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Forza Motorsport 4 - The Floodgates Have Opened...

Ive been calling Bull Shit on there whole strategy since E3.

It completely insane that they are giving as little info as they have. They should be showing pics with every car reveal. They should unveil a track every weekday with pics. I mean come on their killing their own hype.

The game is out in a month FFS!

Any way, has there been any recent updates on the fanatec club sport shifter?
 
soundscream said:
Ive been calling Bull Shit on there whole strategy since E3.

It completely insane that they are giving as little info as they have. They should be showing pics with every car reveal. They should unveil a track every weekday with pics. I mean come on their killing their own hype.

The game is out in a month FFS!

Any way, has there been any recent updates on the fanatec club sport shifter?

Maybe 4 isn't such a lucky number for racing games made by the MGS?
 

eso76

Member
brotkasten said:
Maybe 4 isn't such a lucky number for racing games made by the MGS?

Saleswise maybe.
Quality wise, it's the perfect number.

(PGR4 did sell well in the long run though)
 

ElNino

Member
soundscream said:
When it was $20 and below

Edit: Why dont they have it on games on demand?
I seem to recall PGR4 having some audio issues when the game was installed, so it's possible that the same bug would happen on GoD.
 
ElNino said:
I seem to recall PGR4 having some audio issues when the game was installed, so it's possible that the same bug would happen on GoD.
Yeah I guess. But what about PGR3 or Forza2 & 3, they are MS games you would think they would be up there.
 

Mascot

Member
Well, in lieu of any information about the game it looks like we need to make our own entertainment in this thread. So I've written a short poem:

Dan, Danny, Daniel
With beard like a spaniel
And love for this Image Based Lighting
You’re praised by your peers
For incubating ideas
And for all of the wrongs that you’re righting

We’ve a small axe to grind
That I think you will find
Could be solved with photos of a car
And some news about tracks
Would then help us relax
And stop talking about PGR

So where is the news?
Direct-feed and previews?
You should share all this stuff with your brothers
Instead we get lists
No surprise that we’re pissed
We are gamers, but also car lovers!

You know of our thirst
For circuits like Bathurst
Yet no Aussie love either, this time
And it’s not all that far
So send your team to Spa
But instead, we get what? Hockenheim.

It’s a shame about night
And no weather’s a blight
But the new game still offers us plenty
And in a few years
To a chorus of cheers
Forza 5’s on Xbox 720!
 
flyinpiranha said:
Plus, Che being involved actually had me feeling they cared about the fans, it got me hyped moreso than GT5 did and I was a huge GT fan.

One thing that I have to say I'm really liking is the "Under the Hood" articles.

There were a LOT of issues in Forza 3 that T10 never bothered to acknowledge, despite the forums being alight with talk. Private lobbies, drag racing problems, missing race dashboards, and painting glitches are just a few.

With the Under the Hood, T10 at least addresses some controversial issues that are being discussed (like the whole Porsche thing). They've also at least provided some decent insight into some of the design decisions.
 
Mascot said:
Well, in lieu of any information about the game it looks like we need to make our own entertainment in this thread. So I've written a short poem:

Dan, Danny, Daniel
With beard like a spaniel
And love for this Image Based Lighting
You’re praised by your peers
For incubating ideas
And for all of the wrongs that you’re righting

We’ve a small axe to grind
That I think you will find
Could be solved with photos of a car
And some news about tracks
Would then help us relax
And stop talking about PGR

So where is the news?
Direct-feed and previews?
You should share all this stuff with your brothers
Instead we get lists
No surprise that we’re pissed
We are gamers, but also car lovers!

You know of our thirst
For circuits like Bathurst
Yet no Aussie love either, this time
And it’s not all that far
So send your team to Spa
But instead, we get what? Hockenheim.

It’s a shame about night
And no weather’s a blight
But the new game still offers us plenty
And in a few years
To a chorus of cheers
Forza 5’s on Xbox 720!
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U n i o n 0015 said:
One thing that I have to say I'm really liking is the "Under the Hood" articles.

There were a LOT of issues in Forza 3 that T10 never bothered to acknowledge, despite the forums being alight with talk. Private lobbies, drag racing problems, missing race dashboards, and painting glitches are just a few.

With the Under the Hood, T10 at least addresses some controversial issues that are being discussed (like the whole Porsche thing). They've also at least provided some decent insight into some of the design decisions.

