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Forza 7 |OT| The 7 you've been waiting for!
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GHG
Gold Member
I knew the first car was free but I had no idea they were going to lock me out of purchasing cars needed to participate in the other championships shortly after. A heads up would have been appreciated. Either that or the game needed to steer you towards one of those two championships.
Great. Maybe the options are found in a prize crate?
That's what happens when you let a gambling addict write a review. ;p
Nothing shameful about refunding this version and getting a standard one.The more people do that the more likely it is they'll bring back permanent rewards in Horizon 4 (also remember - no pre-orders ;p).
Playing the game sends a positive message to them. I am usually not the one to protest games, but it was really shitty to do that with the VIP pass.
That's good to hear. My favorite Forza was 3 - how's it like compared to that?
GHG
Gold Member
No.
Don't resist, buy more lootboxes. Your driver looks like a scrub, gamble for some new gear.
xrnzaaas
Member
I know I know, it's just hard to say no to Forza when other racing games have severe issues preventing me from spending 100+ hours with them.
The Elite
BOSS
My favourite previous Forza was 3 as well. I haven't played it in a long, long time so I don't think I could do a direct comparison. I love the career system in Forza 7. It's point based so you don't necessarily have to come into the first three positions to progress. I also like how the events have me jumping in and out of different cars regularly. I like to mix it up and I have my favourites for each type of event.
I also love the build up to more powerful cars. I guess I'm old school in that respect.
They sound like a 50cc Vespa in real life.
Feeroper
Member
Man I'd REALLY like to get this game, but the loot boxes have really turned me off here.
Is there really a realistic way to enjoy this game without having to get involved with the loot boxes? Is there any content that is just completely unattainable unless you use a loot box? From what I have read the mods are all in loot boxes - are there any cars that are only attainable via loot box?
Also, with the new tier system, I've seen some comments suggesting that this is a way to encourage loot boxes if you want to buy cars in a tier above - is this true?
Its getting difficult to judge where the truth lies here with some players being extremely scathing about it and others being ultra defenders. I believe the truth is likely somewhere in the middle, but I cant really tell.
Ultimately I don't want to support the loot crate practice that gates content behind terrible grinding, but I'm also seeing a lot of praise for this one noting it as a high point in the FM series. I'm torn. At least with Shadow of War I'm completely off put by the way they have implemented their loot boxes so its a no brainer, I'm avoiding that game as it looks like a mobile game on console that also just happens to cost $80 (CDN) - but FM7 looks amazing and is getting praised as such. I'm hoping the loot crate thing is just a fad they got in on and wont go much further, but I suspect that it will be a mainstay from here forward. I worry if I give in and buy the game I'm sending the wrong message, that 'Im okay with this, but on the other hand, if I don't buy it, I'm worried that I'm passing on an amazing game due to a potentially overblown issue.
Is there really a realistic way to enjoy this game without having to get involved with the loot boxes? Is there any content that is just completely unattainable unless you use a loot box? From what I have read the mods are all in loot boxes - are there any cars that are only attainable via loot box?
Also, with the new tier system, I've seen some comments suggesting that this is a way to encourage loot boxes if you want to buy cars in a tier above - is this true?
Its getting difficult to judge where the truth lies here with some players being extremely scathing about it and others being ultra defenders. I believe the truth is likely somewhere in the middle, but I cant really tell.
Ultimately I don't want to support the loot crate practice that gates content behind terrible grinding, but I'm also seeing a lot of praise for this one noting it as a high point in the FM series. I'm torn. At least with Shadow of War I'm completely off put by the way they have implemented their loot boxes so its a no brainer, I'm avoiding that game as it looks like a mobile game on console that also just happens to cost $80 (CDN) - but FM7 looks amazing and is getting praised as such. I'm hoping the loot crate thing is just a fad they got in on and wont go much further, but I suspect that it will be a mainstay from here forward. I worry if I give in and buy the game I'm sending the wrong message, that 'Im okay with this, but on the other hand, if I don't buy it, I'm worried that I'm passing on an amazing game due to a potentially overblown issue.
Maintenance
Member
There's no way to be 100% sure right now. Unless people datamine the game.
