightly higher than the Bavarians 8.8 million. Bayern will also have to go some to match Dortmunds 37 million in 2011/12.
Even though Dortmunds revenue has been going great guns, rising 80% (84 million), while Bayerns actually dipped 2 million last season, the gap between the two clubs is still a mighty 132 million. This is nonetheless a lot better than the colossal 218 million shortfall in 2010, when Bayerns revenue was literally three times as much as Dortmunds.
In fact, in 2010/11 Dortmund had the highest percentage of their total revenue from commercial (57%) of any Money League club. Although this has fallen to 51% in 2011/12, mainly due to Champions League money, this is still a very high proportion for a football club.
To place that into context, it is worth comparing the revenue mix with Arsenal, where commercial activities contribute only 23% of total revenue. In contrast, match day is worth 41% at the North London club, compared to only 17% at Dortmund. Looked at another way, the majority of Dortmunds revenue is generated from companies, while fans bear most of the burden at Arsenal.
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However, this also means that television income is not very high in Germany, as can be seen from the 2010/11 Money League, where Dortmund sat in 19th position. Their revenue of 32 million was around one sixth of the 184 million earned by Barcelona and Real Madrid, who benefit greatly from their individual domestic deals.
(Notice how fair it is in comparison to La Liga. Real and Barca are fucking scumbags for marketing their tv rights exclusively)
Performance is weighted in favour of the more recent years, so last season a factor of 4 was applied to 2011/12, 3 to 2010/11, 2 to 2009/10 and 1 to 2008/09. However, a form of equality is then applied, as the club with most points from this algorithm only receives twice as much money as the club that has the lowest number of points. In this way, as top club in 2011/12 Bayern Munich received 24 million for performance (excluding live fees), which was double the 12 million for last placed Augsburg.
The Bundesliga recently announced an increase in the value of their TV rights with the domestic deal for the four years from 2013/14 to 2016/17 rising 52% from 410 million to 628 million and the overseas rights increased by a similar rate to 72 million. The new total of 700 million will take it ahead of La Liga (655 million) and Ligue 1 (which actually fell to 642 million). The Bundesligas chief executive, Christian Seifert, was ecstatic, We didnt expect results like this, it clearly exceeded our expectations, while Bayerns chief executive, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, described it as a milestone in the history of the Bundesliga.
Nevertheless, the TV rights for German football are still lower than Serie A (944 million) and only half the Premier League deal (1.4 billion). That is before the new English deal from 2013/14, which is estimated to be worth at least 2.2 billion, i.e. three times the historic Bundesliga deal.
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Last season Dortmunds incredible average attendance of 80,500 was the highest in Europe, ahead of Barcelona 79,600 and Manchester United 75,400. This was easily the largest average in Germany with the next highest teams being Bayern 69,000 and Schalke 61,200. The Dortmund fans interest shows no sign of slowing down, as they have just established a new Bundesliga record for season tickets for 2012/13 at a mighty 54,000 and that was capped to ensure an adequate supply of tickets on the day of the match.
It is therefore a little perplexing to see that Dortmund have one of lowest match day revenues in the Money League with only 28 million in 2010/11 (31 million in 2011/12), while the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona, Manchester United and Arsenal all collect more than 100 million. There are two obvious reasons for this huge discrepancy: less matches and low ticket prices.
Dortmunds high attendances (and small match day revenue) can be partially attributed to the large number of standing places for which season tickets are priced as low as 187 (109 for youths). Nearly 25,000 of these can be found on the famous Südtribüne terrace, known as the Yellow Wall, which is the largest standing area in European football and provides each home game with an intensely passionate atmosphere. Occasionally, that enthusiasm can go too far, such as the hooliganism seen at the recent Schalke derby when there were 200 arrests and water cannon had to be used.
It is surely no coincidence that the Bundesliga has the lowest ticket prices of Europes five major leagues and consequently the highest attendances. This is an important part of football culture in Germany, as seen recently when Dortmund fans staged a protest against Hamburgs steep prices for away standing tickets, leaving their block after 10 minutes. Klopp gave them his support, The league needs to think just how far they want to push prices.
There are no such problems in Dortmunds imposing stadium, now officially named Signal Iduna Park, which is the largest football ground in Germany and the sixth largest in Europe. This is obviously an extremely valuable asset that can also be used to host international matches, when the capacity is reduced to 67,000 by converting the standing areas to seats. The Times described it as the most beautiful stadium in the world, writing, Every Champions League final should be held in Dortmund. The place was built for football and its fans.
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Yeah pretty amazing turn around, especially compared to the other Ruhrgebiets club.
But i think Dortmund got a little bit lucky, i mean it's great that the payroll is that low but players like Götze or Kagawa dont grow on trees. Sure Kagawa is gone now, but you just flipped him for Reus. And dont forget Klopp, fucking Jürgen Klopp. Imagine if Hoeneß would've signed him in 2008: he'd most likely be the Cologne coach now. TheLucifer
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Inzaghi's U-17 team won yesterday, now they're 4th, four points behind the first place. It seems like he's doing pretty well, too bad that Mastour only played 10 minutes, but as Inzaghi said, he's going to have a lot of other chances.
