Forza Motorsport 4 - The Floodgates Have Opened...

Mascot said:
Wow, has TGS been cancelled? FM4 delayed? I woke up this morning expecting a few new pages of media and reams of excited comments. Is there total apathy in Japan towards FM4?

Edit: Kinect only at TGS? That's a brave decision. And by 'brave', I mean incomprehensible.
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Just MS trying to push Kinect.
 
Sintoid said:
Yesterday I read a rumor about a Forza 4 demo coming today on Marketplace?

Fake?
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AFAIK it was a blurb from some Spanish site, they said that since T10 is at TGS and they released a demo when they were there in '09, they would probably release a demo this time too.

Mascot is the guy to ask if you need translations from Spanish btw.
 
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Just like I said they don't know how to do sunlight properly. That's the problem with the graphics all along.

The trees in the background photo don't match the lighting of the rendered trees close up.

I feel sorry for Turn10 being pushed around by MS though. They were forced to release a game so soon and they are not getting any support here.

Taking some concepts I've learned here is how roads look like when I drive on a mountain on a sunny day like that...



The sunlight should "bleach" the road and cars and everything. People say hey turn down the saturation...well thats what sunlight does because it bleaches colors out.
 
Iknos said:
Just like I said they don't know how to do sunlight properly. That's the problem with the graphics all along.

The trees in the background photo don't match the lighting of the rendered trees close up.

I feel sorry for Turn10 being pushed around by MS though. They were forced to release a game so soon and they are not getting any support here.
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One has nothing to do with another IMO. It is just and only matter of hardware power and 2005 technology to be honest.
 
amar212 said:
One has nothing to do with another IMO. It is just and only matter of hardware power and 2005 technology to be honest.
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Totally disagree it has everything to do with the colors used. Thats it.

Don't you agree that even GT4 looks more realistic than many next gen racers? I have a USB key full of GT4 pics that were my desktop backgrounds for years.
 
Iknos said:
The trees in the background photo don't match the lighting of the rendered trees close up.
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You've never driven above a valley have you? That's probably the most realistic part of the lighting in that screen lmao.
 
Fujimi looks nice :)

So... We can expect something on the Marketplace today according to that comment made on FC.

I'll be nipping home from work if a Demo comes out today.
 
eek5 said:
You've never driven above a valley have you? That's probably the most realistic part of the lighting in that screen lmao.
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he's right though, trees would look perfect...if they were in the shadow. But they aren't
 
Iknos said:
Totally disagree it has everything to do with the colors used. Thats it.

Don't you agree that even GT4 looks more realistic than many next gen racers? I have a USB key full of GT4 pics that were my desktop backgrounds for years.
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I see it and know exatly what you mean for what it's worth, surely a (strange) artistic choice though, they've taken thousands of pictures and visited many locations...they know how it should look.

What I see in Forza games is massive amounts of the same colour used over and over, it differs per track, like someones picked 3 or 4 strong colours and everything else is made up of different tones of it.

There's no variety.
 
drugstore_cowboy said:
What I see in Forza games is massive amounts of the same colour used over and over, it differs per track, like someones picked 3 or 4 strong colours and everything else is made up of different tones of it.

There's no variety.
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Wrong! New York and Positano have great var... oh, wait. Never mind.

;)
 
Mascot said:
What they've done with the Bugatti circuit is amazing (if you are amazed by David Copperfield, that is).
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Ugh, I know. Don't remind me. But I'm still curious to see what they've done with it... there were some severely low-res textures that were visible in the pre-race car zoomy bit. Curious to see if they're still as obvious as before.
 
The lighting has always been off in almost every single screenshot of the game, no surprises there.

But for gods sake Turn 10, show off your damn game!!!

I've seen nothing but Menu screens, the odd photo-mode shot and a trailer or 2.

And to top it all off you spend the entire portion of TGS showing off Kinect shite that 99% of Driving fans don't give a fuck about.
 
CozMick said:
The lighting has always been off in almost every single screenshot of the game, no surprises there.

But for gods sake Turn 10, show off your damn game!!!

