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Forza Motorsport 4 - The Floodgates Have Opened...

Hawk269

Member
saladine1 said:
I would love for Forza to deliver a more 'race day' feel, a more motor racing atmosphere in the future.
I want to see pit crews, marshalls, tv crews,grid girls/crews, flags, strategy, intense racing,proper engine damage(overheating,blown turbos..etc).
I want to have a memorable experience where tough races, cars jostling for positions,bump n grind, immersion,more tracks, more starting cars,rain,night..etc becomes the norm.

The love of cars is a given and will continue on. But where do you draw the line when it comes to ogling the automobile?
How long can you sit there and admire the door or engine bay of a car before you tire of it and then demand a more expanded experience?
Forza as it stands now, has the basis of car love down pat. This has always been the fundamental aspect for Dan. For the future though, it's time to expand into other areas besides the admiration of cars alone and to try and deliver an intense racing experience incorporating the previous examples as well..

On your first point about more of "race day" is something I have been wanting since Forza 1. Alot of this would just be cosmetic, more banners, blimps/giant balloons etc. To me the tracks in Forza are too static.

And dont get me started on the pit stops. It has progressively gotten worse with each version of Forza. While Forza 1 had a decent Pit Stop and I emphasise just barely decent, each version after has gotten worse and worse. At this rate, I anticipate Forza 4 wont even have pit stops it has gotten so bad.
 

Angst

Member
Hawk269 said:
On your first point about more of "race day" is something I have been wanting since Forza 1. Alot of this would just be cosmetic, more banners, blimps/giant balloons etc. To me the tracks in Forza are too static.

And dont get me started on the pit stops. It has progressively gotten worse with each version of Forza. While Forza 1 had a decent Pit Stop and I emphasise just barely decent, each version after has gotten worse and worse. At this rate, I anticipate Forza 4 wont even have pit stops it has gotten so bad.
How do pit stops work in Forza 3?
 

enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
Mascot said:
Kinda like a combination of the best bits of Grid, Shift, PGR and Forza then? That would get my vote. And on the NextBox all posible at 60fps, yes? Crikey, I really hope that 60fps becomes the minimum default frame rate on the next gen of consoles, like Sony said it would be on the PS3.
There were good parts of GRID?
 
enzo_gt said:
There were good parts of GRID?
The career mode was pretty good, iirc. Drive for other teams, get money, start your own team, get a second driver, drive in NA, Europe, Asia and the classes there. I liked it.
 

G Rom

Member
After nearly two years of driving 21,131 km in 139h40:08 over the span of 1,251 races, winning 21,503,066 Cr, taking more than 1,000 photos, buying 308 cars and spending 208h56:44 in the menus, I can finally say that I've got 100% of gold in FM3's career.

Bring on FM4 now !!
 

skyfinch

Member
G Rom said:
After nearly two years of driving 21,131 km in 139h40:08 over the span of 1,251 races, winning 21,503,066 Cr, taking more than 1,000 photos, buying 308 cars and spending 208h56:44 in the menus, I can finally say that I've got 100% of gold in FM3's career.

Bring on FM4 now !!


Congrats. Those are some crazy stats.
 

Mascot

Member
G Rom said:
After nearly two years of driving 21,131 km in 139h40:08 over the span of 1,251 races, winning 21,503,066 Cr, taking more than 1,000 photos, buying 308 cars and spending 208h56:44 in the menus, I can finally say that I've got 100% of gold in FM3's career.

Bring on FM4 now !!
Nice one, G. Welcome to the club. Perfect timing, too.
Feels like quite a well-earned achievement, doesn't it?
 
saladine1 said:
The love of cars is a given and will continue on. But where do you draw the line when it comes to ogling the automobile?
Agreed on the racing - it is Forza motorsport after all.

But for me the perfect mix is something the incorporates driving and racing. Let me pick a great car and take it for a long drive through some amazing and diverse environments. Mix that with circuit racing and I'm in heaven.
 