I didnt let them steal my review! ;p
-dreams of opening Loot Boxes full of more Loot Boxes-
Putting my hatred for these RNG slot machine mechanics aside.......
You can still have fun with the driving part, the fact that there are crates doesn't make the driving any less fun, that said, it's clear that the economy, the way the car tier system works, the way the announcer keeps saying "Hey, buy a prize crate", and the way that the prize crate button is pretty much on every single menu mean that it's hard to ignore completely.
The truth is that there are lots of varying stances on these things, some people like them, some people hate them, and some people are ambivalent.
Whether you should avoid it or not should probably come down to your personal opinion on these things.
I know I know, it's just hard to say no to Forza when other racing games have severe issues preventing me from spending 100+ hours with them.
That is true. Will make a decision this weekend
We seem to have a similar taste! Thanks.
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On another note, the game is getting destroyed on Amazon. I hope Turn10 make an announcement and get ahead of this. Just make the VIP pass have the same perks as it always had.
Boom.
Fox Mulder
Member
It is a great game. T10 just really fucked up with months of silence after E3 to explain this stuff, like they were ashamed and hiding it. They fucked up the VIP bonuses too and will have to make that right with free shit or something, they even changed the language on the product description. Wow.
The game is obnoxiously built around pushing loot crates and the game reminds you constantly, but you can apparently ignore them otherwise. I haven't felt the need to buy one and have just been playing races. I level up and get a car. I'm at a million credits already with tier 11 Forza rewards and just winning races. Just bought a formula e car too.
It seems overblown to me now really.
GHG
Gold Member
Lmao, no that would be thunderstorms.
TheAdmiester
Member
Here's what I've noticed so far about the conditions:
Do your headlights actually cast light on the road? If yes, it's Night.
Is the road wet, or will it be wet at any point? If yes, it's Rain.
If neither of those is true, it's "Day" (which also includes sunset/overcast).
Once you've determined the weather type, unfortunately the next part is to simply keep loading up a race in those conditions until you RNG the one you want.
Maintenance
Member
"We made the weather / ToD random so you can get excited when you get that exact combination you really want"
Victory Red
Member
The loot boxes dont bother me.
I played for about 2 hours last night and when I got to about 350,000 credits I bought the 300,000 credit chest. It had one car, an outfit and some mods. Hardly worth the money.
Going forward I'll hold onto my credits, they are very easy to come by and see no need to purchase crates.
I also don't feel the need to HAVE to buy a specific car. I like racing and I'll drive what the game gives me.
I played for about 2 hours last night and when I got to about 350,000 credits I bought the 300,000 credit chest. It had one car, an outfit and some mods. Hardly worth the money.
Going forward I'll hold onto my credits, they are very easy to come by and see no need to purchase crates.
I also don't feel the need to HAVE to buy a specific car. I like racing and I'll drive what the game gives me.
D'ultimate
Member
DO NOT run without ABS until you are very familiar with the game. VERY FAMILIAR. Having the wheels lock up at every turn is not fun and will make you hate the game.
Most car post 1980's have some form of ABS anyway. Traction control and Stability control I would use on most high powered cars.
They can't handle driving without the aid and I would bet their FF settings could use a better tune. Normal feels like it has a dynamic ratio which feels awful and unpredictable to me, it also feels like it has some auto steering when you get the car sideways.
xrnzaaas
Member
That's Wankel engine right there.
Are you playing with a controller? Imo the XONE pad has VERY sensitive triggers compared to Sony's Dualshock. I was constantly locking up brakes in Horizon 2 and Forza 6 when I bought the XONE. What's funny is that I didn't have these problems with the 360 controller.
Hit level 100 earlier. Game is fantastic. I don't mind the loot boxes. I bought a couple and I don't bother with the mods at all now. Level and credit progression is fine. I've just been playing the game as I normally would and I have enough to get the car I want to drive in the next championship. I do think the VIP consumable is pure trash. They sold us a consumable coin doubler. I can excuse lots of things, but this is just bad. I hope Turn10 come back and fix this. This will be the last ultimate edition I buy.
Maintenance
Member
Right now I'd rather have the memory leak and texture streaming fixed, but yeah FH4 is definitely not a pre-order here.
All the goodwill from FH3 that led me to get this is gone.