I've seen nothing but Menu screens, the odd photo-mode shot and a trailer or 2.

And to top it all off you spend the entire portion of TGS showing off Kinect shite that 99% of Driving fans don't give a fuck about.
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theyre trying to sell the game to a wider audience, the forza/driving fans already know the game, and know what to expect, they want to increase sales to the more casual gamer, its a business afterall, not a racing gamer fan wank service
 
eso76 said:
he's right though, trees would look perfect...if they were in the shadow. But they aren't
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If this part of the track is in the shadow of the mountain, then no, he isn't.

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But seen as the sun comes from behind the mountain here, it should probably cast a shadow on the plain at its feet.
 
lighting has been pretty much spot on for almost every piece of media released so far, with real tracks being the most convincing (not a huge fan of the alps environment in terms of 'realistic look')

Now tsukuba and fujimi, i actually think had a more natural color palette in fm3.
Of course, screenshots might be deceiving.

From the comparison screens, it appears one of fm3 worst offenders (OPAQUE GRAY headlights glass...) has gone.
 
So we've joked and laughed at the lack of media regarding the game but i'm really getting worried here.
Seriously, what could be the reasons for this turn of events all of a sudden?
Why are they taking this approach of secrecy and apprehension towards the game?
Has something gone wrong over there?
This reminds me of how budget games or devs who aren't confident with their product behave.

And where's the community manger in all of this to set the record straight or at least pretend that everything is fine?

What we've seen and heard so far suggests a top notch game so what's the deal Turn 10?
 
saladine1 said:
So we've joked and laughed at the lack of media regarding the game but i'm really getting worried here.
Seriously, what could be the reasons for this turn of events all of a sudden?
Why are they taking this approach of secrecy and apprehension towards the game?
Has something gone wrong over there?
This reminds me of how budget games or devs who aren't confident with their product behave.

And where's the community manger in all of this to set the record straight or at least pretend that everything is fine?

What we've seen and heard so far suggests a top notch game so what's the deal Turn 10?
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Delayed to 2012 to include Amalfi, Spa and Hurst as well as weather, dynamic night and day cycles, and gokarts? I think you guys are simply a bit tense that's all.
 
boris feinbrand said:
If this part of the track is in the shadow of the mountain, then no, he isn't.

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But seen as the sun comes from behind the mountain here, it should probably cast a shadow on the plain at its feet.
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It depends how far away the valley is. I've driven in mountain roads above valleys before and I've seen lighting just like this.
 
boris feinbrand said:
Delayed to 2012 to include Amalfi, Spa and Hurst as well as weather, dynamic night and day cycles, and gokarts? I think you guys are simply a bit tense that's all.
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If that's the case then no problem. Would wait even longer for that.

Sure, we are tense and frustrated but rightly so imo. The longer you wait between reveals and such, the quicker the negativity sets in which is not good for anybody especially in a place like this.
Would just like some closure that's all...
 
eek5 said:
It depends how far away the valley is. I've driven in mountain roads above valleys before and I've seen lighting just like this.
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I live in the mountains, that's why I fail to see anything wrong with the colours here. On an average day (especially at dawn and nightfall) you have the weirdest saturation mixes on different locales. After a rainfall sometimes you see the valley below drenched in sunlight, while your area is still dark as hell.

Iknos said:


The sunlight should "bleach" the road and cars and everything. People say hey turn down the saturation...well thats what sunlight does because it bleaches colors out.
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Look again at where the shadows come from. This part is supposed to be darker than the valley below. It might look strange from this angle, or for people who've never been to the mountains, but it looks about right from the lightning.

saladine1 said:
If that's the case then no problem. Would wait even longer for that.

Sure, we are tense and frustrated but rightly so imo. The longer you wait between reveals and such, the quicker the negativity sets in which is not good for anybody especially in a place like this.
Would just like some closure that's all...
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I understand, and that's why I try to avoid official threads for games that I await as good as possible. The usual dynamics of nerds getting excited about an upcoming game is unhealthy as it only creates surreal expectations (in both the game and marketing flow)

I personally hope they decide to add weather and different light conditions on future DLC tracks. Having that would only increase the challenge and longevity of the game for me. Nothing like trying to survive aqua planing on a mountain road^^
 
I think you guys are reading way too much into the lack of media and info.