Ty4on

Member
NullPointer said:
Agreed on the racing - it is Forza motorsport after all.

But for me the perfect mix is something the incorporates driving and racing. Let me pick a great car and take it for a long drive through some amazing and diverse environments. Mix that with circuit racing and I'm in heaven.
TDU1/2 with Forza's physics...

We've all dreamt of it, then came TDU2 to destroy our hopes.
 

enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
Congrats G Rom, I would've broke down mentally before then. I'm in Season 5 I think (R2 Championship) and I'm not sure how much I can take. Went back and did a few races and got to the next R2 race and lost motivation for possibly the 10th time. I fucking hate long races. Especially long races on tracks your already so sick of (Sunset Peninsula or Sebring for the 54935254th time).

Really, I love racing games, I really do, but making me sit down for 6 times the length to do a single race isn't making me love it any more when I have to do an extra 20 laps in first place just because I'm so ahead. Sometimes, you don't have a half an hour to an hour to sit down and race, when your actually maybe only really competitively racing for the first few laps before it becomes a freebie.

Not to go on too much of a tangent here, but brotkasten's post really reminded me that another huge flaw in the racing game genre is the career modes. The single player content in all racing games can usually be broken down to the structure of championships with individual races. This isn't really very compelling 15 hours later when your racing the same shit with 8x the laps, and the only dev to ever try and break this mold was EA with Underground/MW and such. For sim racing, it's even more difficult because much of the time it's confined to circuits and nothing else is acceptable. Extending the length of each race is an artificial way of making the experience tolerable and challenging when it isn't really in reality.

I like having the option to do 3 different championships, especially ones with oddball requirements (like sedan races, etc.), like FM3 offered (and FM4 had), but when it comes down to it, in Season 5, I find myself cycling through all my cars and checking career mode to find if one of the three events for that particular event isn't some boring as fuck SUPER LAP DAYS event that I have no interest in participating in. Yes, there is the event list as well, but that doesn't contribute towards the season progression IIRC, so it's kind of discouraging if you want to progress.

If they really are trying to open it up as much as they can, deliberately increasing credit payout, deliberately opening up the linear championship-to-championship structure to allow 3 options, for me personally I'd love for them to open it up completely so I could choose what championships I want to do in the weeks in between the majors so I'm not bottlenecked with shit I don't want to do or have the time for. That's just me though.

Maybe sims aren't my thing *shrug* *tear*.
 

sneaky77

Member
my favorite career structure in a racing mode in a long while was shift 2 to be honest. But yeah Forza's career from 3 needs some serious restructuring
 

twinturbo2

butthurt Heat fan
cjelly said:
I still need All Gold and the horrid Drift achievement. I'll never get them. Oh, well. :(
I need all gold and completing season 6.

I've been thinking about this, and maybe we should do an Operation Rainfall-style campaign to get Ferrari, Porsche, Turn 10 and EA in perfect license-sharing harmony. I'm getting Forza 4, but I'm also getting NFS The Run, as well. This exclusivity bullshit has to stop, and the more people hear from us who want Porsche in Forza and Ferrari in NFS, the better.

Good idea?
 

eek5

Member
Marco1 said:
All Forza 5 needs to be at launch for nextxbox is a forza greatest hits at 1080p.
And then continue building forza 6.
I would love to see the cars on tracks with better AF and more AA.
Also increase the texture sizes and LOD.


A $30 launch title would actually be pretty sweet. Forza 4 in 1080p60 w/ all the DLC packed in. I'd buy it!

twinturbo2 said:
I've been thinking about this, and maybe we should do an Operation Rainfall-style campaign to get Ferrari, Porsche, Turn 10 and EA in perfect license-sharing harmony. I'm getting Forza 4, but I'm also getting NFS The Run, as well. This exclusivity bullshit has to stop, and the more people hear from us who want Porsche in Forza and Ferrari in NFS, the better.