All the goodwill from FH3 that led me to get this is gone.
dreamcastfan
Member
So, not sure this is the correct thread to ask this, but.. This game got me thinking about Xbox X enhanced games. Are they going to program the game for the base system and add enhancements, or will they begin making games with the X version in mind, and downgrade them to run on the original system?
If you've hit level 100 already, I'd hazard a guess that your "playing normally" is probably an outlier!
JackAubrey
Member
I don't see why we should expect poorer experiences on base Xbox One.
We've had decades of PC games that look amazing on high end system yet work well on lower end.
Fox Mulder
Member
Used the hoonicorn for the open championship.
God
damn.
God
damn.
Level 100 already?! Damn, I remember you levelled hella fast on FH3 but that is just something else. I'll admit, I'm level 60 but only because I've used the RAM exploit to gain ~40 levels and buy myself the Renault R.S.17
which was a complete fucking waste of money because I can only race it in Free Play
This IS Zorbs we're talking about here.
D'ultimate
Member
I do play with a XB1 controller and I've learned how to play w/o ABS on most vehicles but that was after a long time.
I'm just saying for someone new to the game I wouldn't not turn it off. It takes a good deal of skill to brake then turn and not brake during the turn. Doing so with the ABS off is a recipe for disaster and lead to a lot of frustration. Plus like you say the triggers are sensitive so you have to be more delicate on the brake to not lock up all the time.
GHG
Gold Member
Ok this championship "you don't have to win every race" thing is proving to be unbalanced.
You do need to win pretty much every race to win the championship. Why? Because the same Drivatar is winning every single race you fail to finish first in.
It's like trying to compete with Michael Schumacher in his heyday.
You do need to win pretty much every race to win the championship. Why? Because the same Drivatar is winning every single race you fail to finish first in.
It's like trying to compete with Michael Schumacher in his heyday.
I'll admit, I'm level 60 but only because I've used the RAM exploit to gain ~40 levels and buy myself the Renault R.S.17
Must have missed that, what's the RAM exploit?
Maintenance
Member
Be Alonso.
They even give you a Renault.
/s
Using the VIP Ram Runner XP bonus to get 7500xp every 30-35 seconds (30 of the race plus loadings, menus, etc).
Damage off > Daniil Kvyat mode at the first corner of the next race > Profit
If you jump in the Dodge RAM Forza Edition, set up Free Play to be 30 second races at the Airfield with 0 AI you receive 20,000 XP each time due to the bonuses from the Forza Edition car. It's lazy and cheap, but I really wanted that F1 car.
Edit: wait, it's 7,500? I'm dumb
xrnzaaas
Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1_9bpAKgd8
This one and other Forza Edition cars exploits haven't been patched yet so using them is probably considered fair game by Turn 10.
GHG
Gold Member
I'm trying to play this game with rewind off and full damage mode but it's like it's not at all designed to be played like this. Especially with the bumper car AI.
At least before I used to get rewarded with extra credits for putting myself through this torment. Now it's just... torment.
Maintenance
Member
Diablohead
Member
The auto correction in steering is why sim was added, there was a video of someone showing it off in forza 3 back in the day with drifting, watching the front wheels twitch to keep the car stable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1_9bpAKgd8
This one and other Forza Edition cars exploits haven't been patched yet so using them is probably considered fair game by Turn 10.
Giving a car a built in bonus was never a smart idea even if I like the fact people are abusing this.
Maintenance
Member
Thing is, built in bonus was made as a way to nerf players, since if you did an endurance race a % would be better in most cases. That ended up creating this, so if they didn't try to nerf it in the first place this never would have happened.
I've had the game since Friday. I've been doing all series within championships before moving to the next championship. I also have been doing long races, unless it's a series I hate like the formula e. But yeah, normal. I might be making this up, but I feel like playing online really deals out the xp/credits. Played for an hour yesterday and leveled up 4 times.
FE cars also have %bonuses on them. The GTR for example is 50% credit bonus and 10000CR when you race on Suzuka.
Fox Mulder
Member
These exploits are always so boring. I ignored this stuff in horizon 3 and got most of my money running Goliath with a non FE car going for a top leaderboard time. But I also did dumb shit like 50 lap races and got to level 1000.