While it was a good way to communicate issues, there was not enough good news to balance it out. I always felt more down then up after reading them.

Its got to be more, "no Porsche and this is why, but look at all this other awesome shit."
 

Angst

Member
flyinpiranha said:
I don't know, the "backlash" did nothing IMO. Everybody here and on forums still bought the game. Plus, Che being involved actually had me feeling they cared about the fans, it got me hyped moreso than GT5 did and I was a huge GT fan.

As for your second point the "word of mouth" isn't going to work because we have nothing to share! This is prime time for people to spend money on games and they won't be able to do it on many. I would think you would want to build hype so people don't buy other games before yours comes out.

I look at the "what games are you buying" threads and Forza 4 isn't listed much, only diehards in this thread seem to even be aware it's coming out, my friend who bought 3 along with me didn't even realize it was coming out and asked "what's new?" ... I told him Kinect shit and Autovista, plus a new lighting model ... he wasn't that excited. I'm not interested in a lot of the games that are coming out in the next few months but I see them, I'm aware of them and some have started to pique my interest.

I think it's pretty much bullshit. It's easy as shit to post a picture, or a little blurb of info that isn't too revealing. Their community manager is terrible ... at least I knew who Che was.

Of course I'm still buying it, I'm here for the game, not the shitty way they treat their fans who for me have bought Forza 3 twice (launch and UE) and will be buying the LE of 4.

But I'll admit, this thread has become a joke of sorts with the title because I think we talked about PGR4 more than we did Forza lol!

Post Non Info Depression ... it's the #1 reason hype trains crash!
You guys think you have a rough time... you are drowning in new info, info given by people that actually speak English. F4 pre-launch is a constant shower of info compared to the total confusion we GT fans had to suffer pre GT5 launch. Kaz wrote something on twitter and we were desperately trying to translate it - only to find out he either bought a new car or was having dinner with his kids. :/
 

saladine1

Junior Member
Angst said:
You guys think you have a rough time... you are drowning in new info, info given by people that actually speak English. F4 pre-launch is a constant shower of info compared to the total confusion we GT fans had to suffer pre GT5 launch. Kaz wrote something on twitter and we were desperately trying to translate it - only to find out he either bought a new car or was having dinner with his kids. :/
Good times..
 

Angst

Member
saladine1 said:
Good times..
It certainly was exciting at least. No info meant that people could dream up all sorts of weird things and we lapped it up like idiots.

But enough about that game. Have T10 posted a complete car and track list yet?
 

ShapeGSX

Member
We keep on getting great new information every week. I really don't get what the complaining is about.

How many hours between information dumps is acceptable?
 
ShapeGSX said:
We keep on getting great new information every week. I really don't get what the complaining is about.

How many hours between information dumps is acceptable?

Cars and tracks that were in the last game is not GREAT information.
 

enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
Mascot said:
Well, in lieu of any information about the game it looks like we need to make our own entertainment in this thread. So I've written a short poem:

Dan, Danny, Daniel
With beard like a spaniel
And love for this Image Based Lighting
You’re praised by your peers
For incubating ideas
And for all of the wrongs that you’re righting

We’ve a small axe to grind
That I think you will find
Could be solved with photos of a car
And some news about tracks
Would then help us relax
And stop talking about PGR

So where is the news?
Direct-feed and previews?
You should share all this stuff with your brothers
Instead we get lists
No surprise that we’re pissed
We are gamers, but also car lovers!

You know of our thirst
For circuits like Bathurst
Yet no Aussie love either, this time
And it’s not all that far
So send your team to Spa
But instead, we get what? Hockenheim.

It’s a shame about night
And no weather’s a blight
But the new game still offers us plenty
And in a few years
To a chorus of cheers
Forza 5’s on Xbox 720!
VTEC just kicked in in this thread, yo.
 

ShapeGSX

Member
soundscream said:
Cars and tracks that were in the last game is not GREAT information.

But information about 8 megapixel photos, AI, difficulty settings, car upgrades and head tracking IS great information. It may seem like an eternity to someone who really just wants to play the game, but that info was only released 5 days ago!

http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/underthehood3/

So what do you want? Just have them dump every last bit of info right now and be done with any reveals up til October 11th? Screw that. I'm fine with what they are doing.
 

Iknos

Junior Member
We represent a small portion of the people buying the game.