Seems like a lot of people know. Check out these comments/rating:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2WjWkitfjE&feature=channel_video_title

lmao
 

Fox Mulder

Member
sneaky77 said:
my favorite career structure in a racing mode in a long while was shift 2 to be honest. But yeah Forza's career from 3 needs some serious restructuring

I only played the first Shift, but I loved the meta game objective stuff it had during a race.
 

supersaw

Member
sneaky77 said:
my favorite career structure in a racing mode in a long while was shift 2 to be honest.

You like extreme videos of some random drifter continuously interjecting whilst you try to have a race?
 
bkfount said:
I only played the first Shift, but I loved the meta game objective stuff it had during a race.
Mastering a track, autolog and real time tuning should be something that all sim racers strive to offer. That along with trying to produce a truly frightening sense of speed without going overboard.
 

Shaneus

Member
Do the golds earned when hiring a driver still count? I got mega lazy for the majority of the 6th season and just did that for pretty much the entire thing.
 

skyfinch

Member
Shaneus said:
Do the golds earned when hiring a driver still count? I got mega lazy for the majority of the 6th season and just did that for pretty much the entire thing.


Yes. I had to use the hired driver for the slower endrance events.
 

Duallusion

Member
G Rom said:
After nearly two years of driving 21,131 km in 139h40:08 over the span of 1,251 races, winning 21,503,066 Cr, taking more than 1,000 photos, buying 308 cars and spending 208h56:44 in the menus, I can finally say that I've got 100% of gold in FM3's career.

Bring on FM4 now !!

So *that's* how long it takes to earn that Ferrari 250 GTO! ffs
 

eso76

Member
Badned said september is the month of tokyo and frankfurt.
Frankfurt hosts a rather big motor show in september, and it starts...tomorrow, i believe.
 

eek5

Member
evil_as_skeletor said:
I did it with a Front Wheel drive Citroen C4... :D
I forget what car I did it on but basically it was an old car with adjusted suspension for oversteer, too much power, and real shit tires. If I just feathered the throttle the back tires would start to lose grip so I'd just feather it through corners and rack up huge multipliers.


eso76 said:
Badned said september is the month of tokyo and frankfurt.
Frankfurt hosts a rather big motor show in september, and it starts...tomorrow, i believe.


I hope we get some concept cars confirmed! (and more tracks lol)
 
eek5 said:
I forget what car I did it on but basically it was an old car with adjusted suspension for oversteer, too much power, and real shit tires. If I just feathered the throttle the back tires would start to lose grip so I'd just feather it through corners and rack up huge multipliers.





I hope we get some concept cars confirmed! (and more tracks lol)
Handbrake on - check
Power down - check

It went something like that.

LOL
 

G Rom

Member
Thanks for the comments. :)

For the career mode, I'd love something like ToCA Race Driver combined with a calendar. In my game, you'd start with a cheap car and a kart. At first you'd go to track days or kart championship or small drag event or, small drift contest depending on where you want your career to go. Then you'd get noticed by some team that would put you in a better car either a local F3000 championship or local touring car spec championship, etc again depending on the choices you want to make. Of course you'd have objectives to meet, just like in ToCA. Then you'd get noticed by some local media and that's when a Mass Effect like dialogue system begins to appear. Essentially that's when you start building your legend. Will you be a dick making fun of rivals ? Will you be like Raikkonen and play it Ice Man style ? Each time a journalist ask you questions, it will impact your reputation and even AI as someone who's been ridiculed in the press could want revenge.
The career would then give you access to some special events. For example a driver could have been injuried and his team ask you to step in some big event like an FIA GT race.
You'd then be able to choose some championship like DTM, V8 Supercars, WTCC, WRC, BTCC, D1, NHRA (that's how the drag championship is called right ?), etc...
Again as you continue your career, you'd have options to participate to big special event like entering an ILMC race in a GT car then toward the end of your career you could enter the 24h of Le Mans in an LMP1 for example.
Of course, there would be sponsoring to manage and those would unlock some events. For example if Red Bull is sponsoring you, you'd have to make some demo with your race car in streets or if you're in a big manufacturer team, then you'd fly to Goodwood to demo the latest model, etc...
Of course this seem like the customization part of FM would be almost useless but it wouldn't as you'd still be able to enter Class races with your personal and tuned cars.
Also, all those championships would be licensed and would have the real race format (i.e 2 races in WTCC for example) as well as more or less crowd, real branding on tracks, etc...
You could also shift your career toward team managing which would essentially be a much deeper B-Spec mode.