This is the problem with the diving debacle - the recourse for diving is large, but getting carded, and then sent off for diving feels even bigger. It's the accusatory nature.
I am starting EP 4, EP 3 was fantastic. Borderline game of the year if they nail 4 and 5
Awesome Animals
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Damn, 46 pages in before I notice we have a new thread. What happened yesterday to get 46 pages deep in 24 hrs?
You're quite sure it wasn't . . . him ?
PrematureQuiche
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We got screwed.
same. I have friends keep telling me to play them because they are so good and they want to talk about them with me and I just can not be bothered. I got them all on the Steam Sale :lol
Very. Speaks with a thick southern twang, too.
And then an Everton fan sat next to me used the debate to further imply that the offside call yesterday was somehow deserved, or just part of the game. As if we should accept these cumbucket decisions because 'that's football'. Fucking do one, give the fourth official and iPad, and allow managers to make a finite number of challenges to avoid slowing the game down for each and every decision.
AndresON777
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Lol Gomez couldn't even score a goal like the one Lewandoski scored against Madrid in FIFA.
lol with dat Bayern squad even Big Andy would score more.
c'mon son
Phantast2k
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I'll probably do some stadium tours throughout Europe when my financial situation is more sound, but it's reassuring to know that I've already seen the best
Yeah pretty amazing turn around, especially compared to the other Ruhrgebiets club.
The payroll is actually even lower. Those 80m include bonuses. I'm confident that we can continue that strategy of signing cheap, young players who are yet to "make a name for themselves" and if you look at the transfer rumors it's still super young players, some with a higher profile (Isco), some still relatively unknown and therefore still cheap (Rode, Kirchhoff) while other completely unknown/obscure (Arkadiusz Milik).
I don't really think we'll see "made stars" in Dortmund in the foreseeable future....unless we exceed all expectations and manage to get into the CL semis or something, then the management might have an incentive to spend some more and maybe even go for ppl. like KP Boateng or so.
Yeah, of course we got lucky with Klopp, but we'd probably manage the turnaround without him (Watzke is the main man here), it's just that there probably wouldn't be any championships to celebrate.
Yeah, Bayern probably won't make the most of its resources until Hoeneß/Rummgeficke retire - they just have way too much influence in the day-to-day affairs.
At some point in my life I will visit Dortmund and go to a game, the stadium looks amazing.I'll probably do some stadium tours throughout Europe when my financial situation is more sound, but it's reassuring to know that I've already seen the best
That article is fascinating, how Dortmund managed to completely turn the club around from the brink of bankruptcy, and also how much money they generate through commercial revenue. Also shows Arsenal up in that regard, which, admittedly, isn't a huge feat.
And isn't it faster to view a replay than discuss the incident with three other referees?
Behave next time.
Even Bayern ended up losing after Fry's senseless trolling.
AndresON777
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And isn't it faster to view a replay than discuss the incident with three other referees?
Behave next time.
Even Bayern ended up losing after Fry's senseless trolling.
Damn son you sleep less than me.
Any football today? doubt it since we get cup football this week smh
Seven hours! I have the week off, I don't want to waste it on sleeping.
Kyoufu said:We won though
I can't wish ill on Newcastle, the injury to Ba was all I could manage.
You WILL lose next week though.
Behave next time.
Even Bayern ended up losing after Fry's senseless trolling.
We won though
A set of computers should be set in every stadium next to the 4th official, give the team 2 challenges. Can be used only if a goal is scored during the offside call.And isn't it faster to view a replay than discuss the incident with three other referees?
Behave next time.
Put Sterling back in his tiny, tiny box, plz.
AndresON777
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Seven hours! I have the week off, I don't want to waste it on sleeping.
I can't wish ill on Newcastle, the injury to Ba was all I could manage.
You WILL lose next week though.
Word. Sleeping is a waste of time. I might hit 10 hours one day just to recharge but I usually only sleep about 5 or 6 hours.
Bayern's loss yesterday was so beautiful lol
<3, you can troll Barca when they fail to score against some shit team like Chelsea again
I don't have access to my gifs at the moment but this deserves one.
Sorry Kyoufu, we'll bounce back from being mugged and tank you. Sahin needs a good game, he lost it a bit in the derby. Allen was superb, I was thinking back to the game last night and just remembered the numerous instances when he battled and fought with Fellaini, a man nearly twice his physique, and never hid from anything. Admirable attitude in a hostile environement to which he was unaccustomed.
He's going to get a hattrick against us like that other 17 year old Liverpool lad many moons ago.
Indeed. I expect to get mugged in Merseyside.
A draw I'd be happy with. A fluke win would have me laughing but I don't see either of those happening. We were so shit against WBA.
Liverpool gets the best out of Welsh mentalists.
Awesome Animals
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Alright Yurt, that Suarez capture has me intrigued. More details?
Speaking from experience?
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