Still they need to build pre order sales and the media blackout hurts that objective.

They are doing some good things this time like the under the hood feature and the track videos I think those are great for the die hards.

But casuals want to see pic and movies...for being one of the better looking 360 games out there it seems odd there has been nothing much at this point.

Give a copy to G ROM and let him post pics. Sales and pre orders will shoot through the roof.
 
ShapeGSX said:
But information about 8 megapixel photos, AI, difficulty settings, car upgrades and head tracking IS great information. It may seem like an eternity to someone who really just wants to play the game, but that info was only released 5 days ago!

http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/underthehood3/

So what do you want? Just have them dump every last bit of info right now and be done with any reveals up til October 11th? Screw that. I'm fine with what they are doing.
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Angst said:
You guys think you have a rough time... you are drowning in new info, info given by people that actually speak English. F4 pre-launch is a constant shower of info compared to the total confusion we GT fans had to suffer pre GT5 launch. Kaz wrote something on twitter and we were desperately trying to translate it - only to find out he either bought a new car or was having dinner with his kids. :/

"You guys" ... I was there right along with you waiting for that to drop with new Fanatec wheel in hands. I couldn't believe it was being played by "others" while we STILL didn't have a launch date. Don't get me wrong, it was cryptic and terrible but I always expect that from a Sony pushed game to be honest, their advertising (minus KB) and their information streams are absolutely terrible.

What I am surprised about is how little MS seems to care about how this game does.

ShapeGSX said:
But information about 8 megapixel photos, AI, difficulty settings, car upgrades and head tracking IS great information. It may seem like an eternity to someone who really just wants to play the game, but that info was only released 5 days ago!

http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/underthehood3/

So what do you want? Just have them dump every last bit of info right now and be done with any reveals up til October 11th? Screw that. I'm fine with what they are doing.

Don't get me wrong, that is great information. But we've known about head tracking, AI, the difficulty settings and opponent upgrades for a while now. The only thing new was the picture thing.

I'm just bitching because I care haha. I still love what T10 creates and think their games are fantastic. What I don't love is the slow trickle of info.

But this is expected for the most part ,...
 
flyinpiranha said:
"You guys" ... I was there right along with you waiting for that to drop with new Fanatec wheel in hands. I couldn't believe it was being played by "others" while we STILL didn't have a launch date. Don't get me wrong, it was cryptic and terrible but I always expect that from a Sony pushed game to be honest, their advertising (minus KB) and their information streams are absolutely terrible.

What I am surprised about is how little MS seems to care about how this game does.

I wonder where F3 sold best?

I'm willing to bet it was the UK. And seeing how there are probably 250,000-300,000 who will buy it in October in the U.S. without crazy advertising, I think they believe the UK will step up again because of all the top gear content.

But still it took them forever to put up the E3 trailer, and besides gears its their only major exclusive this year. You have to build up the hype not let it have peeks and valleys. You know what would help..... A DEMO!
 

Jamesways

Member
soundscream said:
I wonder where F3 sold best?

I'm willing to bet it was the UK. And seeing how there are probably 250,000-300,000 who will buy it in October in the U.S. without crazy advertising, I think they believe the UK will step up again because of all the top gear content.

But still it took them forever to put up the E3 trailer, and besides gears its their only major exclusive this year. You have to build up the hype not let it have peeks and valleys. You know what would help..... A DEMO!


Well, Skate-Zilla just posted this on FC...

you can expect something in the 500MB+ download range in the next 72 hours....
 

Mascot

Member
There are fucking DAN-BOMBS to be dropped on Tokyo in a couple of day's time, that's why Turn 10 have gone dark.

It's the only, ONLY, possible reason.

Prepare to set faces to 'stunned'.

Edit: demo in 72 hours confirmed! Wooo hooooo!
 
Jamesways said:
Well, Skate-Zilla just posted this on FC...

You think its believable? Major Nelson has not said anything and them just randomly releasing it without any lead-up seems odd.

Plus Demos almost always hit on Tues and XBLA Games hit on Wednesdays. Right? Or am I losing my mind here?

Trying not to get hyped....
 

mblitek

Member
Even though I love Forza & GT5 as both my children, I think GT's marketing regarding promotion sucks more. At least Forza has an outline of a "community manager."

Nevermind.

Please continue angry mob. I've got my pitchfork.
 