This is more or less the basis of my ideal racing career mode. :)

PS: sorry if there's some mistakes, I've typed this on my iPhone. ;)
 

BADNED

Member
Looks like there is some sort of announcement coming this week according to some inside terminals. Also a look at Laguna is at the horizon for this week too.
 

LeBoef

Member
Mascot said:
Nice one, G. Welcome to the club. Perfect timing, too.
Feels like quite a well-earned achievement, doesn't it?

that one is for sure not well earned. felt like the biggest stupid grind i ever had.
its just a huge amount of very bad quantity over quality.

fm3 singleplayer was one of the worst things i played so far.
 

G Rom

Member
BADNED said:
Looks like there is some sort of announcement coming this week according to some inside terminals. Also a look at Laguna is at the horizon for this week too.
I would prefer a look at the Nordschleife, I fear that it will still be the old terrible version. :(
We've yet to see Le Mans too.
 

eek5

Member
BADNED said:
Looks like there is some sort of announcement coming this week according to some inside terminals. Also a look at Laguna is at the horizon for this week too.
Just one? :O
 

eso76

Member
BADNED said:
Looks like there is some sort of announcement coming this week according to some inside terminals. Also a look at Laguna is at the horizon for this week too.


Can't wait to see how Rio looks like in glorious image based lighting.

"at the end is the light" obviously refers to the long tunnel in Rio and being blinded by the sun when you come out on the other side.

Yes, i know i'm reading too much into those hints you give on forzacentral.
 

Magni

Member
G Rom said:
After nearly two years of driving 21,131 km in 139h40:08 over the span of 1,251 races, winning 21,503,066 Cr, taking more than 1,000 photos, buying 308 cars and spending 208h56:44 in the menus, I can finally say that I've got 100% of gold in FM3's career.

Bring on FM4 now !!

:(

Being out of the country and Xbox-less for the past eight months has done me in, I'm still at 61% with barely over 8,300km driven in ~60 hours... One month left to finish :mad:
 

Mascot

Member
BADNED said:
Looks like there is some sort of announcement coming this week according to some inside terminals. Also a look at Laguna is at the horizon for this week too.
Am I alone in hating Laguna Seca? All that yellow sand. One of the blandest environments in videogaming.
 

eso76

Member
Mascot said:
Am I alone in hating Laguna Seca? All that yellow sand. One of the blandest environments in videogaming.

i find myself hating it in fm3 because of the VERY LAZY camera placement during replays and the stupid bloom on cars.
Environment is bland, but what can you do about it, that's what the track looks like.

G Rom said:
I would prefer a look at the Nordschleife, I fear that it will still be the old terrible version. :(
We've yet to see Le Mans too.

seconded. but i have faith it has been tweaked, at least.
le mans, i think we've seen it in a couple pics / videos, but i may be wrong or it might have been fm3 snippets from the leaked trailer.
 

eso76

Member
adelante said:
Fireworks that line up the entire track...can't go wrong with those.


We need new media stat! ;(

i'm sure we're getting tons of new media this week, from frankfurt and tokyo.

(more bernese alps e3 build !!1)


i disabled avatars for E3 and haven't turned them on since, and forgot i was still avatarless myself.
Will get around to that asap !
 
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