I bet we'll be overwhelmed by the amount of SP and MP content and everything in between honestly.

The core of the gameplay got juicier, the lighting got much better, the car porn be it autovista and homespace and new big shot exporting will keep things fresh and track detail got a bump up! And don't forget the engine sound.

I don't think we'll be disappointed except maybe with the tracks available and that's it.


Stay positive and remember that you'll get alot out of this from all angles.

I can't fucking wait.


I'm still as giddy as fuck since the game was announced.
 
Has it been mentioned already in the thread:

This weeks WIR has been cancelled because Dan is at the Euro event. Announced on Facebook earlier.

So everyone looks forward to the WIR, they announce a few hours before it's due that there aint gonna be one and we're expected just to pass it off :(

Direct Vids of some of the already announced tracks please?
 
:lol, there's still a month to go before release, still plenty of time. Everybody relax. If the pacing of information seems a little janky and communication seems nonexistent it's because the community manager is a figment of our imagination and Microsoft don't have a marketing department.

See? It's simple when you break it down.
 
Mascot said:
:lol, there's still a month to go before release, still plenty of time. Everybody relax. If the pacing of information seems a little janky and communication seems nonexistent it's because the community manager is a figment of our imagination and Microsoft don't have a marketing department.
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Nothing personal against Brian but they need to fire that guy lol
 
Mascot said:
:lol, there's still a month to go before release, still plenty of time. Everybody relax. If the pacing of information seems a little janky and communication seems nonexistent it's because the community manager is a figment of our imagination and Microsoft don't have a marketing department.

See? It's simple when you break it down.
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They don't have a community manager. It's as simple as that. They may have a listing on a corporate page and he might be able to put it on his future resume, but he doesn't exist.

I'm over it ... I don't give a shit what they announce at this point. It's been "Oooooooh, just wait ... you'll be excited!" for like a month now. Fuck it. I WANT A DEMO! But I'm not going to get my hopes up for some super secret unannounced feature I would be looking forward to.

I agree with what one said about expectations and ours is pretty high, especially seeing how another game turned out after countless years of production and even more years of producing this type of game.

My only problem right now is if I'll be able to get CSP's before the launch ... damn you car fixes! Damn you to hell! Real car took my fake car money!
 
The lack of information from T10 on TGS is just... laughable, yet I'm not laughing :( I was hoping for SOMETHING news-worthy (demo announcement?), but no.. just tracks we more or less knew already were included.
 
Microsoft's marketing/advertising for Forza is shit. They pimp Halo and Gears and that's about it. Where the hell are FM4 vids on Marketplace even? There's only two - the Announce trailer and E3 2011 trailer.
 
Blimblim said:
Our video is up, the same old track, played with Kinect. Ho yeah, awesome.
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_tgs_forza_4_kinect_gameplay-11908_en.html
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thanks...you did your best :)
bernese alps again and kinect only is a joke.

They appear to have scaled back their TGS presence quite a lot (still waiting for Super GT stuff, drifters love and more...) which is a bit worrying.
But you have to remember we're probably still getting those announcements in video form today.
Garage reveals were put on hold for some special 'reveal', this week we should be getting a look at Laguna (probably during the race held this weekend, as with Road America)

Other than that, the lack of media and informations is really only perceived as such by us forza fanboys in the thread, really, and in comparison with forza 3 launch.
That had a lot more pictures and the odd trailers thrown in, but that was more the exception than the rule.
 
Majanew said:
Microsoft's marketing/advertising for Forza is shit. They pimp Halo and Gears and that's about it. Where the hell are FM4 vids on Marketplace even? There's only two - the Announce trailer and E3 2011 trailer.
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They need to go to the marketing strategy that spawned the leaked trailer. In your face, balls out aggressive marketing strategy.
 
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