SPEEDxNASTY

Neo Member
Who cares about a FM4 demo... Lets all buy F1 2011, its released in a bit more than 10 days!
FM4 can wait, nobody is hyped about it anymore.......................



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MrTroubleMaker said:
that's what I'm thinking too

If they did that with the challenge that you have to finish to unlock it, that wouldn't be too bad. You would get the AutoVista experience and a quick race experience all in one package. I doubt they could fit that under 1gb though.
 

nagge

Member
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/...n-10-talks-ugc-strain-and-hints-at-tracks.ars

Now, as you build your cars up from shopping-spec to highly strung race monsters, you can expect backfires, burbles and pops on over run. Other aspects have also been worked on to add to the feeling of reality; cars sound different under load—up a hill on full throttle, say—"you can hear it straining, frankly," Greenawalt tells me.

Sweet

As to whether Spa or Bathhurst or Brands Hatch will appear in the game, I was told enigmatically "we haven't announced all the tracks yet." Cue Internet speculation in 5, 4, 3…
 
Please be a Demo, please be a Demo :)

Autovista Demo would do me :)


ShapeGSX said:
But information about 8 megapixel photos, AI, difficulty settings, car upgrades and head tracking IS great information. It may seem like an eternity to someone who really just wants to play the game, but that info was only released 5 days ago!

http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/underthehood3/

So what do you want? Just have them dump every last bit of info right now and be done with any reveals up til October 11th? Screw that. I'm fine with what they are doing.

I know what you mean and I'm not ungrateful with the last few weeks updates. It's just frustrating waiting for more media that's all.

I mean, they announce Big Shot mode and release one picture with it (unless I've missed anymore) one picture is not enough. I can't give a number, but maybe 3.. 4 or 5 would have suffice. Tease us with just the one, then give us another 3 or 4 over the next couple of days, it's not that hard and it just seems what they do sometimes is counter productive. If you've got it, flaunt it.

The 'daily' car updates on Facebook, I got bored with very quickly. It's not that hard, announce them on facebook all you like, but with pics at least or even the car updates through the website.

It's only 4 weeks away from release and we've got a ton of tracks yet to see and loads of cars.

At least we can look forward to all the info flooding out over the next few weeks.

Anyways, I'll stop my moaning anyway.
 
nagge said:
As to whether Spa or Bathhurst or Brands Hatch will appear in the game, I was told enigmatically "we haven't announced all the tracks yet." Cue Internet speculation in 5, 4, 3…

Dan be trollin'

Some other interesting tidbits:

They started with five cars, going as far as to take them apart to measure the several hundred points of research data, from simple things like weight distribution to measuring inertia on the driveline. Over the years more cars have been quantified, some to a greater degree than others. This has built up a database that provides the starting ground for each of the cars in the game.

Turn 10 doesn't use any data submitted by the manufacturers, who might not be above sending them a ringer. But their system is surprisingly accurate. "Even though we don't have the real numbers, we've actually been able to find errors in cars through this simulation," Greenawalt claims. All this work results in around 9,000 parameters for each car that are used by the game's physics engine to simulate everything from a tiny European hatchback to a Le Mans winning prototype racing car.

For Forza Motorsport 4, the team has thrown away all its previous tire data and started from scratch. Forza Motorsport 3 had data from Toyo, Michelin, Pirelli, and FAE, and it had to be manipulated so that it would all work together, despite being gathered at different testing facilities and with different testing methods. This time the game is built with new data: custom tests from Pirelli across a huge range of variables (tire height, width, compound, temperature, pressure, camber angle, etc) that was imported directly into the game. "That was the only way we say to be as up-to-date as possible. We weren't copying the textbooks of racecar engineers from a couple of years ago but putting in the data that would write the textbooks of the coming years," Greenawalt explains.
 
Demo! I'd be down with just seeing the Autovista thing too ... although I really want a demo. But if it's the day 1 DLC BWM (I think that's what was day 1 DLC correct?) then it would be cool to see what it looks like.

Hype Train boarding again after a quick stop at Complainersville!
 

Duallusion

Member
Only reason I'm looking forward to a possible demo is reading you guys' impressions of it. I won't play it - it's not like it's going to make me cancel my preorder or anything. I'm weird like that but I don't want to "spoil" the experience, come october - I want to savour it. Hyping yourself up for a game is almost as much fun as playing it! Must be, since I've been F5-ing this thread for months now like I'm its bitch.
 
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